Aitx (BG Co.) listed fake Harper autograph

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1. Existing beyond what is obvious or admitted; intentionally hidden: "an ulterior motive behind his request".
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You're on a roll. Keep going, sir.

Guys, that was clearly such a deep pun that it flew right by you. He spelled it "Alt" because he thinks the card has been "altered". Er, duuuhhhh...

 

[jbhofmann]

Anyone else think there are just two #309/399 Harpers?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Anyone else think there are just two #309/399 Harpers?

Topps would NEVER misnumber a card.... :-?

(cue pic of the 7 different red refractors /5)

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

This is clearly an issue in the hobby, and clearly one that can affect any of us. And while the "updated" Harper signature is pretty bad, a mistake is a mistake. Should Brian (or whoever purchased the Harper) known the autograph wasn't good? Sure, probably, but it was probably picked up in a bulk lot and more about quantity than absolute one by one inspection.

Regardless, we wanted game-used cards...we welcomed them and now see the slew of faked patched and even entirely faked jerseys purchased by the manufacturer. We wanted autographs, and we got them. Signatures have faded, autographs have been traced over, and now wiped away clean and resigned by a foreign hand.

Evolution.

No matter what anyone has against Brian, Leaf, the state of Texas, JFK, tin foil hats, etc...time and time again when Brian/Leaf has been called out for a mistake...he has responded. He takes it on the chin, and moves on.

I can't recall Topps, Upper Deck or Panini jumping into the fire to honestly acknowledge their fraudulent game-jersey purchases, etc.

 

[Lancemountain]

Guys, that was clearly such a deep pun that it flew right by you. He spelled it "Alt" because he thinks the card has been "altered". Er, duuuhhhh...

It was tough watching that one go right over boblablow's head lmao.

This matchpenalty guy sure is Leaf's knight in shining armor!

 

[Seiya]

You see, " what had happened was"
I don't really see the big deal, one card out of the 1500+ listings they have, it happens.

 

[hofmichael]

This is clearly an issue in the hobby, and clearly one that can affect any of us. And while the "updated" Harper signature is pretty bad, a mistake is a mistake. Should Brian (or whoever purchased the Harper) known the autograph wasn't good? Sure, probably, but it was probably picked up in a bulk lot and more about quantity than absolute one by one inspection.

Regardless, we wanted game-used cards...we welcomed them and now see the slew of faked patched and even entirely faked jerseys purchased by the manufacturer. We wanted autographs, and we got them. Signatures have faded, autographs have been traced over, and now wiped away clean and resigned by a foreign hand.

Evolution.

No matter what anyone has against Brian, Leaf, the state of Texas, JFK, tin foil hats, etc...time and time again when Brian/Leaf has been called out for a mistake...he has responded. He takes it on the chin, and moves on.

I can't recall Topps, Upper Deck or Panini jumping into the fire to honestly acknowledge their fraudulent game-jersey purchases, etc.

I am not taking a shot a Brian here but Topps has corrected a Gehrig GU and a Ruth autograph that was wrongly authenticated by PSA.

 

[csmtampa]

Leaf threads are the reason why I love FCB :grin:

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It was tough watching that one go right over boblablow's head lmao.



This matchpenalty guy sure is Leaf's knight in shining armor!

With the amount of misspellings on this board, and the willingness to defend a point that is wrong to the death, as well as my experience with card shop owners and their limited ability to spell and bathe, I thought it was a mistake rather than a truly inappropriate and unfunny pun.

 

[rbadger]

On the 1st day:

On the 2nd day:

On the 3rd day:

EPIC! You have been thanked! Threads like this may be why message board activity is declining....or maybe it was started to have the controversy increase activity.....

 

[Pine Tar]

Leaf threads are the reason why I love FCB :grin:

Welcome back Kotter


And what is the big deal over this card......Seems since there is one less card now that is actually an legit auto, would the price now go up?....So the person who faked this auto actually did you idiots, who buy these over priced and over-hyped rookie autos......So shout-up and leave the last owner alone, and go make Topps Millions more on buying thier products and (gambling) chasing the cards you want so you can flip them........Man this place sometimes needs an enema.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

HOS! HOS! HOS!

 

[allstars]

I spelled "Alterior" as a pun, as in "altered" lol.

I'm discussing things with my rep at BGS, and apparently BG drops off boxes to them without filling in submission forms. And apparently BGS gives cards that don't make the grade back to BG without explaining why. So basically BG won't be able to prove that he submitted the card to BGS or not. So, unless BG produces the auction in which he purchased the card, complete with a photo of the bogus signature on it, it's his word against (most of) the world's.

 

[MansGame]

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I don't understand the issue, Warren, unless you're accusing Mr. Gray of altering the card himself. HOnestly, the amount of money to be made by changing the auto is de minimus. I wonder why anyone would do it, frankly, especially someone with so much to lose.

 

[vwnut13]

Is "we-chase-autos" one of Brian's eBay accounts?

 

[moxacaine]

I spelled "Alterior" as a pun, as in "altered" lol.

I'm discussing things with my rep at BGS, and apparently BG drops off boxes to them without filling in submission forms. And apparently BGS gives cards that don't make the grade back to BG without explaining why. So basically BG won't be able to prove that he submitted the card to BGS or not. So, unless BG produces the auction in which he purchased the card, complete with a photo of the bogus signature on it, it's his word against (most of) the world's.

First off, this thread has made me lose a lot of respect for you (Not that you probably care, but its means a lot to me since i generally like everyone). But had you stopped and took a breath for a second and read what Brian had to say you would see that he bought it at the Natty which means he would not be able to provide any auction information.

I didn't read the whole thread so my apologies if this has been said already.

Why is it so hard for people to realize that with the huge amount of cards he purchases that something like this could happen? Hell it could have happened to any of us. Honestly when does anyone really look to confirm the legitimacy of their card that is "certified" by a company? In the 22 years ive been collecting i've never done it once. Hell we dont even know if the auto is what kicked it back, because does BGS even authenticate the auto went sent in for grading? I would imagine they're just assuming its real since its a Topps Certified card and only grading the auto.

Had this not happened to Leaf and happened to any other member on here we would not be acting this way and instead of pointing fingers and screaming con man the awesome members on this board would be digging to find out where this card got switched. I dont think BG or anyone else for that matter with half a brain would jeopardize their company which is very profitable over such a low dollar card.

This is my one and only post in this thread because i think its a joke with all the BG flaming going on. I dont sway one way or the other with Leaf, some products i like and some i dont and i voice my opinion in those threads in regards to both so im not a kool aid drinker or whatever else people are calling it.

 

[A_Pharis]

I spelled "Alterior" as a pun, as in "altered" lol.

I'm discussing things with my rep at BGS, and apparently BG drops off boxes to them without filling in submission forms. And apparently BGS gives cards that don't make the grade back to BG without explaining why. So basically BG won't be able to prove that he submitted the card to BGS or not. So, unless BG produces the auction in which he purchased the card, complete with a photo of the bogus signature on it, it's his word against (most of) the world's.

I, personally, think that he got the card from you. And since this is apparently how things work with you, I'm going to need you to give me rock solid proof that you never owned this card. Anything you say is really just going to be the word of someone I don't trust - so that's no good. I need you to provide me a picture of this card being resigned by someone other than yourself.

Or, we could think like normal human beings and remember that it's innocent until proven guilty. BG's done a pretty good job of providing you all of the information that any given person is likely to have.
Like he's said, already, he buys in bulk and believes he got it at the national -- meaning there is no auction where he purchased it. If you would read instead of frantically typing nutjob response after nutjob response you may have actually seen that.

By the way - I think you meant "alterior" as a correction, not a pun. If it WAS a pun - don't go to comedy. It's not your strong point.

 

[Yadier2004]

Guys... I was notified by eBay that this item was removed. Now that I have seen it with my own eyes, I agree the card sucks..

I buy MASSIVE amounts of cards on the market.. When we submit to Beckett, they return any rookies that do not make minimum grade (on chrome, that's 9)..

We then sell these on eBay as they do not to our products' parameters...

We bought this card as it presently sits.. We never saw the previous incarnation.. Do you really think I would waste time and get ripped off on person buying a $200 card?

The card is being destroyed (ill post a picture of the torn card today)...

Now, with that being said, I am thoroughly disgusted by the title of this thread. It is libelous, defamatory and basically a total dick move to post that I am faking autographs.

I know many advanced collectors who have bought and resold cards within issues without knowing... Should we call all of those guys fakers when they were in fact victims.

Bottom line, I am disappointed we bought a bad card and I am more disappointed we missed that the autograph issue when it was returned.

I am most disappointed at the "lynch mob" and irresponsible attacks on my honesty.

I merely ask that people use some intelligence not make false statements without checking out the facts first. Harm can be done by this sort of bull and there can be serious consequences for this sort of irresponsible attack.

BG

I think its sad that people assume something before getting the whole story! I don't know BG but I highly doubt he as a person in charge of Leaf would fake a auto! Ask questions first not blame! Then all you keep saying prove it! Just makes all that throwing out accusation look like complete fools! Just my opinion!

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[Brewer Andy]

I spelled "Alterior" as a pun, as in "altered" lol.

I'm discussing things with my rep at BGS, and apparently BG drops off boxes to them without filling in submission forms. And apparently BGS gives cards that don't make the grade back to BG without explaining why. So basically BG won't be able to prove that he submitted the card to BGS or not. So, unless BG produces the auction in which he purchased the card, complete with a photo of the bogus signature on it, it's his word against (most of) the world's.

Wow. And I'll leave it at that so this doesn't turn into a thread from whence you came