So, does Jeter go First Ballot?

Sig40cal · Sep 27, 2014

Bootstraps9 said:
Napoli started the all star game in 2012. It's a fan vote, and they vote for who they like. Yankees have the largest fan base.

Are you seriously going to tell me that the only reason Jeter is a HOFer and a first ballot one at that is because he played in NYC? Lemme guess Ty Cobb only got in because he stuck around for 22+ years or Gehrig only got in because he played in a couple games in a row.

magicpapa · Sep 28, 2014

Bootstraps9 · Sep 28, 2014

Sig40cal said:
Are you seriously going to tell me that the only reason Jeter is a HOFer and a first ballot one at that is because he played in NYC? Lemme guess Ty Cobb only got in because he stuck around for 22+ years or Gehrig only got in because he played in a couple games in a row.

No. I am saying the only way he is a first ballot is as a Yankee. He'd be a HOFer no matter what.

magicpapa · Sep 28, 2014

maxe0213 · Sep 28, 2014

jbhofmann said:
Lock 1st ballot.

100% ballot? No..writers were never able to crack Jeter and get him to speak candidly about anything. I'm guessing that grudge hold him back percentage wise.

95%.

Perfectly said. He is 100% going to be a first ballot guy. No way on the 100%. Nobody will I don't think.

hive17 · Sep 28, 2014

There's no question he's 1st ballot.

What will be interesting is the percentage. I think it should represent your talent to a large degree. If he gets to 90% even, I can accept that. Yount got 77%, while Ted Williams got 93%. Jeter is closer, statistically, to one of those guys, so you tell me what Jeter's percentage should be.

zach · Sep 28, 2014

Definite 1st ballot, not 100%

Not worth posting an argument why 1st ballot, anyone with some Google skills can research why.

MansGame · Sep 28, 2014

zach said:
Definite 1st ballot, not 100%

Not worth posting an argument why 1st ballot, anyone with some Google skills can research why.

Great post.

RiceLynnEvans75 · Sep 28, 2014

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind anybody being a "1st ballot" HOFer or not? When did this ludicrous aspect of HOF voting even begin to be an issue? A player is a HOFer or he isn't. If it's inevitable he's going to go in, why hold it back anyway? Is there a wing in the HOF for those voted in on the first ballot?

Personally, I think it's just a dumb issue made up by moronic reporters that vote these guys in. Probably pissed they couldn't make it past their JV team in high school.

hrbek14 · Sep 28, 2014

If guys like Cal, Nolan and Rickey weren't unanimous, no way Jeter is.

TNP777 · Sep 28, 2014

Of course he'll go in on his 1st ballot. Silly to think otherwise.

moxacaine · Sep 28, 2014

RiceLynnEvans75 said:
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind anybody being a "1st ballot" HOFer or not? When did this ludicrous aspect of HOF voting even begin to be an issue? A player is a HOFer or he isn't. If it's inevitable he's going to go in, why hold it back anyway? Is there a wing in the HOF for those voted in on the first ballot?

Personally, I think it's just a dumb issue made up by moronic reporters that vote these guys in. Probably pissed they couldn't make it past their JV team in high school.

its so they can make sure they have people for every year so cooperstown doesnt lose a buttload of money if there is no ceremony.

But i completely agree, you are either a HOFer or youre not. Doesnt matter how many years it takes you to get in.

gt2590 · Sep 29, 2014

RiceLynnEvans75 said:
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind anybody being a "1st ballot" HOFer or not? When did this ludicrous aspect of HOF voting even begin to be an issue? A player is a HOFer or he isn't. If it's inevitable he's going to go in, why hold it back anyway? Is there a wing in the HOF for those voted in on the first ballot?

Personally, I think it's just a dumb issue made up by moronic reporters that vote these guys in. Probably pissed they couldn't make it past their JV team in high school.

Personally, the HOF is a Yes/No thing, decided right after retirement.

But the writers consider themselves "guardians of the game", making sure they regulate how it is seen for historical purposes. Think of Robert Duvall's locker room speech to Redford in The Natural and how the player was just a piece but the writer will always "be here".

Some writers have Valid concerns, and even though I dis-agree with their Reasoning, I can see it. Some say that since Ruth, Mantle, Mays, etc. weren't Unanimous, no one should be. Again, I dis-agree. Others are just trying to make a Point. Either personal (like the Delco writer who cost Schmidt a vote 'cuz he didn't like his demeanor) or to "protect" the game for PEDers or those they don't deem worth it.

And to the OP, unless something brutal off-the-field or PED-related happens, Jeter is in on the First Ballot, no question.

u2me57 · Sep 29, 2014

Yes, 1st ballot.

RiceLynnEvans75 · Sep 29, 2014

I can understand valid concerns about a player going in or not (PEDs), but the whole aspect of "well so and so wasn't unanimous or get in on first ballot yada yada yada" just doesn't hold water for me at all. Essentially, the writers are just continuing a poor system of the writers. Not voting on players because the players do/don't deserve to get in, but because of OTHER writers from years past and how they decided to vote for whatever reason.

gt2590 said:
Personally, the HOF is a Yes/No thing, decided right after retirement.

But the writers consider themselves "guardians of the game", making sure they regulate how it is seen for historical purposes. Think of Robert Duvall's locker room speech to Redford in The Natural and how the player was just a piece but the writer will always "be here".

Some writers have Valid concerns, and even though I dis-agree with their Reasoning, I can see it. Some say that since Ruth, Mantle, Mays, etc. weren't Unanimous, no one should be. Again, I dis-agree. Others are just trying to make a Point. Either personal (like the Delco writer who cost Schmidt a vote 'cuz he didn't like his demeanor) or to "protect" the game for PEDers or those they don't deem worth it.

And to the OP, unless something brutal off-the-field or PED-related happens, Jeter is in on the First Ballot, no question.

All The Hype · Sep 29, 2014

Bootstraps9 said:
You're really using his all star appearances? Wasn't he voted into the all star game last year when he never even played!? People vote for that and it has no relevance for anything related to the HOF. Also, he has never been a good defender and won GG's because he didn't make errors. The guy was just above average for a long time. He should not be first ballot.

What part of 6th all time on the hits list is "just above average" in your mind? And to do it as a SS makes it even more impressive doesn't it? Especially with 5 rings. Honestly curious why you don't think that makes him worthy of being an automatic 1st ballot guy.

maxe0213 · Sep 29, 2014

The HOF should change to one year on the ballot. Then maybe the idiot voters would vote in a reasonable way.

Would also probably weed out all of the guys who shouldn't be in the HOF. Its clear. You're either a HOF or not. The whole 15 years or however long players stay on a ballot is stupid. 1 and done.

MansGame · Sep 29, 2014

maxe0213 said:
The HOF should change to one year on the ballot. Then maybe the idiot voters would vote in a reasonable way.

Would also probably weed out all of the guys who shouldn't be in the HOF. Its clear. You're either a HOF or not. The whole 15 years or however long players stay on a ballot is stupid. 1 and done.

I don't disagree at all.

As for the years, I think they lowered the years now... right?

RiceLynnEvans75 · Sep 29, 2014

MansGame said:
I don't disagree at all.

As for the years, I think they lowered the years now... right?

Yes. It's 10 now.

maxe0213 · Sep 30, 2014

RiceLynnEvans75 said:
Yes. It's 10 now.

Correct. I knew they lowered them. Just couldn't rwmeber the number lol. Thanks!

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