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Top 10 All-Time in MLB history...FIRST BASE redux
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Gehrig
Foxx
Greenberg
Pujols
McCovey
Murray
Anson
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Here's my top 5...
1 Lou Gehrig
[2164 GP, 179 OPS+, .340 AVG, 493 HR, 1995 RBI - nothing to add here other than he is far and away the greatest 1B to ever play and he won't be topped in my lifetime]
2 Jimmie Foxx
[2317 GP, 163 OPS+, .325 AVG, 534 HR, 1922 RBI - 3 time MVP - twelve consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs - behind Gehrig as the best 1B of his era…no shame in that]
3 Hank Greenberg
[1394 GP, 158 OPS+, .313 AVG, 331 HR, 1276 RBI - only played 9 full seasons - missed 3 full seasons and most of 2 others to WWII and missed most of another season with a broken wrist - when he played, he was the best 1B in baseball - unpopular during his because of his religion]
4 Albert Pujols
[1239 GP, 170 OPS+, .334 AVG, 319 HR, 977 RBI - 8 seasons with 150+ OPS+ in each - 4 more years of "average" production and he's #2 or #3 - would need several 2008's to surpass Gehrig - the best 1B of his era - how he ends will determine where he finishes]
5 Johnny Mize
[1884 GP, 158 OPS+. .312 AVG, 359 HR, 1337 RBI - missed '43, '44, '45 for WWII - only player to strike out fewer than 50 times while hitting 50 HRs - career overlapped with three other greats - unpopular with the media and struggled getting regular playing time toward the end of his career]
...the rest coming.
1 Lou Gehrig
[2164 GP, 179 OPS+, .340 AVG, 493 HR, 1995 RBI - nothing to add here other than he is far and away the greatest 1B to ever play and he won't be topped in my lifetime]
2 Jimmie Foxx
[2317 GP, 163 OPS+, .325 AVG, 534 HR, 1922 RBI - 3 time MVP - twelve consecutive seasons with 30+ home runs - behind Gehrig as the best 1B of his era…no shame in that]
3 Hank Greenberg
[1394 GP, 158 OPS+, .313 AVG, 331 HR, 1276 RBI - only played 9 full seasons - missed 3 full seasons and most of 2 others to WWII and missed most of another season with a broken wrist - when he played, he was the best 1B in baseball - unpopular during his because of his religion]
4 Albert Pujols
[1239 GP, 170 OPS+, .334 AVG, 319 HR, 977 RBI - 8 seasons with 150+ OPS+ in each - 4 more years of "average" production and he's #2 or #3 - would need several 2008's to surpass Gehrig - the best 1B of his era - how he ends will determine where he finishes]
5 Johnny Mize
[1884 GP, 158 OPS+. .312 AVG, 359 HR, 1337 RBI - missed '43, '44, '45 for WWII - only player to strike out fewer than 50 times while hitting 50 HRs - career overlapped with three other greats - unpopular with the media and struggled getting regular playing time toward the end of his career]
...the rest coming.
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McCovey, aka the most underrated/unnoticed Hall Of Famer outside SF.
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crowhop
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Is he much better than Fred McGriff?darocker80 said:
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6 Dan Brouthers
[1673 GP, 170 OPS+, .342 AVG, 106 HR, 1296 RBI - played from 1879-1896 - best hitter of the 19th Century - career SLG% of .519 remained the MLB record for a player with at least 4,000 at bats until Ty Cobb in 1922]
7 Cap Anson
[2523 GP, 141 OPS+, .333 AVG, 97 HR, 2076 RBI - played from 1871-1897 - career leader in Runs from 1894-1924, Hits from 1880-1922, RBI from 1881-1932 - 1st player with 3000+ hits]
8 Frank Thomas
[2322 GP, 156 OPS+, .301 AVG, 521 HR, 1704 RBI - played more career games at 1B (971) than Killebrew, but most of his games were at DH - OPS+ is 15th All-Time among hitters with 6000+ PAs - 2-time MVP was the best hitter in baseball for most of the 1990s]
9 Roger Connor
[1997 GP, 153 OPS+, .317 AVG, 138 HR, 1322 RBI - played from 1880-1897 - All-Time HR King from 1895-1920 - behind Anson and Brouthers for best 1B in the dead-ball era]
10 Eddie Murray
[3026 GP, 128 OPS+, .287 AVG, 504 HR, 1917 RBI - played during a really poor hitters era when OPS was down across the board - was rarely the best 1B in baseball because his height corresponded with Mattingly's & Clark's best seasons - 3000 hits, 500 HR]
...some others coming.
[1673 GP, 170 OPS+, .342 AVG, 106 HR, 1296 RBI - played from 1879-1896 - best hitter of the 19th Century - career SLG% of .519 remained the MLB record for a player with at least 4,000 at bats until Ty Cobb in 1922]
7 Cap Anson
[2523 GP, 141 OPS+, .333 AVG, 97 HR, 2076 RBI - played from 1871-1897 - career leader in Runs from 1894-1924, Hits from 1880-1922, RBI from 1881-1932 - 1st player with 3000+ hits]
8 Frank Thomas
[2322 GP, 156 OPS+, .301 AVG, 521 HR, 1704 RBI - played more career games at 1B (971) than Killebrew, but most of his games were at DH - OPS+ is 15th All-Time among hitters with 6000+ PAs - 2-time MVP was the best hitter in baseball for most of the 1990s]
9 Roger Connor
[1997 GP, 153 OPS+, .317 AVG, 138 HR, 1322 RBI - played from 1880-1897 - All-Time HR King from 1895-1920 - behind Anson and Brouthers for best 1B in the dead-ball era]
10 Eddie Murray
[3026 GP, 128 OPS+, .287 AVG, 504 HR, 1917 RBI - played during a really poor hitters era when OPS was down across the board - was rarely the best 1B in baseball because his height corresponded with Mattingly's & Clark's best seasons - 3000 hits, 500 HR]
...some others coming.
Cobra29svt
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How many games are required at 1b to qualify for a spot? Frank Thomas should easily make the top 10 depending on the # of games required.
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I think he's 8th.Cobra29svt said:
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and some more...
11 Mark McGwire
[1874 GP, 162 OPS+, .263 AVG, 583 HR, 1414 RBI - I know he used, you know he used, but so did practically every other single player who played in the late 90s - heroic 1998 season and was practically everyone's favorite player for a while]
12 Willie McCovey
[2588 GP, 147 OPS+, .270 AVG, 521 HR, 1555 RBI - initially blocked by Orlando Cepeda at 1B - '69 season was the 3rd best by OPS+ for 1B ever - best 1B in MLB from 1965-1970]
13 Harmon Killebrew
[2435 GP, .256 AVG, 573 HR, 1584 RBI - played 969 games at 1B, most of any of his positions, but only played 1B as his primary position (90+ games) 4 seasons: 1961, 1967, 1971, 1972 - was truly elite only 2 of those - would have been a DH in today's game]
14 George Sisler
[2055 GP, 124 OPS+, .340 AVG, 102 HR, 1175 RBI - 257 Hits in 1920 - dead-ball style hitter during the transition, thus dragging down his OPS+]
15 Bill Terry
[1721 GP, 136 OPS+, .341 AVG, 154 HR, 1078 RBI - last NL player to hit .400 - contemporary to Gehrig and Foxx, but not on that level - seems to be a holdover from the dead-ball era with odd spikes in power]
11 Mark McGwire
[1874 GP, 162 OPS+, .263 AVG, 583 HR, 1414 RBI - I know he used, you know he used, but so did practically every other single player who played in the late 90s - heroic 1998 season and was practically everyone's favorite player for a while]
12 Willie McCovey
[2588 GP, 147 OPS+, .270 AVG, 521 HR, 1555 RBI - initially blocked by Orlando Cepeda at 1B - '69 season was the 3rd best by OPS+ for 1B ever - best 1B in MLB from 1965-1970]
13 Harmon Killebrew
[2435 GP, .256 AVG, 573 HR, 1584 RBI - played 969 games at 1B, most of any of his positions, but only played 1B as his primary position (90+ games) 4 seasons: 1961, 1967, 1971, 1972 - was truly elite only 2 of those - would have been a DH in today's game]
14 George Sisler
[2055 GP, 124 OPS+, .340 AVG, 102 HR, 1175 RBI - 257 Hits in 1920 - dead-ball style hitter during the transition, thus dragging down his OPS+]
15 Bill Terry
[1721 GP, 136 OPS+, .341 AVG, 154 HR, 1078 RBI - last NL player to hit .400 - contemporary to Gehrig and Foxx, but not on that level - seems to be a holdover from the dead-ball era with odd spikes in power]
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and the rest...
Will Clark
[1976 GP, 137 OPS+, .303 AVG, 284 HR, 1205 RBI - as a line-drive hitter, he got caught in a bad era - higher OPS+ than a few on the list above him - injuries kept him from fulfilling his potential]
Fred McGriff
[2460 GP, 134 OPS+, .284 AVG, 493 HR, 1550 RBI - last player until 2008 to lead AL in HR with a total less than 40 ('89) - last player to lead NL in HR with a total less than 40 ('92) - had his career started in 1976 instead of 1986, he would be in the HOF - very consistent for a long time - similar career to McCovey]
Norm Cash
[2089 GP, 139 OPS+, .271 AVG, 377 HR, 1103 RBI - higher OPS+ than several above him - same age and retirement year as Kaline and was an equal hitter, but Kaline got an earlier start and got to 3000 Hits to give him the HOF bump - very good player who has never gotten his due]
Orlando Cepeda
[2124 GP, 133 OPS+, .297 AVG, 379 HR, 1365 RBI - traded in prime to make room for McCovey - MVP in '67 for the Cardinals - seems they let just about anyone into the HOF these days]
Rafael Palmeiro
[2831 GP, 132 OPS+, .288 AVG, 569 HR, 1835 RBI - pictured twice in Webster's under "compiler" and "liar" - one of only 4 other people with two such distinctions - was never the best at anything - won Gold Glove in '99 while only playing 28 Games at 1B]
Jeff Bagwell
[2150 GP, 149 OPS+, .297 AVG, 449 HR, 1529 RBI - in retrospect, just a ho-hum kinda guy from the 90s - probably a PED user like everyone else]
Don Mattingly
[1785 GP, 127 OPS+, .307 AVG, 222 HR, 1099 RBI - was the best 1B in baseball for a time - great glove - back problems zapped him of his power and run at 400 HR and HOF]
Jim Thome
[2160 GP, 148 OPS+, .279 AVG, 541 HR, 1488 RBI - see Bagwell except not quite as good a hitter with slightly less suspicion of PED use]
Boog Powell
[2042 GP, 134 OPS+, .266 AVG, 339 HR, 1187 RBI - as good or better than most of the current/recent guys on the list]
Keith Hernandez
[2088 GP, 128 OPS+, .296 AVG, 162 HR, 1071 RBI - great, great glove - good hitter]
Jason Giambi
[1850 GP, 146 OPS+, .286 AVG, 396 HR, 1279 RBI - see Bagwell, Thome - at least he's honest]
Todd Helton
[1661 GP, 141 OPS+, .328 AVG, 310 HR, 1116 RBI - Coors Field wonder - tailing off quickly - see Bagwell, Thome, Giambi, etc]
Ted Kluszewski
[1718 GP, 123 OPS+, .298 AVG, 279 HR, 1028 RBI - 4 stellar seasons and not much else - on the list simply because he shouldn't be forgotten]
Carlos Delgado
[2009 GP, 138 OPS+, .280 AVG, 469 HR, 1489 RBI - PED suspicion - just any other guy from this era]
Mark Grace
[2245 GP, 119 OPS+, .303 AVG, 173 HR, 1146 RBI - Great glove and good hitter - equally likely to have been a PED guy as anyone else on the list (which is sorta the problem with witch-hunts to begin with - invented the Slump Buster]
Gil Hodges
[2071 GP, 120 OPS+, .273 AVG, 370 HR, 1274 RBI - surprisingly not in the HOF considering the others they have allowed in, but still, good player]
Andres Galarraga
[2257 GP, 118 OPS+, .288 AVG, 399 HR, 1425 RBI - good glove early in his career - was effectively through with baseball until Mile High Stadium - helped greatly by his home park and probably PEDs, but still a fan favorite in Coors and Atlanta]
John Kruk
[1200 GP, 133 OPS+, .300 AVG, 100 HR, 592 RBI - one of the more entertaining players to watch and a pretty solid hitter to boot]
Wally Pipp
[1872 GP, 104 OPS+, .281 AVG, 90 HR, 998 RBI - Led league in HR twice and was the first Yankee to do so - scouted and asked Miller Huggins to sign young Lou Gehrig and even helped develop him - I salute you, Wally]
Will Clark
[1976 GP, 137 OPS+, .303 AVG, 284 HR, 1205 RBI - as a line-drive hitter, he got caught in a bad era - higher OPS+ than a few on the list above him - injuries kept him from fulfilling his potential]
Fred McGriff
[2460 GP, 134 OPS+, .284 AVG, 493 HR, 1550 RBI - last player until 2008 to lead AL in HR with a total less than 40 ('89) - last player to lead NL in HR with a total less than 40 ('92) - had his career started in 1976 instead of 1986, he would be in the HOF - very consistent for a long time - similar career to McCovey]
Norm Cash
[2089 GP, 139 OPS+, .271 AVG, 377 HR, 1103 RBI - higher OPS+ than several above him - same age and retirement year as Kaline and was an equal hitter, but Kaline got an earlier start and got to 3000 Hits to give him the HOF bump - very good player who has never gotten his due]
Orlando Cepeda
[2124 GP, 133 OPS+, .297 AVG, 379 HR, 1365 RBI - traded in prime to make room for McCovey - MVP in '67 for the Cardinals - seems they let just about anyone into the HOF these days]
Rafael Palmeiro
[2831 GP, 132 OPS+, .288 AVG, 569 HR, 1835 RBI - pictured twice in Webster's under "compiler" and "liar" - one of only 4 other people with two such distinctions - was never the best at anything - won Gold Glove in '99 while only playing 28 Games at 1B]
Jeff Bagwell
[2150 GP, 149 OPS+, .297 AVG, 449 HR, 1529 RBI - in retrospect, just a ho-hum kinda guy from the 90s - probably a PED user like everyone else]
Don Mattingly
[1785 GP, 127 OPS+, .307 AVG, 222 HR, 1099 RBI - was the best 1B in baseball for a time - great glove - back problems zapped him of his power and run at 400 HR and HOF]
Jim Thome
[2160 GP, 148 OPS+, .279 AVG, 541 HR, 1488 RBI - see Bagwell except not quite as good a hitter with slightly less suspicion of PED use]
Boog Powell
[2042 GP, 134 OPS+, .266 AVG, 339 HR, 1187 RBI - as good or better than most of the current/recent guys on the list]
Keith Hernandez
[2088 GP, 128 OPS+, .296 AVG, 162 HR, 1071 RBI - great, great glove - good hitter]
Jason Giambi
[1850 GP, 146 OPS+, .286 AVG, 396 HR, 1279 RBI - see Bagwell, Thome - at least he's honest]
Todd Helton
[1661 GP, 141 OPS+, .328 AVG, 310 HR, 1116 RBI - Coors Field wonder - tailing off quickly - see Bagwell, Thome, Giambi, etc]
Ted Kluszewski
[1718 GP, 123 OPS+, .298 AVG, 279 HR, 1028 RBI - 4 stellar seasons and not much else - on the list simply because he shouldn't be forgotten]
Carlos Delgado
[2009 GP, 138 OPS+, .280 AVG, 469 HR, 1489 RBI - PED suspicion - just any other guy from this era]
Mark Grace
[2245 GP, 119 OPS+, .303 AVG, 173 HR, 1146 RBI - Great glove and good hitter - equally likely to have been a PED guy as anyone else on the list (which is sorta the problem with witch-hunts to begin with - invented the Slump Buster]
Gil Hodges
[2071 GP, 120 OPS+, .273 AVG, 370 HR, 1274 RBI - surprisingly not in the HOF considering the others they have allowed in, but still, good player]
Andres Galarraga
[2257 GP, 118 OPS+, .288 AVG, 399 HR, 1425 RBI - good glove early in his career - was effectively through with baseball until Mile High Stadium - helped greatly by his home park and probably PEDs, but still a fan favorite in Coors and Atlanta]
John Kruk
[1200 GP, 133 OPS+, .300 AVG, 100 HR, 592 RBI - one of the more entertaining players to watch and a pretty solid hitter to boot]
Wally Pipp
[1872 GP, 104 OPS+, .281 AVG, 90 HR, 998 RBI - Led league in HR twice and was the first Yankee to do so - scouted and asked Miller Huggins to sign young Lou Gehrig and even helped develop him - I salute you, Wally]
