BiggioBrooks755
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Told you Topps doesnt care about their customers...This really is not a shock at all
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Told you Topps doesnt care about their customers...This really is not a shock at all
Let's clarify what is "The Beast" as it relates to card companies.
The economy whereby a distributor buys direct from a manufacturer and then sells to a card shop or direct to a consumer, the card shop sells it whole or busts for singles (that step is fuzzy) and the collector buys the singles off the secondary market is "The Beast".
Someone buying cards that have changed hands a few times only has a negligible impact on this economic chain in that they may fuel the wallets of collectors to buy products from re-sellers. If any part of that chain were to stall, the industry that supports the hobby would have to find a way out.
A bigger part of the issue is that Topps still thinks that their primary customer is a dad at target with his son and a 9 pocket binder.
Gotta disagree with your Chris.
Topps thinks their primary customer are breakers and have generally left the kids and regular collectors behind.
Just look at the insane amount of truly redundant "one pack products" with $100 and up srp.
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Maybe I would buy from them if I didn't think that their products were all rigged. Why would I buy unopened products when a lot of what is supposed to be inserted isn't even inserted. It's the reason I don't take that risk. Redemptions, holding out cards, releasing stuff from that very product in future, different products. It's a big farce.
And is there really a need to be rude about it. I never claimed to be "noble". It's called discussion. You have a better idea, let's hear it. Sitting on your hands and being snarky to people throwing around ideas seems to be working great.
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The only 'idea' in your OP is terrible.
Just being honest; if you don't like honest discussion, then you're in the wrong place. Suggesting Uncle Sam should get his inefficient hands in someone else's business, business that can do just fine without it and which you claim to not be yours, isn't cool. I don't need you to spend my tax money to protect me from myself.
I don't support Topps in the second best way I know how: any of their products I buy, I do so far enough down the supply chain that he only way they get any money based on my actions is by breakers mistaking my interest in old cards for future interest in current cards. That mistake should be corrected quickly. My cut-off point is 2000 - anything Topps made from 2000 and later, I don't intentionally buy (may get some as part of lots I buy) in any meaningful quantity.
Gotta disagree with your Chris.
Topps thinks their primary customer are breakers and have generally left the kids and regular collectors behind.
Just look at the insane amount of truly redundant "one pack products" with $100 and up srp.
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If one were to buy only secondary market stuff that's old enough to not be very similar to current products (maybe that's pre-2000 or even older), that's not really feeding the beast.
This is blatantly not true. Breakers might seem like they are huge, but the reality is that its a small piece of the puzzle.
Here I'd disagree and I'll tell you why. The kinds of cards sold to the non-breaker types tend to be a wax box here, or a blaster there. Those sales can't(yes I'm going out on a limb here) be eclipsing the sales made to guys bust wax. I want a high end product, I buy a box(and probably get kicked in the gut by doing so). A guy is running a group break or something buys a case. Therefore, he just purchased more boxes in one fell swoop than most "collectors" buy in a year's time. And honestly, Brent and Becca probably account for a good portion of every single release as far as sales go.
I'm not gonna lie, I feed the beast that is this hobby daily. However, I agree with many folks whose sentiments are that's it's almost an inexcusbale gamble for me to personally buy wax. Especially not in the quantity I buy. I'd dang near be wasting my money.
Which is why I disagree with you Chris(albeit respectfully).
I don't agree with that at all. That's bogus. If the product wasn't purchased and opened, I would have nothing to buy and wouldn't. I'm not forcing anyone to open product by buying on the secondary market. They do that of their own free will.
Having worked at a major distributor I can tell you that the number of people who order by the case for personal use is much higher than you would expect. It's seriously a lot of people.
Ok, fair enough. But, what kind of collector does this and keeps it all for their own use? None I've ever heard of. They keep what they need/want and resell the rest to recoup costs. Even the local shop is able to put sets together for me this way. For example, I haven't purchased a box of A&G since 2008 if I recall correctly. I just have them make a base set with sp's and a mini set with all inserts. These guys buying this stuff can't afford to keep it all and wouldn't do so anyways. So in essence, they kind of are the same as a guy on the internet selling slots or a guy who busts for one or two big hits and sells the rest. Although I'm assuming the people you speak of tend to be more master set collectors than anything.