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MrMopar's New Dodgers Autograph Thread

mrmopar

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Jan 19, 2010
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Well the weird market has not seemed to cool and now even the scrubbiest of autos seem to be selling way beyond what they are actually worth (like the housing market). Who the F is overpaying for all these cards? I hope you are in it for the flip and you enjoy the collapse when it comes.

I can still sniff out a few bargains here and there, so my buying has not ceased entirely yet. The latest find is a lot of baseball Christmas cards. The exciting part for me was that there are 5 Dodger cards, 4 of which have former GM Fred Claire signatures on them. The last has nobody I recognize, but still cool.

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I also received this Heritage Real One of one time Dodger Gene Hermanski, although for this appearance he represents the Pirates. Sadly, no Heritage set would have featured him as a Dodger and the 54 set was the last option for him as a player. His career came to an end with 41 games in Pittsburgh in 1953. I was not sure if I had it already, but after compiling a list of all the Dodgers (former/future) that were featured in the various years, I flagged his as being one I should look for. He played in Brooklyn from 1943 through part of 1951. His best year was 1948, the only year with Brooklyn that he played in more than 100 games for the team. In 133 games, mostly in RF, he hit .290 with 15 HR and 60 RBI. With a franchise so loaded with future HOFers, can you believe he lead the team in dingers that season?! A young Jackie Robinson was 2nd at 12 and in his first full season, Gil Hodges rounded out the top 3 with 11. Gil would of course become one of the more prolific HR hitters for the franchise.

Gene died in 2010 at the age of 90. Glad to have a certified card of him, even if it is a Pirates card. Hermanski.jpg
 

mrmopar

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Jan 19, 2010
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It's been slow.

I finally got one of these. Still overpaid in my mind, but got it for well below what most have paid already and they are coming back down as I said they would. In fact, I "accidentally" won one for the cheapest price I have seen yet on ebay, under $20. The seller had 98% feedback, so we'll see if I get it. meanwhile, my first copy showed up today. This was a must have though, as I have been catching up with older Heritage issues for a while. I am disturbed that I can't come close to winning a red /72 and a relic/Au /25, when any other year and set, I'd have dupes of both by now for 1/10th of the price people are paying for this stuff!

I just can't stress enough the silliness of the last couple of months though. I fell behind in my tracking of Garvey sales and saw a lot of absolute craziness as i was scouring the ended listings for the past 1.5 months! There are a lot of unknowns paying top dollar for Steve Garvey autographs. Not my usual competition either, new IDs that I don't recognize. Those people are in for a rude awakening if they are not flipping immediately! This odd buying pattern has lead to me pretty much being shutout from many of the new Garvey issues because of my unwillingness to pay inflated prices. I have yet to win a single Tribute auto. I will circle back and get at least one, probably the /199. The freedom from needing to get them all is actually refreshing and is driving me closer and closer to stopping all together.

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mrmopar

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2 more Garvey autos that came FAST! I didn't expect to win these, but I guess I was lucky. The Panini w/ stamp is /25 and the Donruss is /20. I have both cards already, the only negative in the deal as I really should stop buying dupes!!

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mrmopar

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Heritage #2 arrived just fine, so you can't always go by that feedback score thankfully. Prices really seem to be coming down fast, as I predicted. I might be stuck with 3 more of these soon!

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And, the other item today. What is wrong me me? I have a real problem. Bargains to be had and I can't pass it up. I bought ANOTHER Garvey Milestone pin set. I probably have 7-8 of these now. This one was $10 plus $10 s/h. I bid and never got outbid. 10 pins and an autograph, all serial numbered to 1000 copies is still a heck of a deal for $20 delivered. I can't say I won't end up with another one someday either.

I also wonder if they really actually sold/distributed 1000 sets. I found out these were $80 when new, selling out of the Padres gift store. I bet they were not flying off the shelf necessarily. A lot of the set numbers I see are under 300, maybe under 100. Maybe there is a stash of these in some storage unit in San Diego, waiting to flood the market?

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mrmopar

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Today was one of the better mail days I have had in a while. When 2020 wrapped up, and I learned that both Zach McKinstry and Victor Gonzalez would have autographed cards coming out, I figured I'd be 2/3 done with my latest Dodger wantlist. Mookie Betts being the lone holdout. then something practically unexplainable happened and pretty soon people were paying obnoxious prices for everything. Even scrub autos were unaffordable for the most part. Given, the Dodgers were freshly crowed World Champions and all and both of these guys were having RC autos, I expected something of a small premium, but nothing like what I saw. I resigned to the fact that I would have to wait to add anyone new, and wait I have.
Meanwhile, the Dodgers added a few more guys to the roster including Trevor Bauer (I do have a TTM/IP, but would like to get a certified auto at some point), Alex Vesia, Garrett Cleavinger and Mike Kickham. My wantlist doubled and with COMC no longer a viable option for cheap autos, I would have to seek out ebay. I have been whining about this for a bit and it seems one member has taken pity on me. In a extremely huge gesture of generosity, he told me that he pulled a Zach McKinstry auto and wanted to give it to me! His autos have cooled a bit, but some are still topping $100. With Donruss and Topps tribute, the number have watered down the demand a bit, but on a good day he can still sell for $50+. As excited as i was, I suggested that maybe he would rather sell the card and take advantage of the hot market, but he declined. When the card shipped, he mentioned another card would be joining Zach. Perhaps I would enjoy this card even more was his thought!

Today that package arrived from esteemed member @Dazed and inside was a Topps Tribute McKinstry auto /300 and joining him was a Garvey auto from the same set, /99. As I have said in any other year, I probably would have already scooped up /10, /25, /50, /99 and /199 (I think those are all I recall seeing), but in this weird market, I have yet to be able to land a single one. Now keep in mind, I am sticking with my post Covid pricing structure, so I am not forking out whatever it will take to win these new cards and obviously it was not working for me. so, not only did I add a new Dodger to my collection, i also got a Steve Garvey auto I didn't have yet either. On the right day, this pair could have potentially netted @Dazed over $100, but he chose to donate them to my collection. That is an outstanding human and site member there. I am truly appreciative of his gesture and I hope to find something that he can be equally excited about to return the favor someday.

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I also got one of those cheaper" autos from ebay and if you can find someone willing to send PWE, its almost as good as using COMC, without the 4 month wait for shipping! I added a 2nd new Dodger auto to the collection, cutting my want list off by 1/3 with Garrett Cleavinger. Not the sexiest card, but it does the trick until such time as he gets a Dodger card (if that ever happens).

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One last item to mention. I realized that I did not mention it when it arrived, but pulling scans for the recent and future arrivals I expect to feature, I remembered this item. Maybe I skipped showing it because I am unsure of its authenticity. His auto is widely counterfeited. I bid what I figured would be a losing amount and let it ride and ended up winning. This made me even more nervous that it went for less than I expected (assuming real), but perhaps I just got lucky. Or I have a new blemished PC. I am not out much if it does turn out to be real, but frankly aside from opinions, I'll never really know for sure. I don't authenticate any of my stuff anyway. I buy on experience and sometimes gut and it has worked pretty well for me in the past, I believe. I'm sure I have some duds in my collection and I can live with that. here is to hoping this one is the real deal, but wouldn't be surprised if it weren't.

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Thank you again @Dazed. You are the man!
 

mrmopar

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Looks like you may have to add Albert Pujols to your autograph needs list.
I saw that and am pretty happy that I already have his auto! If they were to do a dodger card, I would really want it, but not sure I could muster the stones to pay what it would probably go for. kinda where I stand with Mookie, but to my knowledge, 1 full year in the books and there is no Dodger Mookie auto. There is a change Pujols won't even last the season, so a Dodger auto may not happen.

I've said this before, but someone who doesn't have a certified auto that should is Kenley Jansen. There has to be a back story here. Why else would he not have one???
 

mrmopar

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I watched this one just in case the seller did one of those discount offers, which they did. Its a boring card that i was not keen on paying too much for, despite the surge in garvey auto sales lately. Got it for $20, which is in line for something /25.

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I think I am a little more excited (at least in the moment) for this one, which crosses off yet another new Dodger from the wantlist. Back down to 3!

Mike Kickham is 1-4 lifetime and is a 32 year old pitcher with exactly 1 game (2 IP) logged in with the Dodgers. I don't even see him on the 40 man roster anymore, appears he is in AAA right now. Could end up being his only time with the team, as the Dodgers run through pitchers like crazy each year. Still, for 2 innings he was a Los Angeles Dodger and hence I need his signature.

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abide

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One today, Shawn Green Silver Archives /199. Green gave the Dodgers 5 solid years in the meat of his career, from 2000-2004. During that time he made 1 of 2 career AS game appearances, had 2 seasons of 40+ HR & 100+ RBI and hit 4 HRs in a game. In that 4 HR game, he also had 2 additional hits and went 6 for 6 with 6 runs, 7 RBIs & 19 total bases, setting a major league record. Several other records came from that game & stretch of time centering around the 4 HR game as well. His 200th HR came in that historic game and he ended his career with 328, although not quite HOF material when he was dropped from the ballot in his first year of eligibility after gathering only 2 votes.

The Dodgers got him and Jorge Nunez from the Toronto Blue Jays for Pedro Borbon and Raul Mondesi. It seemed to look like a good trade for both clubs, as both key players had been emerging young stars prior to the trade. The toss-in Nunez never made the majors and Borbon (son of former 1970s Reds pitcher of the same name), who was only in LA for a single season, only lasted 4 more years and bounced around 2 more teams before his last year at the MLB level, in 2093. In fact, the Dodgers signed him again in the winter of that year, but released him by March before the Cardinals picked him up for the season where he was 0-1 in 7 games.

Mondesi was 28 and Green 26 at the time of the trade, but Mondesi kind of fell apart a few seasons after the trade and was out of baseball by the end of 2005. He gave Toronto 2.5 decent seasons before they traded him to the Yankees. He lingered for another 3.5 years, playing for 5 different clubs before being released by the Braves. By 2010, he had become the Mayor of San Cristobal, in the Dominican Republic and served until 2016. Apparently though, he committed fraud and embezzled $6M in public funds and was sentenced to 8 years prison in 2017. Mondesi has 2 sons that played organized ball as well, Raul Jr who never made the majors in the Milwaukee organization and Raul Aldelberto, who is currently on the Royals with 4 years MLB experience under his belt.

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As a guy with a PC of Shawn Green relic cards, and secondarily a few autos, I've got to point out to the ultimate Dodger auto collector, that you fail to mention that Shawn Green continues to hold the Dodgers single season home run record. He hit 49 in 2001, passing Gary Sheffield / Duke Snider 43. There was an expectation that Adrian Beltre might get the record in 2004, but fell short at 48, and Cody Bellinger in 2019 had about 14 home runs by May 1, on his way to 60 [I thought] and the new Dodger record, but then hit the outfield wall making a running catch in early May, and while he did not go on the DL, his power dropped off. He finished the year with 47.

Shawn Green remains on top of the list for most HR in a season for the Dodgers. [It is astounding to me that no Dodger has ever hit 50]

Shawn Green is also #2 on the list for most doubles in a season by a Dodger, 49 in 2003.

Shawn Green is #4 on the list for most total bases in a season, 370, tied with Duke Snider, and behind Babe Herman 417, Adrian Beltre 376 & Duke Snider 378
 

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