Anyone know bigboydsportscards3 on eBay? SHILL alert?

[sportscardtheory]

You have a very closed mind and obviously don't gather information and do research before making assumptions. I've given you plenty of facts to all the information you said above, I assume you have just ignored them all. I don't think swagcards cares at all about Albert Belle.. BTW, I would have paid more than $97 for the other Belle 1/1.. Never saw it. I don't have time to bid as much as I used to on items. I'll state it one more time, if you feel bid activity = shill bidding, then you = fool. It's a basic equation. I would love to discuss this on the phone with you and have an honest civil conversation, feel free to call me. BTW, there is a millions time better chance that Albert Belle took steroids than of us ever shill bidding an item.

Ohhhh, snap! No you DIIIin't!!!

 

[MansGame]

You have a very closed mind and obviously don't gather information and do research before making assumptions. I've given you plenty of facts to all the information you said above, I assume you have just ignored them all. I don't think swagcards cares at all about Albert Belle.. BTW, I would have paid more than $97 for the other Belle 1/1.. Never saw it. I don't have time to bid as much as I used to on items. I'll state it one more time, if you feel bid activity = shill bidding, then you = fool. It's a basic equation. I would love to discuss this on the phone with you and have an honest civil conversation, feel free to call me. BTW, there is a millions time better chance that Albert Belle took steroids than of us ever shill bidding an item.

You're right. So many people have to be wrong, misinformed, assuming too much, fools, not doing their research, lied too or lying, etc.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I smell smoke. Where's the fire?

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

You're right. So many people have to be wrong, misinformed, assuming too much, fools, not doing their research, lied too or lying, etc.

Provide one piece of solid proof that we have ever shill bid an auction. If it was happening in the volume that is implied, it should be very simple to prove yet no one ever has because it does not happen.

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

I smell smoke. Where's the fire?

Apparently there is always going to be smoke, yet there will never be a fire.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Provide one piece of solid proof that we have ever shill bid an auction. If it was happening in the volume that is implied, it should be very simple to prove yet no one ever has because it does not happen.

Of course we can't prove it, because the bids are not coming from YOUR accounts. I have a friend who is on eBay too. Do you have any idea how easy it would be for me to simply ask him to put bids on all my items at auction? That is still shill bidding, with him being the shill, but eBay and buyers would not be able to "prove" it.

 

[MansGame]

All those excuses and I personally know someone offered to get in on this bidding/shilling ring a year or 2 ago. You bid on their items (with one of the bunch of new ids you guys made) and in return they do the same its quite simple. Hows Wolverine doing these days? Still ripping people off? What ID are they using now?

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[bigboydsportscards3]

Of course we can't prove it, because the bids are not coming from YOUR accounts. I have a friend who is on eBay too. Do you have any idea how easy it would be for me to simply ask him to put bids on all my items at auction? That is still shill bidding, with him being the shill, but eBay and buyers would not be able to "prove" it.

So according to you this is what is occurring..

- We are having multiple bidders bid on many items to drive up the price.
- When the users win items they pay for the items.
- After the users pay, we ship them the items.
- The users come back and bid on more items and repeat.

Or do you think we just cancel every auction they win and throw it in a box somewhere? I don't understand your theory. It is flawed. There would be proof. You could prove it by watching to see what these ebay IDs with high activity are bidding on. You track anything they win because if a shill account wins an item the item will obviously have to be sold again by someone correct? If we shill bid so many items, don't you think there would be a few obvious instances of this? Do you think we just cancel these transactions and lose hundreds of thousands of dollars that our good customers spend with us each year? I don't understand your logic. If it was happening, it would be simple to prove.

 

[metallicalex777]

[h=2]Auctions[/h]Shills, or "potted plants", are sometimes employed in auctions. Driving prices up with phony bids, they seek to provoke a bidding war among other participants. Often they are told by the seller precisely how high to bid, as the seller actually pays the price (to himself, of course) if the item does not sell, losing only the auction fees. Shilling has a substantially higher rate of occurrence in online auctions, where any user with multiple accounts can bid on their own items. Many online auction sites employ sophisticated (and usually secret) methods to detect collusion. The online auction site eBay forbids shilling; its rules do not allow friends or employees of a person selling an item to bid on the item. [SUP][6]

[h=2]Collusion[/h]Collusion is an agreement between two or more persons, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] It is an agreement among firms to divide the market, set prices, or limit production.[SUP][1][/SUP] It can involve "wage fixing, kickbacks, or misrepresenting the independence of the relationship between the colluding parties".[SUP][2][/SUP] In legal terms, all acts affected by collusion are considered void.[SUP][3][/SUP][/SUP]

 

[metallicalex777]

The perception is: Your ending prices on sold items are, in comparison, drastically higher than same/similar auctions sold by other sellers. Please give a fair example of your ending price being normal with a popular card IE Derek Jeter, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr., Felix Hernandez (I have stayed away from those), etc. The examples you have given so far have been auctions of lesser names that do not have current "popularity" driving these higher prices in comparison.

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

All those excuses and I personally know someone offered to get in on this bidding/shilling ring a year or 2 ago. You bid on their items (with one of the bunch of new ids you guys made) and in return they do the same its quite simple. Hows Wolverine doing these days? Still ripping people off? What ID are they using now?

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Obviously you are not reading this entire thread as I already addressed this. I challenge this person to say who they are referring to, as this simply did not and does not happen. How did they offer "to get on this"? I'm guessing there is some sort of proof somewhere through an email or something. I don't go to shows, so it wasn't in person. If any proof is shown, I will donate $5,000 each to you and mansgame's favorite charity. Like I said, either nyc3 is lying or his friend is lying.

 

[RZimm11]

I snipe all my auctions, and I only put what I'm willing to bid, so the shilling I'll leave to the detectives on here, who seem to be generally pretty good at spotting that kind of thing.

But since this guy is here answering questions, I'll ask about my problem with his auctions.

How did you get, and and continue to list, so many of the unnumbered, backdoored Bowman Sterlings from 2005 and 2006? The ones that are on ebay and still in the uncirculated cases are numbered, as they were put out. Yet you have over 200 different loose gold/black/refs that are unnumbered. You say that "Beckett states only XX copies produced" yet the legit ones still in cases are, in fact, numbered.

And before you tell me that you didn't know, I know for a fact that you've had legit ones in the past of various players. When I was big into collecting Zimmerman, I'd always come across yours. I've seen how your descriptions used to be, and how they are now.

Legit 2006 Black Ref #08/25
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Bowman...ultDomain_0&hash=item27ab01a4c0#ht_500wt_1180

Your 2006 Black Ref listing, in which you state: "BECKETT STATES ONLY 25 COPIES PRODUCED, CARD IS NOT SERIAL NUMBERED"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUCK-JAMES...US_Baseball&hash=item35a368eeef#ht_556wt_1163

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

The perception is: Your ending prices on sold items are, in comparison, drastically higher than same/similar auctions sold by other sellers. Please give a fair example of your ending price being normal with a popular card IE Derek Jeter, Albert Pujols, Ken Griffey Jr., Felix Hernandez (I have stayed away from those), etc. The examples you have given so far have been auctions of lesser names that do not have current "popularity" driving these higher prices in comparison.

I don't really understand what this has to do with anything. Our items sell for more because of the following we have and our high feedback. I'm guessing many people bid on our items to get shipping discounts and bid on items they normally wouldn't, but to give you a couple quick examples. We sold 251044594754 ($167), two previous sold were 230781641796 ($160) and 310393364424 ($166). We also sold 251043383045 ($227), three previous sold were 380430487961 ($230), 140738806945 ($235) and 260987990049 ($399). I could do this all day, but I don't really see in the point in it.

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

I snipe all my auctions, and I only put what I'm willing to bid, so the shilling I'll leave to the detectives on here, who seem to be generally pretty good at spotting that kind of thing.

But since this guy is here answering questions, I'll ask about my problem with his auctions.

How did you get, and and continue to list, so many of the unnumbered, backdoored Bowman Sterlings from 2005 and 2006? The ones that are on ebay and still in the uncirculated cases are numbered, as they were put out. Yet you have over 200 different loose gold/black/refs that are unnumbered. You say that "Beckett states only XX copies produced" yet the legit ones still in cases are, in fact, numbered.

And before you tell me that you didn't know, I know for a fact that you've had legit ones in the past of various players. When I was big into collecting Zimmerman, I'd always come across yours. I've seen how your descriptions used to be, and how they are now.

Legit 2006 Black Ref #08/25
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Bowman-Sterling-BEN-ZOBRIST-Black-Refractor-/170372736192?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ab01a4c0#ht_500wt_1180

Your 2006 Black Ref listing, in which you state: "BECKETT STATES ONLY 25 COPIES PRODUCED, CARD IS NOT SERIAL NUMBERED"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUCK-JAMES-2006-STERLING-RC-BLACK-REFRACTOR-25-60-/230374829807?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35a368eeef#ht_556wt_1163

We never had any from 2005. We have them from 2006. We purchased them all at the same time. When we contacted Topps about it, they said they were replacement cards that were made by Topps. How exactly they got into circulation, I don't know. That is a question for Topps that they would not answer. The cards are 100% real and we at one time had many graded by Beckett.

 

[WaxPax]

Bazinga

I snipe all my auctions, and I only put what I'm willing to bid, so the shilling I'll leave to the detectives on here, who seem to be generally pretty good at spotting that kind of thing.

But since this guy is here answering questions, I'll ask about my problem with his auctions.

How did you get, and and continue to list, so many of the unnumbered, backdoored Bowman Sterlings from 2005 and 2006? The ones that are on ebay and still in the uncirculated cases are numbered, as they were put out. Yet you have over 200 different loose gold/black/refs that are unnumbered. You say that "Beckett states only XX copies produced" yet the legit ones still in cases are, in fact, numbered.

And before you tell me that you didn't know, I know for a fact that you've had legit ones in the past of various players. When I was big into collecting Zimmerman, I'd always come across yours. I've seen how your descriptions used to be, and how they are now.

Legit 2006 Black Ref #08/25
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Bowman-Sterling-BEN-ZOBRIST-Black-Refractor-/170372736192?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ab01a4c0#ht_500wt_1180

Your 2006 Black Ref listing, in which you state: "BECKETT STATES ONLY 25 COPIES PRODUCED, CARD IS NOT SERIAL NUMBERED"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUCK-JAMES-2006-STERLING-RC-BLACK-REFRACTOR-25-60-/230374829807?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35a368eeef#ht_556wt_1163

 

[sportscardtheory]

I love how we are supposed to believe anything the guy deceptively selling 2001 Bowman Chrome Albert Pujols reprints to unsuspecting buyers says.

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

I love how we are supposed to believe anything the guy deceptively selling 2001 Bowman Chrome Albert Pujols reprints to unsuspecting buyers says.

So you think people think they are buying original copies of this card for the prices they are? States it is a 2011 card, in description clearly states reprint and facsimile auto. I can't recall any issues we have had with anyone buying this card, we have had no complaints from any buyers. I show facts that should be easily believed, show me facts of shill bidding please.

 

[MadHandle11]

People bid 100-500% more than the going rates for your cards so they can get a shipping discount? Give me a break...

 

[sportscardtheory]

So you think people think they are buying original copies of this card for the prices they are? States it is a 2011 card, in description clearly states reprint and facsimile auto. I can't recall any issues we have had with anyone buying this card, we have had no complaints from any buyers. I show facts that should be easily believed, show me facts of shill bidding please.

Now you are starting to piss me off. Those Pujols "rookies" you sell and have gotten close to $100 for, by using deceptive selling tactics/techniques, sell for a couple dollars when sold on the up-and-up. The more you try and spin, the more you look like a snake-tonged crook.

 

[bigboydsportscards3]

Alright, I'm done with responding to the same people over and over. I'm obviously not changing your opinion. You just don't seem to understand how elaborate this scheme would have to be and the cost would be absolutely outrageous. Show me some sort of proof and I will respond to you again.. I will say this again, I guarantee you that if you run 2,000 auctions per week for a long period of time you will see the same bid activity we do and you will also get better prices than everyone else. It's called common sense. If anyone else as any questions or concerns, let me know.