When will Crawford win Gold Glove

Topnotchsy · Aug 17, 2010

According to some metrics he's saved more runs than any fielder at any position on the diamond. I know left field is the easiest outfield position, but the guy is ridiculously good out there.

I'm hoping with the increased focus on defensive stats (you even see articles on ESPN and SI occasionally nowadays) he'll finally win one, one of these years.

sheetskout · Aug 17, 2010

Pretty tough as two of the three are always taken by Torii Hunter and Ichiro. Deservedly so.

leatherman · Aug 17, 2010

Did you see how badly he misplayed that fly ball yesterday? He climbed the wall and was at least 10 feet to the left of where it hit the wall.

Joshua.Roundtree · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman said:
Did you see how badly he misplayed that fly ball yesterday? He climbed the wall and was at least 10 feet to the left of where it hit the wall.

No one on Earth was catching that ball anyways, he just tried to make an effort. What was horrible is that it took BJ Upton five minutes to enter the screen backing the play up.

The defensive metrics used to measure GG have neglected to take into account balls that Crawford gets to that are automatic hits with other LFers. He saves 3 runs per week at least by making outs on plays that are routine hits for other teams. The only thing that keeps Crawford from a GG is his arm IMO, its not Johnny Damon bad, but it's below MLB average.

ThoseBackPages · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman · Aug 17, 2010

Joshua.Roundtree said:
leatherman said:

Did you see how badly he misplayed that fly ball yesterday? He climbed the wall and was at least 10 feet to the left of where it hit the wall.

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No one on Earth was catching that ball anyways, he just tried to make an effort. What was horrible is that it took BJ Upton five minutes to enter the screen backing the play up.

The defensive metrics used to measure GG have neglected to take into account balls that Crawford gets to that are automatic hits with other LFers. He saves 3 runs per week at least by making outs on plays that are routine hits for other teams. The only thing that keeps Crawford from a GG is his arm IMO, its not Johnny Damon bad, but it's below MLB average.

I wasn't making a judgment about his ability based on one play. I just found it funny that this post was made after such a funny play last night.

According to Sean Smith at BaseballProjection.com, Crawford has saved 37 runs over the past three seasons compared to the average player. Crawford's good, but not '3 runs a week' good. No one is that superior to their peers in MLB.

Topnotchsy · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman said:
Joshua.Roundtree said:

leatherman said:

Did you see how badly he misplayed that fly ball yesterday? He climbed the wall and was at least 10 feet to the left of where it hit the wall.

Click to expand...

No one on Earth was catching that ball anyways, he just tried to make an effort. What was horrible is that it took BJ Upton five minutes to enter the screen backing the play up.

The defensive metrics used to measure GG have neglected to take into account balls that Crawford gets to that are automatic hits with other LFers. He saves 3 runs per week at least by making outs on plays that are routine hits for other teams. The only thing that keeps Crawford from a GG is his arm IMO, its not Johnny Damon bad, but it's below MLB average.

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I wasn't making a judgment about his ability based on one play. I just found it funny that this post was made after such a funny play last night.

According to Sean Smith at BaseballProjection.com, Crawford has saved 37 runs over the past three seasons compared to the average player. Crawford's good, but not '3 runs a week' good. No one is that superior to their peers in MLB.

I missed the play, but was just recently reading a couple of article that were discussing his abilities. This season (if I remember correctly) the article said that he saved 19 runs. I think the next outfielder has saved 11 or 12 (I can't remember where I saw the numbers of where to find the info so can't confirm.)

leatherman · Aug 17, 2010

As a comparison, Andruw Jones saved 242 runs in the 10 year span from 1997-2006, including 35 and 36 in 1998 and 1999, respectively. In the 8 full seasons for Crawford, he only has 57 runs.

Bill Mazeroski's best 10 year stretch was 114 runs. Ozzie Smith's best 10 year stretch was 172 runs.

Topnotchsy · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman said:
As a comparison, Andruw Jones saved 242 runs in the 10 year span from 1997-2006, including 35 and 36 in 1998 and 1999, respectively. In the 8 full seasons for Crawford, he only has 57 runs.

Bill Mazeroski's best 10 year stretch was 114 runs. Ozzie Smith's best 10 year stretch was 172 runs.

Guess he won't be winning an award for being the best all-time, but what about this season...

leatherman · Aug 17, 2010

According to BaseballProjection.com, he has just 7 runs this year.

Topnotchsy · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman said:
According to BaseballProjection.com, he has just 7 runs this year.

In this article from ESPN, it brings Ultimate Zone Rating that says he saved 19.1 (as of when it was written.)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

thefasterblade · Aug 17, 2010

He was never considered an above average defensive player so, never.

Topnotchsy · Aug 17, 2010

thefasterblade said:
He was never considered an above average defensive player so, never.

Not sure I follow? By who?

muskiesfan · Aug 17, 2010

I truly am not making this comment to controversial and I know it is going to piss some people off, but honestly, Crawford will win a Gold Glove if he signs with the Yankees. Being superior on defense tends to go out the window if you're popular and wear pinstripes.

bongo870 · Aug 17, 2010

hopefully soon. My cards are waiting LOL

pigskincardboard · Aug 17, 2010

It's always bad news to extrapolate UZR but Crawford's leading the league this year in UZR/150 (just a smidgen behind tony gwynn jr.)

Gold gloves have always bugged me because it's all style and no substance. Not only does style count for a bunch, it's normally 2 or 3 web-gems that'll win you that gold-glove if you're an all-around solid defender otherwise.

The voters should be forced to either look at the data or watch every out, every player in contention, has made.

What's worse is that old-timey baseball coaches actually preach respect of these golden-gloves. Everyone thinks that it's stupid to run on Ichiro, but has anyone actually looked at the numbers? So, you'll end up with runners staying put; it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy.

andyduke86 · Aug 17, 2010

Gold Gloves are meaningless these days and rarely go to the best defensive player at a position. That is why Crawford hasn't got one yet, and because OF awards are generally given to center fielders. He should win it this year though. He doesn't have an above average arm, but that's the only knock on his defense. He covers more ground than anyone with his speed. There's rarely a game where he doesn't catch a ball or two that would drop against almost any other LF in the majors.

According to fangraphs he leads all of MLB in UZR, and by a significant margin
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0

blitzerlover · Aug 17, 2010

leatherman said:
As a comparison, Andruw Jones saved 242 runs in the 10 year span from 1997-2006, including 35 and 36 in 1998 and 1999, respectively. In the 8 full seasons for Crawford, he only has 57 runs.

Bill Mazeroski's best 10 year stretch was 114 runs. Ozzie Smith's best 10 year stretch was 172 runs.

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