Need some opinions from you PRE-War experts

[jpruitt2]

I had someone contact me about selling a small collection of tobacco cards. He is asking $800 for the lot. I know there are a few HOF's here, but not sure what I should expect to pay. Here is the list of what he has:

MITCHELL, CINCINNATI SWEET CAPORAL
MATHEWSON, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
CLANCY, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
LUNDGREN, KANSAS CITY SWEET CAPORAL
TAYLOR, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
KISINGER, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
COLES, AUGUSTA PIEDMONT
BASTIAN, SAN ANTONIO PIEDMONT
MCINTYRE, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
MCQUILLAN, PHILA. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
WILTBE, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
WILSON, PITTSBURG PIEDMONT
GILBERT, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
POLAND, BALTIMORE PIEDMONT
LINDMAN, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
WHITE, BUFFALO PIEDMONT
OLDRING, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
DONLIN, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
ALPERMAN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
STREET, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
DYGERT, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
BELL, BROOKLYN OLD MILL
MOLESWORTH, BIRMINGHAM OLD MILL
CONROY, WASHINGTON SWEET CAPORAL
CRANDALL, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
ATZ, CHICAGO AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
ABBATICOHIO, PITTSBURG SWEET CAPORAL
NICHOLS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
MCGINNITY, NEWARK PIEDMONT
MCGRAW, NEW YORK NAT'L PIEDMONT
WADDELL, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
LAKE, ST.LOUIS AMER. OLD MILL
CAMPBELL, CINCINNATI OLD MILL
STARK, SAN ANTONIO OLD MILL
CAMNITZ, PITTSBURG OLD MILL
O'HARA, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
O'LEARY, DETROIT OLD MILL
ABBOTT, TOLEDO SOVEREIGN
SCHMIDT, DETROIT PIEDMONT
RYAN, ROANOKE PIEDMONT
AMES, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
WESTLAKE, DANVILLE PIEDMONT
SCHMIDT, DETROIT PIEDMONT
HOWELL, ST.LOUIS AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
DOYLE, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
SHAUGHNESSY, ROANOKE PIEDMONT
CHANCE, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
CHANCE, CHICAGO NAT'L OLD MILL
CHASE, N.Y. AMER. PIEDMONT
F.CLARKE, PITTSBURG PIEDMONT
TINKER, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
BOWERMAN, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
STONE, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
MCELVEEN, BROOKLYN AMERICAN BEAUTY
MURPHY, PHILA. AMER. OLD MILL
BURCH, BROOKLYN SWEET CAPORAL
OVERALL, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
BERGEN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
THIELMAN, LOUISVILLE PIEDMONT
O'NEIL, MINNEAPOLIS PIEDMONT
HUNTER, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
PFEFFER, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
MCBRIDE, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
MERKLE, N.Y. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
G.DAVIS, CHICAGO AMER. PIEDMONT
HOFFMAN, PROVIDENCE PIEDMONT
PELTY, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
PHELPS, ST. LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
CAREY, MEMPHIS PIEDMONT
EVANS, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
KIERNAN, COLUMBIA PIEDMONT
HAYDEN, INDIANAPOLIS PIEDMONT
WILTSE, N.Y. NAT'L OLD MILL
DOOLAN, PHILA. NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
BLISS, ST.LOUIS NAT'L SWEET CAPORAL
BECK, BOSTON NAT'L PIEDMONT
FROMME, CINCINNATI SWEET CAPORAL
ANDERSON, PROVIDENCE SWEET CAPORAL
DOUGHERTY, CHICAGO AMER. OLD MILL
PFEISTER, CHICAGO NAT'L OLD MILL
DOUGHERTY, CHICAGO AMER. OLD MILL
LENNOX, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
RUCKER, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
QUINN, N.Y. AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
HUMMEL, BROOKLYN SWEET CAPORAL
CASEY, MONTREAL SWEET CAPORAL
DINEEN, ST.LOUIS AMER. SWEET CAPORAL
SPEAKER, BOSTON AMER. PIEDMONT
OWEN, CHICAGO AMER. PIEDMONT
SWEENEY, N.Y. AMER. OLD MILL
EVERS, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
SHARPE, NEWARK PIEDMONT
MALONEY, ROCHESTER PIEDMONT
******, LYNCHBURG PIEDMONT
MCGINLEY, TORONTO PIEDMONT
KRUGER, COLUMBUS PIEDMONT
BUSH, DETROIT PIEDMONT
DOWNEY, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
GRAY, WASHINGTON PIEDMONT
H.DAVIS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
JONES, ST.LOUIS AMER. PIEDMONT
CRAVATH, MINNEAPOLIS PIEDMONT
GANZEL, ROCHESTER PIEDMONT
MARSHALL, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
THEBO, WACO PIEDMONT
HOWARD, CHICAGO NAT'L PIEDMONT
SID SMITH, ATLANTA PIEDMONT
MCCORMICK, N.Y. NAT'L PIEDMONT
SLAGLE, BALTIMORE PIEDMONT
HOBLITZELL, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
WILHELM, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
BRASHEAR, KANSAS CITY PIEDMONT
HART, LITTLE ROCK PIEDMONT
MULLIN, DETROIT PIEDMONT
NICHOLS, PHILA. AMER. PIEDMONT
DUNN, BROOKLYN PIEDMONT
KILLIAN, DETROIT SWEET CAPORAL
PUTTMAN, LOUISVILLE PIEDMONT
ORTH, LYNCHBURG PIEDMONT
DUBUC, CINCINNATI PIEDMONT
SCHRECK, COLUMBUS PIEDMONT
WARHOP, N.Y. AMER. PIEDMONT
HULSWITT, ST.LOUIS NAT'L PIEDMONT
STOVALL, CLEVELAND PIEDMONT
MCGRAW, N.Y. NAT'L SOVEREIGN
t205tycobb gold border

ty cobb 1939 famous outfider manacer detroit tigers
babe ruth 1915 sporting news
willie mays 1951 bowman
ted williams 1941 playball
ted williams 1954 willision franks
babe ruth 1933 groudley-big league
mickey mantle 1951 bowman
babe ruth 1922 willards choclate

 

[llludda]

I don't pretend to be a vintage expert but imo $800 for that lot would be the steal of the decade. Any one of those 9 bottom cards would pay for the lot. Those are some of the most iconic and well-sought cards of all time. BUY BUY BUY

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

I don't pretend to be a vintage expert but imo $800 for that lot would be the steal of the decade. Any one of those 9 bottom cards would pay for the lot. Those are some of the most iconic and well-sought cards of all time. BUY BUY BUY

Is this the person selling you the lot?

So many reprint/counterfit cards in the lot just by the scans that its not worth it unless you want to show off fake cards to company. Like in the other thread in the baseball forum, its way to good to be true, and all the t206's with the red piedmonts are fakes. Also the HOF rc's and premium cards are some of the most forged cards of all time. Do it if you like, but save yourself 800 bucks and move on. If you want to buy it, and keep the scam alive for future customers, go for it. I'd just pass if I were you though.

 

[Graymouse]

I agree with wolfman. Too many red flags in that lot. I would pass.

Could you scan those bottom cards:

ty cobb 1939 famous outfider manacer detroit tigers
babe ruth 1915 sporting news
willie mays 1951 bowman
ted williams 1941 playball
ted williams 1954 willision franks
babe ruth 1933 groudley-big league
mickey mantle 1951 bowman
babe ruth 1922 willards choclate

Also I recommend you trying over at the Net54 baseball card forums. To get further opinions.

 

[llludda]

Sorry I assumed you had all ready authenticated the lot and were only concerned with price. If a few of them can be authenticated I'd think you'd do well. How well do you know the seller? Does he believe them to be real? Even sold as reprints you might have a few hundo. Condition is obviously a maijor factor as well.

 

[glchen]

I think you need to get some of the big cards authenticated before you agree with the seller. As others have noted, some of them look really bad. I don't see a Willard's Chocolate Ruth, but there is a Babe Ruth Candy Ruth, which looks like a bad reprint. The 33 Goudey Ruth looks very suspicious also. However, it's possible that even if these cards are bad, if some of the other cards are good, it could possibly be worth it. Maybe try to agree with the seller to have the 24 Willard's Chocolate Cobb, T205 Cobb, and E95 Cobb authenticated by PSA, BVG, or SGC. If these cards are good, you're still gold.

 

[fkw]

:lol: if real there would have been $50,000 worth of cards on that table

worthless reprints = worthless

garbage

the pics you show are awful but I can see a few good enough to see they are ALL fake.
the cards I can guarantee 100% are fakes are ...

the T205 Cobb with its cropped image ... "Tigers" should not touch gold border, base on right side is heavily cropped too, etc..
the Wilson Franks Williams should have a solid white background not a cropped image with a new whiter border added.
The R319 Ruth is a common reprint with the image cropped (top of hat and elbow are easiest places to see it).
The Geo Ruth Candy Co card is also a fake the image color and back print is far too sepia and low quality and the caption is the wrong font especially the card number too small.

Both 1951 Bowman cards are missing the last line on the back that should say "1951 Bowman Gum Inc., Phila Pa USA"... this is where the words reprint were before they were removed.

T206s are all fakes, red Piedmonts do not exist same with dark colored (black?) Sweet Caporal, etc. plus the fronts of the T206 cards would never cast a glare like that (fakes are glossy)

All the other cards are well know as reprints, ie the M101-4/5 Thorpe and Ruth, 1941 PlayBall Williams, E95 Cobb, V122 Cobb and Ruth etc

 

[fkw]

PS.

If he tries to tell you they are real.... Tell the guy to turn over the 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #181 card and tell you what's written between the words "GOUDEY GUM CO." and "BOSTON"


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