As great as Jeter is playing, does he have any shot at Rose?

[elmalo]

I'm not a Pete Rose fan but Jeter NEVER hustled like Pete so just getting a stat only tells half the facts

Please tell me you are joking. Bc you can't be serious about that statement. Unless you are talking about hustling off the fireld, and in that case Im sure Jeter cant hold a candle to Rose.

 

[jetsrule4]

Please tell me you are joking. Bc you can't be serious about that statement. Unless you are talking about hustling off the fireld, and in that case Im sure Jeter cant hold a candle to Rose.

Yes. Wish i could thank but on my iphone.

 

[Titans74]

Here's my questions regarding this. Some on this board and in this thread try to take away from Pete's record because of the number of seasons, ABs, and PAs it took for him to get it.

Crunching the numbers, Jeter is going to have to also play 23-24 seasons, will have 13,000-14,000 ABs, and 15,000+ PAs. That is if he can continue his current 162 game averages. Will people use the same arguments that Jeter is/was a compiler and held on too long? Or will it be "different" for whatever reason?

I'm very curious to hear answers on that. Some people try to take away from some players accomplishments, but will overlook the same things if someone else can get there.

You usually only hear garbage like that from so called fans that don't have the slightest clue. They don't understand that it takes a really good hitter an average of 18 years to reach 3000 hits. Rose had how many seasons of 200+ hits? Jeter reached 3000, Biggio barely got it, Henderson got it. It would take better hitters than them to pass Rose in the same amount of time. Ichiro would have had the best chance at (easily) had he not started his MLB career so late. Ichiro is the only modern hitter that I would even put in the Rose/Cobb/4000 hits conversation. Everyone else is atleast one tier, or more, below.

 

[schmidtfan20]

Don't bet on it.

Sincerely,
Pete Rose

 

[elmalo]

Don't bet on it.

Sincerely,
Pete Rose

hahaha

 

[smapdi]

Could he do it? Yes, I think he could. His batting eye is very good still. But does anyone really see Derek Jeter still playing at 44 or 45? Keep in mind that he most likely won't be the manager and insert himself in the lineup a couple times a week. And even in the AL, I think he'd rather hang them up than DH. I know, anything is possible, but on the scale of things that are likely, this is pretty far to the "un" end.

 

[allstars]

Silly thread - you can talk all you want, but it'll never happen.

 

[JEBJJA]

Silly thread - you can talk all you want, but it'll never happen.

and Ryan Howard stinks....

 

[lawhs89]

Realistically, number two in the AL (fifth all time) is Tris Speaker 3,514 in 2014, Musial at 3,630 2015, and Aaron 3,771 in 2016. You have to go two more years for Cobb and one more for Rose. That's if all goes well.

 

[Gonzaleznut]

Not happenin'.

 

[markakis8]

Only way he could is if he DH'd for 4-5 years and I don't see him doing it. But at the same time, criteria for DH hitters are slowly changing. So who knows. No one thought Molitor would do what he did with the Blue Jays and Twins.

 

[All The Hype]

modify = hustled as much . Pete was a baseball player - big and ugly- Jeter well not so . Check that picture is there a good looking woman nearby ??

Funny how "Charlie Hustle" is always perceived as a guy who gave 110% all the time. My father told me he was at a Reds game back when Rose was in the prime of his career and Rose hit a popup into the shallow outfield and jogged slowly to first base. The popup was dropped and THEN he sprinted to second. Maybe he hustled more than most, but even Charlie Hustle wasn't perfect. Nothing against him, but just saying.

If you actually watch Jeter play, he sprints out just about every groundball, no matter how routine (at least he used to, I haven't watched him this year). Seems like he hustles and plays the game the right way to me.

 

[elmalo]

Funny how "Charlie Hustle" is always perceived as a guy who gave 110% all the time. My father told me he was at a Reds game back when Rose was in the prime of his career and Rose hit a popup into the shallow outfield and jogged slowly to first base. The popup was dropped and THEN he sprinted to second. Maybe he hustled more than most, but even Charlie Hustle wasn't perfect. Nothing against him, but just saying.

If you actually watch Jeter play, he sprints out just about every groundball, no matter how routine (at least he used to, I haven't watched him this year). Seems like he hustles and plays the game the right way to me.

Jeter hustles all of the time. 1 big difference between Jeter and Rose is that Jeter was blessed with a lot more athletic ability and Jeter has some grace. So things look a lot easier when Jeter does them as opposed to when Rose did them.

 

[muskiesfan]

Jeter hustles all of the time. 1 big difference between Jeter and Rose is that Jeter was blessed with a lot more athletic ability and Jeter has some grace. So things look a lot easier when Jeter does them as opposed to when Rose did them.

I completely agree with this. Pete Rose is my all time favorite baseball player. I don't believe anyone said he was perfect, but he did give everything he had between the lines. That doesn't mean he didn't have off days, but he earned his nickname.

Jeter is definitely blessed with much more natural talent. I don't think there's any debate there. Rose didn't have that great natural ability and that's why he had to be "Charlie Hustle". He had to work harder to be the player he was.

 

[Titans74]

When Jeter plays 500 or more games at 5 different positions, then come talk to me about having or not having true athletic ability. There's still only 1 player in the history of the game to do it. Rose played 671 games in LF, 594 games in RF, 939 games at 1B, 628 games at 2B, and 634 games at 3B.

And he was an All Star starter at all 5 positions.

Jeter is good and a surfire HOF'er. But he can't carry Pete's jock in terms of athleticism or hustle. And for whoever said Jeter sprints out every hit. You obviously didn't spend 15-20 games a year at Yankee Stadium like I did. Jeter more often than not pulls up into a light jog about 3-4 feet from the bag on infield hits. He definitely hustles in the field, can't take anything away from him there. But on the base paths? Please. Hustle is the last thing he does.

 

[elmalo]

When Jeter plays 500 or more games at 5 different positions, then come talk to me about having or not having true athletic ability. There's still only 1 player in the history of the game to do it. Rose played 671 games in LF, 594 games in RF, 939 games at 1B, 628 games at 2B, and 634 games at 3B.

And he was an All Star starter at all 5 positions.
Jeter is good and a surfire HOF'er. But he can't carry Pete's jock in terms of athleticism or hustle. And for whoever said Jeter sprints out every hit. You obviously didn't spend 15-20 games a year at Yankee Stadium like I did. Jeter more often than not pulls up into a light jog about 3-4 feet from the bag on infield hits. He definitely hustles in the field, can't take anything away from him there. But on the base paths? Please. Hustle is the last thing he does.

Jeter hustles every bit as much as Rose did and to say he cant carry Petes jock athletically is a pretty rediculous statement. Again, tell me how it is such a big accomplishment to play multiple positions? The reason Rose had to play multiple positions was bc teams wanted his bat in the lineup. Jeter is good enough at short that the Yankees havent had to find somewhere else for him to play.

 

[jbhofmann]

Jeter hustles every bit as much as Rose did and to say he cant carry Petes jock athletically is a pretty rediculous statement. Again, tell me how it is such a big accomplishment to play multiple positions? The reason Rose had to play multiple positions was bc teams wanted his bat in the lineup. Jeter is good enough at short that the Yankees havent had to find somewhere else for him to play.

They did. His name is Alex.

Jeter has had a negative dWAR for 15 of his 18 seasons in NY. If that's good enough then so be it.
Alex Rodriguez has had 16 POSITIVE dWAR seasons.
Ozzie Smith had 19 POSITIVE dWAR seasons :???:
Rose 20 negative dWAR seasons.

 

[muskiesfan]

Jeter hustles every bit as much as Rose did and to say he cant carry Petes jock athletically is a pretty rediculous statement. Again, tell me how it is such a big accomplishment to play multiple positions? The reason Rose had to play multiple positions was bc teams wanted his bat in the lineup. Jeter is good enough at short that the Yankees havent had to find somewhere else for him to play.

Your logic is a bit flawed. The Reds didn't move Rose around to keep his bat in the lineup, Pete willing moved around to help the team. He was a star and very popular. He didn't have to change positions, he did so to help the team. It wasn't that he didn't play well at those 5 positions. Also, it says a lot to be able to be an All-Star at 5 different positions.

Titans- Pete was great, but he wasn't as gifted with natural ability as Jeter. Pete was a great athlete because of how hard he worked, not because he was just born great. Pete himself has said that he had to work harder than other people.

 

[elmalo]

They did. His name is Alex.

Jeter has had a negative dWAR for 15 of his 18 seasons in NY. If that's good enough then so be it.
Alex Rodriguez has had 16 POSITIVE dWAR seasons.
Ozzie Smith had 19 POSITIVE dWAR seasons :???:
Rose 20 negative dWAR seasons.

Im not a fan of defensive metrics.

 

[elmalo]

Your logic is a bit flawed. The Reds didn't move Rose around to keep his bat in the lineup, Pete willing moved around to help the team. He was a star and very popular. He didn't have to change positions, he did so to help the team. It wasn't that he didn't play well at those 5 positions. Also, it says a lot to be able to be an All-Star at 5 different positions.

Titans- Pete was great, but he wasn't as gifted with natural ability as Jeter. Pete was a great athlete because of how hard he worked, not because he was just born great. Pete himself has said that he had to work harder than other people.

I agree, Pete moved around to help his team.