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Name players better than David Wright?
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hofautos said:
By 'after 2001' do you mean started their MLB career after 2001?
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trevordchi
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I don't think there are many better than Wright RIGHT NOW. He is probably in the top 10 position players. That being said, he hasn't done it long enough to prove he is going to last as an elite player for many years to come.
I just looked at his stats and he has 4 good seasons under his belt. The only thing that sticks out though is consistency. Career high of 33 HR at a corner position is not that great and he strikes out an awful lot. But he also walks a lot and has consistently hit over .300.
Let him do it another 4 years before we start putting him up there with the best of the best.
I just looked at his stats and he has 4 good seasons under his belt. The only thing that sticks out though is consistency. Career high of 33 HR at a corner position is not that great and he strikes out an awful lot. But he also walks a lot and has consistently hit over .300.
Let him do it another 4 years before we start putting him up there with the best of the best.
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There aren't many, if any.
trevordchi
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You also have to remember that someone who puts up stats a notch below Wright's but that plays a more premium position (pretty much all of them except LF and 1B) is probably more valuable.
All The Hype
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Hanley is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. He plays a more complete all around game IMO because he adds the element of speed.
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trevordchi said:
Don't forget Wright's glove though. He has won back to back Gold Gloves.
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IMO there is no one in baseball better than Wright who came to the Majors after 2001. Hanley is dynamic, and might prove to be better, but Wright has shown incredible consistency and all-around ability. Sporting News in their Fantasy Baseball 2009 has a nice article on Wright. (As they explain) because no single stat stands out by itself, people don't realize how good he is. That said, he's the only player in baseball to hit .300 with 25 homers, 100 RBI, 95 runs and 15 SB's every year for the last 3 seasons (arbitrary stats) but combined make a tremendous and tremendously consistent ball player.
Wright's defense is also solid, (though I think the consensus amongst those "in the know" is that the gold gloves are not really warranted.)
Wright's defense is also solid, (though I think the consensus amongst those "in the know" is that the gold gloves are not really warranted.)
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Topnotchsy said:
Most gold gloves are won with the bat.
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After looking at baseballreference.com for a few minutes I stumbled upon their list of who the player compares to at age 25. I think it's only fair to include Miguel Cabrera in this discussion
David Wright:
1. Eric Chavez (922)
2. Dick Allen (910)
3. Harlond Clift (908)
4. Del Ennis (898)
5. Bob Horner (898)
6. Scott Rolen (897)
7. Jim Rice (887) *
8. Ron Santo (884)
9. Cal Ripken (880) *
10. Grady Sizemore (877)
Hanley Ramirez:
1. Nomar Garciaparra (921)
2. Brian McCann (921)
3. Robinson Cano (916)
4. Derek Jeter (914)
5. David Wright (911)
6. Tony Lazzeri (905) *
7. Dick Allen (902)
8. Vern Stephens (902)
9. Joe Torre (897)
10. Joe Mauer (894)
Miguel Cabrera
1. Ken Griffey (957)
2. Hank Aaron (931) *
3. Orlando Cepeda (927) *
4. Frank Robinson (920) *
5. Hal Trosky (901)
6. Mickey Mantle (891) *
7. Andruw Jones (888)
8. Al Kaline (887) *
9. Ruben Sierra (879)
10. Albert Pujols (875)
David Wright:
1. Eric Chavez (922)
2. Dick Allen (910)
3. Harlond Clift (908)
4. Del Ennis (898)
5. Bob Horner (898)
6. Scott Rolen (897)
7. Jim Rice (887) *
8. Ron Santo (884)
9. Cal Ripken (880) *
10. Grady Sizemore (877)
Hanley Ramirez:
1. Nomar Garciaparra (921)
2. Brian McCann (921)
3. Robinson Cano (916)
4. Derek Jeter (914)
5. David Wright (911)
6. Tony Lazzeri (905) *
7. Dick Allen (902)
8. Vern Stephens (902)
9. Joe Torre (897)
10. Joe Mauer (894)
Miguel Cabrera
1. Ken Griffey (957)
2. Hank Aaron (931) *
3. Orlando Cepeda (927) *
4. Frank Robinson (920) *
5. Hal Trosky (901)
6. Mickey Mantle (891) *
7. Andruw Jones (888)
8. Al Kaline (887) *
9. Ruben Sierra (879)
10. Albert Pujols (875)
Tomlinson21RB
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Hanley is the only player that's close and I don't know that he's there yet.
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I overlooked Miggy because his RC card is in 2000 (I was thinking of years based on RC card, and I knew Miggy came to majors before Wright.) Miggy is a butcher on defense, but his bat is "all-time" great.rookieaddict said:
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I think Sizemore and Cabrera are better players, but I'm not so sure about Ramirez.
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sportscardtheory said:
Just looked at the same "By age 25" data on Sizemore, he's ridiculously close to Bonds numbers. So in Grady will we see what a steroids free Bonds could have done?
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Utley?
Probably no one though.
Probably no one though.
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I'll take Brian McCann and Tim Lincecum. Both put up great numbers at premium positions.
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Sizemore is one of my favorite players in baseball, (and I believe that he should start seeing increases in his BA based on his increased power and plate discipline, but what makes him better than Wright? Wright has a higher career BA (by a long shot) more homers, doubles. Each were members of the 30/30 club once.sportscardtheory said:
I do believe that Sizemore will offer more in the power/speed areas going forward, but to this point his stats are not as good as Wright's.
Wright: .309/.389/.533
Sizemore .279/.370/.491
rookieaddict-While Sizemore's stats are very similar to Bonds to this point, it was around now that Bonds took his career to an entirely different level. It remains to be seen if Sizemore can do that, but can't be expected (though he's a great player as is.)
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Topnotchsy said:
It's all about where you hit in the lineup. If Sizemore hit in the middle of the lineup like Wright surrounded by the best hitters on the team, I would suspect you would see DRASTIC increases in his average, homerun and run production. He has always hit lead-off for a a team with no one great around him in the lineup.
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