Might Cabrera win the Triple Crown and not win the MVP Award?

[mlbsalltimegreats]

Obviously I was not around in 67 when Yaz did it so would love to see baseball history. I know Yaz got it in dramatic fashion as I believe he was 1 Hr away as Killebrew had the season lead and on the Last Game Yaz hit one out to Tie Killebrew Giving him the triple crown.

 

[Hendersonfan]

Completely agree. There is no way you win the Triple Crown and not win the MVP.

Joe Gordon won MVP in 42? When I think someone won Triple Crown. Not home so I'm not looking it up.

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[Austin]

Joe Gordon won MVP in 42? When I think someone won Triple Crown. Not home so I'm not looking it up.

Yeah, I wrote about that on the first page of this thread.
Here's a recap:

Ted Williams won the Triple Crown TWICE, in '42 and '47.
Neither year did he win the MVP award. ('42: Gordon, '47: DiMaggio)
He also didn't win the MVP when he hit .406 in '41. (DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak season)

 

[craftysouthpaw]

Says it better than I could . . .

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2012/09/trout-miggy-and-mvp.html

And Williams didn't win the MVP in his two triple crown years because the writers were either idiots, vengeful hacks with an axe to grind, or both.

 

[hive17]

Yeah, I wrote about that on the first page of this thread.
Here's a recap:

Ted Williams won the Triple Crown TWICE, in '42 and '47.
Neither year did he win the MVP award. ('42: Gordon, '47: DiMaggio)
He also didn't win the MVP when he hit .406 in '41. (DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak season)

Remeber, Williams was frosty at best when it came to sports-writers; watching what is happening to Braun this year, there's plenty of reason to think personal feelings and opinions matter more than the numbers do.

(No one needs to freak out: I'm not comparing Braun to Williams or "frosty media relations" to PED issues.)

 

[All The Hype]

Says it better than I could . . .

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2012/09/trout-miggy-and-mvp.html

And Williams didn't win the MVP in his two triple crown years because the writers were either idiots, vengeful hacks with an axe to grind, or both.

This is an outstanding article. It's one of the few that doesn't seem to really take a side and blindly argue it, but rather, he puts all the arguments on the table and makes sure people are thinking about them in the right ways. Great read.

I think the best point he makes is that it doesn't have to be and shouldn't be an argument of new age vs traditional stats. Trout's key argument shouldn't be based solely on the fact that he's leading in WAR, it should be based on the fact that he's having a great season by traditional numbers too, but simply in a different way than Cabrera.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

4 hits tonight for cabrera, one of those being a hr

 

[All The Hype]

Cabrera just got his 4th hit of the night, puts him up to .329 and I think that'll just about lock up the batting title for him.

 

[Austin]

It's nice seeing Cabrera getting the recognition he's long deserved.
He's always been so underrated for some reason, despite being nearly as good as Pujols. Now he's better.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

Hes playing like he wants that Triple crown!

 

[Hendersonfan]

Gordon was good on 42. Better than triple crown? I don't think so, but he did have a solid year.

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[nosterbor]

This is an outstanding article. It's one of the few that doesn't seem to really take a side and blindly argue it, but rather, he puts all the arguments on the table and makes sure people are thinking about them in the right ways. Great read.

I think the best point he makes is that it doesn't have to be and shouldn't be an argument of new age vs traditional stats. Trout's key argument shouldn't be based solely on the fact that he's leading in WAR, it should be based on the fact that he's having a great season by traditional numbers too, but simply in a different way than Cabrera.

Trout puked in September! Need i type more?

 

[markakis8]

Trout puked in September! Need i type more?

By all means, dont.

 

[craftysouthpaw]

Trout puked in September! Need i type more?

Cabrera puked in April and May! Need i type more!

Trout since September 1 has an OPS of .897. Cabrera on May 31 had an OPS of .880. So by using the only numbers where Cabrera even has an argument as having a better year (purely with the bat) and using the pure absurdity of arbitrary start and end dates, Cabrera puked more and longer than Trout did.

Oh wait, I forgot. A win in September somehow adds around 1.375 wins to a team's record while a win in April and May only adds around .846 wins to a team's record. And Trout's pukey OPS over less than 1/5 of the season (even though that OPS would still be 13th in all of MLB if that was his number for the full year and even though that OPS doesn't account for the fact that Trout has played in much tougher hitting environments than Cabrera) clearly trumps the rest of his season. Not to mention his vastly superior defense and baserunning. Silly me.

And everyone knows that winning the Triple Crown clearly is the exact same thing as being the most valuable. Even though 2 of the 3 stats that comprise the Triple Crown sometimes correlate with value but don't drive value. And most front offices discount them completely when evaluating a player. Again, silly me.

 

[muskiesfan]

Obviously I was not around in 67 when Yaz did it so would love to see baseball history. I know Yaz got it in dramatic fashion as I believe he was 1 Hr away as Killebrew had the season lead and on the Last Game Yaz hit one out to Tie Killebrew Giving him the triple crown.

Whether he wins the MVP or not does not matter to me. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Yaz won his Triple Crown 11 years before I was born. I would love to actually see someone win it. We could be witnessing baseball history. I really hope Cabrera wins the Triple Crown.

As someone else mentioned, I think Miggy has been underrated. He may be an ******* and drunk, but what he does on the diamond is impressive. It's nice to see him getting the attention he has deserved.

 

[craftysouthpaw]

Whether he wins the MVP or not does not matter to me. I agree with this wholeheartedly. Yaz won his Triple Crown 11 years before I was born. I would love to actually see someone win it. We could be witnessing baseball history. I really hope Cabrera wins the Triple Crown.

As someone else mentioned, I think Miggy has been underrated. He may be an ******* and drunk, but what he does on the diamond is impressive. It's nice to see him getting the attention he has deserved.

I agree as well. I do hope he gets the Triple Crown because I think it would be cool to see happen. Just don't think it means he should absolutely be deserving of the MVP because of it.

I made the same comment on a previous post on this topic about Cabrera being underrated and he is one of the greatest offensive forces of this generation. It is good this is getting him some recognition he deserves.

 

[alwayson22]

I am rooting for the Triple Crown (accomplished 14 times) and a 30-50 season (accomplished 2 times). It has been an awesome season and my A's are playoff-bound!

 

[dp33]

To me it simply comes down to finding what Trout has done this year to be more awe-inspiring than what Cabrera has done. I have changed the channel to see it on tv, or checked the box scores the next day, in a way that I have never done before.

I like the way Joe at least invalidated goofy reasoning like the Tigers making the playoffs, and I agree with his reasoning about the luck factor involved in the Triple Crown as well. That said, I would like a co-MVP finish as much as any other result.

 

[elmalo]

Robbie Cano!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[All The Hype]

People will remember Cabrera being the first player in almost 50 year to take the Triple Crown.


They may or may not remember who won the 2012 AL MVP.