I believe sellers are costing themselves money ending early

Buynhisellnlow · Mar 18, 2011

There have been recent Gerrit Cole BC Auto auctions where I believe sellers have most likely left money on the table by ending early unless they got a significant premium over what the cards had been selling for. Here are two examples

BGS9.5
[ebay:346bbrf8] 150577665304[/ebay:346bbrf8]

Raw
[ebay:346bbrf8]360351679582[/ebay:346bbrf8]

I had snipes well above what these have gone for in the past and although I don't expect for them to go that high, I was going to let the market/other bidders determine the price. I have every intention of winning the vast majority, if not all of the G. Cole BC Autos that are sold off via regular auction.

I can't help but think that they didn't sell it for as much as they would've gotten for it letting the auctions run. In the case of the 9.5, I know it would've broken $575 by speaking to another Cole buyer and what our snipes were set at.

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

sportscardtheory · Mar 18, 2011

I use snipes, but this is part of the problem with them. Sellers don't know if their item will get a fair price because all the bids either come in at the last moment or don't, so they end early to cover themselves in case the bids don't come in for some reason.

bear0555 · Mar 18, 2011

My opinion is that sellers are sick of letting ebay take so much from them. And with more fee increases recently announced, I know I'm not the only seller who gets a thrill out of ending cards early. Honestly, I wouldn't mind leaving some money on the table to stick the middle finger to ebay but definitely not the amount these sellers appear to have left. And if anything I need for my pc gets listed, especially if I've waited years for it, I'll always ask the seller to end early to me or let it run.

hail2thevictors · Mar 18, 2011

Buynhisellnlow said:
There have been recent Gerrit Cole BC Auto auctions where I believe sellers have most likely left money on the table by ending early unless they got a significant premium over what the cards had been selling for. Here are two examples

BGS9.5
[ebay:2nzarivx] 150577665304[/ebay:2nzarivx]

Raw
[ebay:2nzarivx]360351679582[/ebay:2nzarivx]

I had snipes well above what these have gone for in the past and although I don't expect for them to go that high, I was going to let the market/other bidders determine the price. I have every intention of winning the vast majority, if not all of the G. Cole BC Autos that are sold off via regular auction.

I can't help but think that they didn't sell it for as much as they would've gotten for it letting the auctions run. In the case of the 9.5, I know it would've broken $575 by speaking to another Cole buyer and what our snipes were set at.

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

I was buying Cole, and still am buying a few of his cards now-but $575 for that BGS 9.5 wrapper redemption auto is just silly.

Kevbo · Mar 18, 2011

Start asking sellers if they would be interested in ending early.
If they are, try to get it.
If they won't end early, rest easy and snipe.

ChasHawk · Mar 18, 2011

Kevbo said:
Start asking sellers if they would be interested in ending early.
If they are, try to get it.
If they won't end early, rest easy and snipe.

qft

mburgin · Mar 18, 2011

Buynhisellnlow said:
There have been recent Gerrit Cole BC Auto auctions where I believe sellers have most likely left money on the table by ending early unless they got a significant premium over what the cards had been selling for. Here are two examples

BGS9.5
[ebay:3i7z4a11] 150577665304[/ebay:3i7z4a11]

Raw
[ebay:3i7z4a11]360351679582[/ebay:3i7z4a11]

I had snipes well above what these have gone for in the past and although I don't expect for them to go that high, I was going to let the market/other bidders determine the price. I have every intention of winning the vast majority, if not all of the G. Cole BC Autos that are sold off via regular auction.

I can't help but think that they didn't sell it for as much as they would've gotten for it letting the auctions run. In the case of the 9.5, I know it would've broken $575 by speaking to another Cole buyer and what our snipes were set at.

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

i agree with out on this one.

on another note, i just noticed your user name and believe you bought a chisenhall blue ref and xfractor from me. it thats you, the cards shipped out this morning.

MichaelStanton2010 · Mar 19, 2011

Really it is a nice strategy....on whoever is buying these(Cole Chrome Autos)! They are bout to EXPLODE! :lol: Too bad it is not me

MichaelStanton2010 · Mar 19, 2011

I forgot to respond to the thread, LOL...yea whoever is selling and ending these early is most likely leaving money on the table(depending on what they are paying)....these are a hot comodity and with very few in production(and considering it is a redemption and the full print run will most certainly not make it into circulation) these are going to see a MONSTER spike in the next few weeks! Cole is on FIRE right now, and will be leading into the draft. I am going go out a limb and to say these will be #1 on next week hotlist if we can see what the next one sells for(online) on ebay!

Buynhisellnlow said:
There have been recent Gerrit Cole BC Auto auctions where I believe sellers have most likely left money on the table by ending early unless they got a significant premium over what the cards had been selling for. Here are two examples

BGS9.5
[ebay:qqubvyl6] 150577665304[/ebay:qqubvyl6]

Raw
[ebay:qqubvyl6]360351679582[/ebay:qqubvyl6]

I had snipes well above what these have gone for in the past and although I don't expect for them to go that high, I was going to let the market/other bidders determine the price. I have every intention of winning the vast majority, if not all of the G. Cole BC Autos that are sold off via regular auction.

I can't help but think that they didn't sell it for as much as they would've gotten for it letting the auctions run. In the case of the 9.5, I know it would've broken $575 by speaking to another Cole buyer and what our snipes were set at.

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

Crewfan82 · Mar 19, 2011

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

This is the dumbest comment I have ever read. I understand it might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but the fact you won't bid on their auctions ever again makes no sense. The Cole stuff you linked all were ended with no bids on the .99 opening price. It's not like the seller ended on the last day when plenty of bids were already commited.

Also, who is to say the guy didn't end early to accept a deal for $575 on the Cole BGS 9.5 with no fees.

I personally have bought and sold a lot of items that were listed on Ebay outisde of Ebay recently. If the buyer and seller can agree it is a smart business move for both.

nosterbor · Mar 19, 2011

i ask sellers all the time to end auctions,and make them an offer. i have success only about 20% of the time. 80% say they do not end auctions early! then i snipe for what i offered them. 90% of the those wins i get the card for much much less then the offer i give them. here is a very good case in point. this auction i offered the seller $10 shipped. he said ok but never responded with his paypal address. GOOD FOR ME.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... AQ:US:1123

JEA2880 · Mar 19, 2011

bear0555 said:
My opinion is that sellers are sick of letting ebay take so much from them. And with more fee increases recently announced, I know I'm not the only seller who gets a thrill out of ending cards early. Honestly, I wouldn't mind leaving some money on the table to stick the middle finger to ebay but definitely not the amount these sellers appear to have left. And if anything I need for my pc gets listed, especially if I've waited years for it, I'll always ask the seller to end early to me or let it run.

Well said, couldn't have said it any better.

Buynhisellnlow · Mar 19, 2011

Crewfan82 said:
It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

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This is the dumbest comment I have ever read. I understand it might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but the fact you won't bid on their auctions ever again makes no sense. The Cole stuff you linked all were ended with no bids on the .99 opening price. It's not like the seller ended on the last day when plenty of bids were already commited.

Also, who is to say the guy didn't end early to accept a deal for $575 on the Cole BGS 9.5 with no fees.

I personally have bought and sold a lot of items that were listed on Ebay outisde of Ebay recently. If the buyer and seller can agree it is a smart business move for both.

There were bids, myself and others had bid on both of them. What do you believe is the difference between when the auction is ended and the correlation to whether that is ethical behavior on the seller's part? You saying "It's not like the seller ended on the last day when plenty of bids were already committed", seems to indicate you don't believe that would be right but that ending it sooner may be? What is the distinction and at what point is that line crossed from "ok" to "not ok"?

Crewfan82 · Mar 20, 2011

Buynhisellnlow said:
Crewfan82 said:

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

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This is the dumbest comment I have ever read. I understand it might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but the fact you won't bid on their auctions ever again makes no sense. The Cole stuff you linked all were ended with no bids on the .99 opening price. It's not like the seller ended on the last day when plenty of bids were already commited.

Also, who is to say the guy didn't end early to accept a deal for $575 on the Cole BGS 9.5 with no fees.

I personally have bought and sold a lot of items that were listed on Ebay outisde of Ebay recently. If the buyer and seller can agree it is a smart business move for both.

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There were bids, myself and others had bid on both of them. What do you believe is the difference between when the auction is ended and the correlation to whether that is ethical behavior on the seller's part? You saying "It's not like the seller ended on the last day when plenty of bids were already committed", seems to indicate you don't believe that would be right but that ending it sooner may be? What is the distinction and at what point is that line crossed from "ok" to "not ok"?

I think if you have no action on an item and it is ended 2 days from auction end that is okay. You can't blame a seller if they are endng auctions early. Does it suckasa buyer, absolutely, but that is the risk we take by sniping.

uniquebaseballcards · Mar 20, 2011

Buynhisellnlow said:
It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

Buyers who plan and budget their purchases ahead of time should be upset at this.

The money that a buyer was planning to use for the auction that wound up being canceled could have been used to place a higher bid for an older auction the bidder wound up losing.

nosterbor · Mar 20, 2011

uniquebaseballcards said:
Buynhisellnlow said:

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

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Buyers who plan and budget their purchases ahead of time should be upset at this.

The money that a buyer was planning to use for the auction that wound up being canceled could have been used to place a higher bid for an older auction the bidder wound up losing.

Why? if you snipe a card for $20 and the auction is ended early. why would you be upset? how do you know what the card sold for? i have ran into this with Juan collectrors. they ask " ok who bought the card? " i say i did! then i tell the complainer i know for a fact that they would NEVER pay what i did for the card anyway! soooo whats the big deal. i am the type of person that when i want something i want it NOW! have you ever went to buy something and were told it is not in stock? we will have one in 6 days. i say see ya! go to the next store and get one. i do not like to wait for anything when i know it is out there. and for anyone who gets a seller to end an auction early, KUDOS to them.

uniquebaseballcards · Mar 20, 2011

nosterbor said:
uniquebaseballcards said:

Buynhisellnlow said:

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

Click to expand...

Buyers who plan and budget their purchases ahead of time should be upset at this.

The money that a buyer was planning to use for the auction that wound up being canceled could have been used to place a higher bid for an older auction the bidder wound up losing.

Click to expand...

Why? if you snipe a card for $20 and the auction is ended early. why would you be upset? how do you know what the card sold for? i have ran into this with Juan collectrors. they ask " ok who bought the card? " i say i did! then i tell the complainer i know for a fact that they would NEVER pay what i did for the card anyway! soooo whats the big deal. i am the type of person that when i want something i want it NOW! have you ever went to buy something and were told it is not in stock? we will have one in 6 days. i say see ya! go to the next store and get one. i do not like to wait for anything when i know it is out there. and for anyone who gets a seller to end an auction early, KUDOS to them.

Your point of view requires one to assume the person missing out to always assume they were going to lose the auction to begin with.

If someone had this point of view going in they'd never be upset about anything, there'd be no reason to bid at auction and there'd be no need for this discussion!

nosterbor · Mar 20, 2011

uniquebaseballcards said:
nosterbor said:

uniquebaseballcards said:

Buynhisellnlow said:

It does leave a bad taste in my mouth though when sellers end early and sell off of Ebay on auction style listings, often I won't bid on their auctions again even if they have something I really want. Anyone else feel this way?

Click to expand...

Buyers who plan and budget their purchases ahead of time should be upset at this.

The money that a buyer was planning to use for the auction that wound up being canceled could have been used to place a higher bid for an older auction the bidder wound up losing.

Click to expand...

Why? if you snipe a card for $20 and the auction is ended early. why would you be upset? how do you know what the card sold for? i have ran into this with Juan collectrors. they ask " ok who bought the card? " i say i did! then i tell the complainer i know for a fact that they would NEVER pay what i did for the card anyway! soooo whats the big deal. i am the type of person that when i want something i want it NOW! have you ever went to buy something and were told it is not in stock? we will have one in 6 days. i say see ya! go to the next store and get one. i do not like to wait for anything when i know it is out there. and for anyone who gets a seller to end an auction early, KUDOS to them.

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Your point of view requires one to assume they were always going to lose the auction to begin with.

If someone had this point of view going in they'd never be upset about anything, there'd be no reason to bid at auction and there'd be no need for this discussion!

if you would assume that ONE would win an auction for what ONE's snipe is at, then ONE should offer the seller that $'s .what does ONE have to loose? if he states he does not end auctions early,then fine. that would take ONE's assumption out of it.

uniquebaseballcards · Mar 20, 2011

nosterbor said:
if you would assume that ONE would win an auction for what ONE's snipe is at, then ONE should offer the seller that $'s .what does ONE have to loose? if he states he does not end auctions early,then fine. that would take ONE's assumption out of it.

Sure - but while people's snipes can be thought as being the most they'd be willing to pay for a card it doesn't necessarily mean they'd be willing to be the ONLY person paying that much for a card. Although you apparently don't mind overpaying for a card which is fine, most other people *do* mind overpaying for a card.

nosterbor · Mar 20, 2011

uniquebaseballcards said:
nosterbor said:

if you would assume that ONE would win an auction for what ONE's snipe is at, then ONE should offer the seller that $'s .what does ONE have to loose? if he states he does not end auctions early,then fine. that would take ONE's assumption out of it.

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Sure - but while people's snipes can be thought as being the most they'd be willing to pay for a card it doesn't necessarily mean they'd be willing to be the ONLY person paying that much for a card. Although you apparently don't mind overpaying for a card which is fine, most other people *do* mind overpaying for a card.

" Sure - but while people's snipes can be thought as being the most they'd be willing to pay for a card it doesn't necessarily mean they'd be willing to be the ONLY person paying that much for a card. "

that is one of the best oxymoron's i have ever read.

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