Is 2010 the best MLB rookie class of all-time

sportscardtheory · Feb 23, 2011

Is 2010 the best MLB rookie class of all-time?

Hitters (OPS of .700 or better are in bold)

Mike Stanton
Buster Posey
Tyler Colvin
Brooks Conrad
Chris Johnson
Mitch Moreland
Carlos Santana
Neil Walker
Pedro Alvarez
Jason Heyward
Danny Valencia
Gaby Sanchez
Logan Morrison
Ike Davis
Chris Heisey
Jon Jay
Brennan Boesch
Lorenzo Cain
Will Rhymes
Starlin Castro
Ryan Kalish
Ryan Freese
Jose Tabata
Austin Jackson
Kila Ka'aihue
Ian Desmond
Chris Carter
Reid Brignac
Roger Bernadina
Peter Bourjos
Jason Donald
John Jaso
Justin Smoak
Michael Saunders
Josh Thole
Daniel Nava
Rusty Ryal
Angel Sanchez
Alex Avila
Scott Sizemore
Jonathan Lucroy
Michael Brantley
Alcides Escobar
Brett Wallace
Josh Bell
Drew Butera
Jason Castro
Lou Marson
Eric Young Jr.
Adam Moore
Ruben Tejada
Tommy Manzella

Pitchers (5 or more wins, 5 or more saves, 3.00 or better ERA or 1.20 or better WHIP are in bold)

Brian Matusz
Jonathan Niese
Wade Davis
Jaime Garcia
Mitch Talbot
Mike Leake
Jhoulys Chacin
Hisanori Takahashi
Madison Bumgarner
Travis Wood
Jake Arrieta
John Ely
Barry Enright
Dan Hudson
David Pauley
Carlos Monasterios
Luis Atilano
Jonny Venters
Josh Tomlin
Alex Sanabia
Esmil Rogers
Brad Thomas
Neftali Feliz
Stephen Strasburg
Daniel McCutchen
Wilton Lopez
Kanekoa Texeira
Trevor Bell
Ryan Webb
Logan Ondrusek
Raul Valdes
John Axford
Jeanmar Gomez
Casey Coleman
Dusty Hughes
Drew Storen
Andrew Cashner
Brad Lincoln
David Herndon
Sergio Santos

ThoseBackPages · Feb 23, 2011

SamHell · Feb 23, 2011

Hindsight is 20/20 but I doubt the 2010 class comes even close to the 1984 crop of rookies.

Clemens
Gooden
Puckett
Hershiser
Darling
Langston
Gubicza
Pendleton
Samuel
and I'm sure I'm missing others who didn't figure in the ROY voting.

cjedmonton · Feb 23, 2011

I ran a similar post touting 2006 as the best (at least since 2000):

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112805

fkw · Feb 23, 2011

1925

Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Charlie Gehringer
Earle Combs
Chick Hafey
Fred Lindstrom
Red Ruffing
Leo Durocher

10 HOFers and 2 of the top 10 hitters of all time, along with a top 5 pitcher.

All The Hype · Feb 23, 2011

I think it'll eventually go down as one of the best ever, but right now it's way too early to tell. At this point, every single one of these guys could turn out to be a bust.

henchmeister · Feb 23, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
At this point, every single one of these guys could turn out to be a bust.

+1
You figure that at least one of them will turn out to be great, but we can't tell that right now.

autorook · Feb 23, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
I think it'll eventually go down as one of the best ever, but right now it's way too early to tell. At this point, every single one of these guys could turn out to be a bust.

Wasn't the average something like only 10% actually turn out decent and the rest are average?

sportscardtheory · Feb 23, 2011

cjedmonton said:
I ran a similar post touting 2006 as the best (at least since 2000):

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112805

I think you are right. Here is the breakdown of rookie hitters who had an OPS of .750 or higher and rookie pitchers with a WHIP of 1.35 or better (first # is hitters). 2006 blows all the other years out of the water.

2006 - 29 + 32 = 61
2009 - 15 + 32 = 47
2007 - 21 + 22 = 43
2010 - 21 + 19 = 40
2003 - 18 + 19 = 37
2008 - 18 + 15 = 33
2005 - 18 + 14 = 32
2004 - 17 + 15 = 32
2002 - 12 + 15 = 27
2001 - 8 + 15 = 23
2000 - 9 + 9 = 18

vintagerookies51 · Feb 23, 2011

fkw said:
1925

Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Charlie Gehringer
Earle Combs
Chick Hafey
Fred Lindstrom
Red Ruffing
Leo Durocher

10 HOFers and 2 of the top 10 hitters of all time, along with a top 5 pitcher.

This. Or 1951 IMO.
Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Whitey Ford
Joe Garagiola
Jackie Jensen
Gus Bell
Nellie Fox
Sal Maglie

All The Hype · Feb 23, 2011

sportscardtheory said:
cjedmonton said:

I ran a similar post touting 2006 as the best (at least since 2000):

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112805

Click to expand...

I think you are right. Here is the breakdown of rookie hitters who had an OPS of .750 or higher and rookie pitchers with a WHIP of 1.35 or better (first # is hitters). 2006 blows all the other years out of the water.

2006 - 29 + 32 = 61
2009 - 15 + 32 = 47
2007 - 21 + 22 = 43
2010 - 21 + 19 = 40
2003 - 18 + 19 = 37
2008 - 18 + 15 = 33
2005 - 18 + 14 = 32
2004 - 17 + 15 = 32
2002 - 12 + 15 = 27
2001 - 8 + 15 = 23
2000 - 9 + 9 = 18

I think Elite players should be a big factor in this too though..not just simple quantity of players who meet certain OPS and WHIP qualifications. For example, 2001 did not have a large number of guys meet the OPS/WHIP, but IMO it would be one of the better years of the decade simply because of the two first ballot HOFers in that class (Pujols and Ichiro).

I think 2010 has 5 or 10 guys who have a chance to be Elite players like that.

sportscardtheory · Feb 23, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
sportscardtheory said:

cjedmonton said:

I ran a similar post touting 2006 as the best (at least since 2000):

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112805

Click to expand...

I think you are right. Here is the breakdown of rookie hitters who had an OPS of .750 or higher and rookie pitchers with a WHIP of 1.35 or better (first # is hitters). 2006 blows all the other years out of the water.

2006 - 29 + 32 = 61
2009 - 15 + 32 = 47
2007 - 21 + 22 = 43
2010 - 21 + 19 = 40
2003 - 18 + 19 = 37
2008 - 18 + 15 = 33
2005 - 18 + 14 = 32
2004 - 17 + 15 = 32
2002 - 12 + 15 = 27
2001 - 8 + 15 = 23
2000 - 9 + 9 = 18

Click to expand...

I think Elite players should be a big factor in this too though..not just simple quantity of players who meet certain OPS and WHIP qualifications. For example, 2001 did not have a large number of guys meet the OPS/WHIP, but IMO it would be one of the better years of the decade simply because of the two first ballot HOFers in that class (Pujols and Ichiro).

I think 2010 has 5 or 10 guys who have a chance to be Elite players like that.

I just put it out there. 2006 seems to have the largest percentage of "quality rookie seasons" within the last 11 years. I do agree with you on 2010. Many great players who will only get better.

All The Hype · Feb 23, 2011

sportscardtheory said:
ALL_THE_HYPE said:

sportscardtheory said:

cjedmonton said:

I ran a similar post touting 2006 as the best (at least since 2000):

http://freedomcardboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112805

Click to expand...

I think you are right. Here is the breakdown of rookie hitters who had an OPS of .750 or higher and rookie pitchers with a WHIP of 1.35 or better (first # is hitters). 2006 blows all the other years out of the water.

2006 - 29 + 32 = 61
2009 - 15 + 32 = 47
2007 - 21 + 22 = 43
2010 - 21 + 19 = 40
2003 - 18 + 19 = 37
2008 - 18 + 15 = 33
2005 - 18 + 14 = 32
2004 - 17 + 15 = 32
2002 - 12 + 15 = 27
2001 - 8 + 15 = 23
2000 - 9 + 9 = 18

Click to expand...

I think Elite players should be a big factor in this too though..not just simple quantity of players who meet certain OPS and WHIP qualifications. For example, 2001 did not have a large number of guys meet the OPS/WHIP, but IMO it would be one of the better years of the decade simply because of the two first ballot HOFers in that class (Pujols and Ichiro).

I think 2010 has 5 or 10 guys who have a chance to be Elite players like that.

Click to expand...

I just put it out there. 2006 seems to have the largest percentage of "quality rookie seasons" within the last 11 years. I do agree with you on 2010. Many great players who will only get better.

Yeah I'm not arguing with you, it's pretty interesting to see how each class stacks up against the others and this is definitely a good way to look at it. I wonder how many of the 2010 guys will be able to continue their success into 2011. Let's chat in 20 years or so and decide once and for all which class was best :lol:

Wes · Feb 23, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
I think it'll eventually go down as one of the best ever, but right now it's way too early to tell. At this point, every single one of these guys could turn out to be a bust.

The Giants WS trophy says that even if Posey is a below average player for the rest of his career he'll never be considered a bust in this town.

cjedmonton · Feb 23, 2011

You be the judge. Once you get past Ichiro, Pujols, Sabathia, and Oswalt, I don't see how it's even close. 2006 is much deeper at this point in time, IMO.

2001 Rookie Pitching

Other Notables: Jake Westbrook (26)

2006 Rookie Pitching

Other Notables: Chad Billingsley (26), Jon Lester (32), Carlos Marmol (36), Jonathan Broxton (37), Adam Wainwright (38), Jonathan Papelbon (43), Jonathan Sanchez (63)

2001 Rookie Batting

Other Notables: Brandon Inge (25), Aaron Rowand (38)

2006 Rookie Batting

Other Notables: Corey Hart (27), Luke Scott (29), Stephen Drew (30), Kendry Morales (34), Shin-Soo Choo (42), Matt Kemp (43), Nelson Cruz (47)

elmalo · Feb 23, 2011

Way to early to tell.

hawkfandan · Feb 23, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cgbZqR2 ... re=related

chromerookies · Feb 23, 2011

fkw said:
1925

Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Charlie Gehringer
Earle Combs
Chick Hafey
Fred Lindstrom
Red Ruffing
Leo Durocher

10 HOFers and 2 of the top 10 hitters of all time, along with a top 5 pitcher.

you've been thanked for putting this laughable thread to shame!

brouthercard · Feb 23, 2011

How good was 1987?

sportscardtheory · Feb 24, 2011

chromerookies said:
fkw said:

1925

Lou Gehrig
Jimmie Foxx
Lefty Grove
Mickey Cochrane
Charlie Gehringer
Earle Combs
Chick Hafey
Fred Lindstrom
Red Ruffing
Leo Durocher

10 HOFers and 2 of the top 10 hitters of all time, along with a top 5 pitcher.

Click to expand...

you've been thanked for putting this laughable thread to shame!

You must have a very strange sense of humor if you find yes or no questions laughable. :?

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