Sammy Sosa in the steriod news today.

[George K]

No real surprise. Jon Heyman was talking about him being on the list on WFAN.

New York Times link to Sosa steriod story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/sports/baseball/17doping.html?ref=sports

 

[joey12508]

ny times says he tested positive in 2003 for ped.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/sports/baseball/17doping.html?_r=1

 

[Pine Tar]

NY times says he tested positive in 2003 for PED.

that late man I would have thought back when someone stole 20 k from him and
his posse at a Venezuelan Hotel . Seems someone decided to take Sammy's cash and not give him
his stash. Sammy is a juice head just like most of the guys that play the game.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/fil ... lan_hotel/

 

[George K]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.


TK

 

[G $MONEY$]

Give Roger Maris the HR record back

 

[George K]

Give Roger Maris the HR record back

I kinda agree, but it is too late at this point since the damage is done. Time to move forward.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

There are general official rules that can apply here.

Besides, there can't be explicit rules for everything.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.

TK

 

[Pine Tar]

Back in 1998 when Sammy and Big Mac (oh yeah and Barry too) were smacking the hell out of the ball
Baseball needed something to bring back the fans in droves, and Bud Seal Stick
and his Posse let it go on as along as you and I came out and spent my hard earned cash. Because they
were a bunch of tool bags for letting the work stoppage (strike of 1994) even happen. So why not
just let things be what they were, and get fannies in the sits, since we were not coming out to packed houses yet
because of the the strike.

By the way in 1999 and up to 2003 was the time you saw prices in tickets increase
8-10 percent( or More) a season ( even low market teams raised their tickets).
Ok I know they still raise then every season but back then they were getting you like a crack head needed crack.

I don't feel it was wrong in anyway, I just think they need to name everyone, and move on from here already.

 

[Mozzie22]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.


TK

I think it is a stretch to assume most players were on something for the last 40 years. I agree that many players were probably on steroids the last 10-15 years, and that some players took speed in the 70's, but I don't understand how the numbers jumped from some players used to most players used in the public consciousness the last few years.

Other than Ken Caminiti I haven't heard a single former player say he thinks most players were on the juice. Even Canseco said that it wasn't the majority of MLB...I think.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

General/not enforced rules are meaningless.....if it was seen as a real issue or rule breakage, baseball would have investigated and made explicit rules for it much earlier......that is the whole reason we have a steroid era....

Honestly I blame the owners/trainers/executives/commissioners more than I blame the players. They either didnt care (so obvioulsy not really a rule) or they didnt want to know.

It wasnt just baseball either...look what has now come out about the Olympics, NFL (especially the statements made by the 70's Steelers).....at the time no one cared and no one checked for it.....


TK

There are general official rules that can apply here.

Besides, there can't be explicit rules for everything.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.

TK

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.


TK

I think it is a stretch to assume most players were on something for the last 40 years. I agree that many players were probably on steroids the last 10-15 years, and that some players took speed in the 70's, but I don't understand how the numbers jumped from some players used to most players used in the public consciousness the last few years.

Other than Ken Caminiti I haven't heard a single former player say he thinks most players were on the juice. Even Canseco said that it wasn't the majority of MLB...I think.

Canseco gave the number of 85%........and we probably dont know about who used in the 70's because they had no test...steroid/drug use was rampant in the late 60's and 70's...only safe to assume there was a large number of atheletes in all sports using...

TK

 

[Mozzie22]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.


TK

I think it is a stretch to assume most players were on something for the last 40 years. I agree that many players were probably on steroids the last 10-15 years, and that some players took speed in the 70's, but I don't understand how the numbers jumped from some players used to most players used in the public consciousness the last few years.

Other than Ken Caminiti I haven't heard a single former player say he thinks most players were on the juice. Even Canseco said that it wasn't the majority of MLB...I think.

Canseco gave the number of 85%........and we probably dont know about who used in the 70's because they had no test...steroid/drug use was rampant in the late 60's and 70's...only safe to assume there was a large number of atheletes in all sports using...

TK

I do agree that there was steroid usage in the 70's but not in baseball. There simply isn't enough proof to validate it. I think that 85% seems like a high estimate but Canseco has been right about many things. I think that routine steroid usage began in baseball in the 90's. Prior to the 1990's there wasn't the visual proof that became so prevalent in the last 10-15 years; there were no body changes like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc...the power numbers are also proof positive that the 90's were the beginning.

I think deep down I just don't want to believe that my heroes from the 70-80's were doing it...I guess we'll never know.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Not that I dont agree with a lot of your points, but before we crucify all of these guys, lets not forget that Baseball never viewed steroids as being a problem nor did they test for them until very recently. Also, we must assume that most of the players were using, so really the stats that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc. put up were against other users........

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

I think we all need to come to grasp that there was a steroid era in baseball that probably spanned somewhere from the late 60's/early 70's until probably 2005---safe to assume that between those years most of the players were using something. And before steroids were amphetimines or speed pills....how many of the enshrined were taking those with booze to get an upper for games.......probably more than we want to know.


TK

I think it is a stretch to assume most players were on something for the last 40 years. I agree that many players were probably on steroids the last 10-15 years, and that some players took speed in the 70's, but I don't understand how the numbers jumped from some players used to most players used in the public consciousness the last few years.

Other than Ken Caminiti I haven't heard a single former player say he thinks most players were on the juice. Even Canseco said that it wasn't the majority of MLB...I think.

Canseco gave the number of 85%........and we probably dont know about who used in the 70's because they had no test...steroid/drug use was rampant in the late 60's and 70's...only safe to assume there was a large number of atheletes in all sports using...

TK

I do agree that there was steroid usage in the 70's but not in baseball. There simply isn't enough proof to validate it. I think that 85% seems like a high estimate but Canseco has been right about many things. I think that routine steroid usage began in baseball in the 90's. Prior to the 1990's there wasn't the visual proof that became so prevalent in the last 10-15 years; there were no body changes like Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, etc...the power numbers are also proof positive that the 90's were the beginning.

I think deep down I just don't want to believe that my heroes from the 70-80's were doing it...I guess we'll never know.

I agree I just dont want to know.....but I also would never be shocked to learn guys like Brett, Ripken, Sandberg, Rose, Dave Parker, etc. were not using as well........best to just let it lie and move on now. I dont even want to know the rest of the 100 names...just dont care anymore. I dont think the players that have used that put up numbers like they have should be barred from the hall, because it is obvious that it was an era in baseball......


TK

 

[ballerskrip]

SO....... An anonymous person said that Sosa testd positive. They won't identify themselves, and they don't know the drug.....

And we all take this as FACT now?

MY god, we really are living in the TMZ era aren't we? I bet alot of you read and believe all the tabloids also, right?

What if you went to work tommorow, and you were fired. Because there was an anonymous source that said you were sleeping with your boss' daughter. Is that fair? Why always believe these anonymous sources? You wouldn't like it at your workplace would you?

skrip

 

[Pine Tar]

SO....... An anonymous person said that Sosa testd positive. They won't identify themselves, and they don't know the drug.....

And we all take this as FACT now?

MY god, we really are living in the TMZ era aren't we? I bet alot of you read and believe all the tabloids also, right?

What if you went to work tommorow, and you were fired. Because there was an anonymous source that said you were sleeping with your boss' daughter. Is that fair? Why always believe these anonymous sources? You wouldn't like it at your workplace would you?

skrip

So true but if the bosses daughter looks like this I should be fired

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

To be fair to rational thought...it doesn't take an anonymous source to assume that Sosa took steroids. The guy had the stereotypical build, the stereotypical numbers, and virtually all baseball minds assume he took them.

I could care less about Sosa or steroids...but I'm certain of one thing...those two were good friends.

 

[ballerskrip]

SO....... An anonymous person said that Sosa testd positive. They won't identify themselves, and they don't know the drug.....

And we all take this as FACT now?

MY god, we really are living in the TMZ era aren't we? I bet alot of you read and believe all the tabloids also, right?

What if you went to work tommorow, and you were fired. Because there was an anonymous source that said you were sleeping with your boss' daughter. Is that fair? Why always believe these anonymous sources? You wouldn't like it at your workplace would you?

skrip

So true but if the bosses daughter looks like this I should be fired

ahahahahah
:lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

 

[Exposfan]

Just release all 100+ names so we can get over this and not affect EVERY Hall of Fame class from here to eternity.

Get the names out there so I dont have to hear all this crap AGAIN in a month when someone else who we all suspected of usings PEDS gets thier name released of this list.

 

[HPC]

Real shame about Sosa, but not a surprise. This will kill the mainstream appeal market for his cards for sure now.

Now I don't want to see any of these guys in the Hall. No McGwire, no Sosa, no Palmeiro, no Tejeda, no Clemens, no Bonds. These players gave me a lot of enjoyment over the years, but the integrity of the game should always come first. They knowingly did things they knew they shouldn't have done - I really don't care that the common excuse was that everyone was doing it, that isn't good enough. Real shame about how these men and the era will be remembered, but the game would be better served to not have these people be honored in the Hall. They were fine players, but their era has passed - really time to move on now, I hope.

Also, in many of these South American countries, I would be surprised to hear that steroids are even illegal at all, and probably are even more common than in the states.

TK

Steroids are sold over the counter in the Dominican Republic, but most of them come from European countries such as Greece or Italy.