Ebay Fees On The Rise Again

[predatorkj]

You may just have to add a credit card to you PayPal. Use the card and pay that off on payday.

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I'm in the process of trying to become credit card free. I'll just have to make do. I just don't like it when sellers get edgy with me because of other npb's they've had. I try to be very easy to work with. I don't want people griping if I take a few days to pay just like I don't give them hell for the card taking 2 weeks to arrive. Or because it came in a pwe.

 

[nappyd]

He always talks about how much he does off ebay

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Besides at that level $14k in fees is a nice tax writeoff as a cost of doing business expense like postage and packaging costs are.

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[brentandbecca]

Besides at that level $14k in fees is a nice tax writeoff as a cost of doing business expense like postage and packaging costs are.

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lol, funny... tax write-off? sure, profit right from my hands, geez

point is case breaking is tons of work 365 days a year up til 3-4-5am, no spare time and small margins which are not guaranteed (and in fact this year there really is not a margin so far, weak rc in bb and fb and products are not strong), and rising cost for us all at PO, eBay, paypal, case prices, etc
as if 1 day handling was not enough but now ebay has same day handling, lol
point is it is not easy and no one would like it if your income (before or after taxes) was cut by approx. $14k all at once
now those are estimates based on my phone conversation with ebay and their calculator using the # of items sold and listed in 2012 and the avg sale price, so it is not 100% dead on
I sell most everything via auction so my fees go from 7.5% for first $50 and 4% after to flat 9% PLUS they want me to pay for a store WHICH is basically pre-paying for listings of which many months they won't all be used

do not get me wrong, ebay is the best option especially for what I do
56% of my business was done direct (off ebay) last year but it is almost impossible for me to move all my volume off ebay especially singles and lots
ebay has tons of traffic and everyone wants a deal, but I am grateful for ebay as it helped me get where I am today, just wish the changes for some were not so drastic, and those that may save $ are not saving near as much as others will lose, so eBay wins again
there are many sellers that have it far worse though, guys that sell high $ items like gold/silver/electronics/collectibles, are selling final fees more than double on items over $1500 in most instances
eBay is trying to be amazon, and they are no and never will be, I wish they would remember that auctions got them where they are but they keep pushing that away

another thing that gets me is the fact that two new features (FREE BUY IT NOW and FREE LISTING SCHEDULER) are only available to NON-STORE OWNERS, and while I am actively looking for a career and will get out of selling after 17+ years I may drop the store after running so many different numbers with my eBay rep

much more on this but oh well, it is different for everyone depending on what you sell and how you sell
also look at listing fees AFTER you use your free ones, they are now higher than they used to be in most all instances so they are getting theirs, not like they are trying to make less money

 

[nosterbor]

Bingo. No better way to put it.

and the seller takes his sweet ass time to mail it!!!!!!!! NICE! Thats BullXXXX.

 

[nosterbor]

Yes, but there is no agreement with the selller to extend you credit.

Its just like going to a store, it aint yours till you pay for it.



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When i go to the store and pay for it i get it,NOW not in 10 days

 

[nappyd]

lol, funny... tax write-off? sure, profit right from my hands, geez

point is case breaking is tons of work 365 days a year up til 3-4-5am, no spare time and small margins which are not guaranteed (and in fact this year there really is not a margin so far, weak rc in bb and fb and products are not strong), and rising cost for us all at PO, eBay, paypal, case prices, etc
as if 1 day handling was not enough but now ebay has same day handling, lol
point is it is not easy and no one would like it if your income (before or after taxes) was cut by approx. $14k all at once
now those are estimates based on my phone conversation with ebay and their calculator using the # of items sold and listed in 2012 and the avg sale price, so it is not 100% dead on
I sell most everything via auction so my fees go from 7.5% for first $50 and 4% after to flat 9% PLUS they want me to pay for a store WHICH is basically pre-paying for listings of which many months they won't all be used

do not get me wrong, ebay is the best option especially for what I do
56% of my business was done direct (off ebay) last year but it is almost impossible for me to move all my volume off ebay especially singles and lots
ebay has tons of traffic and everyone wants a deal, but I am grateful for ebay as it helped me get where I am today, just wish the changes for some were not so drastic, and those that may save $ are not saving near as much as others will lose, so eBay wins again
there are many sellers that have it far worse though, guys that sell high $ items like gold/silver/electronics/collectibles, are selling final fees more than double on items over $1500 in most instances
eBay is trying to be amazon, and they are no and never will be, I wish they would remember that auctions got them where they are but they keep pushing that away

another thing that gets me is the fact that two new features (FREE BUY IT NOW and FREE LISTING SCHEDULER) are only available to NON-STORE OWNERS, and while I am actively looking for a career and will get out of selling after 17+ years I may drop the store after running so many different numbers with my eBay rep

much more on this but oh well, it is different for everyone depending on what you sell and how you sell
also look at listing fees AFTER you use your free ones, they are now higher than they used to be in most all instances so they are getting theirs, not like they are trying to make less money

Yeah for the high volume power sellers it wasn't a good fee change at all and is too overreaching on their part. Someone at eBay may be overestimating the profit margin of the always popular Chinese dropshippers to make such a change.

 

[cmnkb8]

When i go to the store and pay for it i get it,NOW not in 10 days

Then don't buy online. Simple as that. Nowhere else but ebay, is a seller required to put aside an item for someone who "buys" it, but has not paid for it. When you buy anything from another online store like amazon or best buy, you pay when you place the order, not 4-6 days later.

 

[cmnkb8]

Yeah for the high volume power sellers it wasn't a good fee change at all and is too overreaching on their part. Someone at eBay may be overestimating the profit margin of the always popular Chinese dropshippers to make such a change.

It is not good for card sellers, but for most of those Chinese dropshippers who sell electronics, the fees are actually dropping quite a bit to 6% or lower. Ebay won't catch Amazon, but they sure as hell will keep on trying.

 

[Casebusters]

So what do you do for people that buy multiple cards? I hate paying the extra paypal fees when they pay for each BIN as they hit it.

Depends if the shipping is included or added after, If added after, then you get shipping on all 10 items, you could then refund the buyer the difference and not pay extra fees...
if its included, then the shipping is in each one already...

 

[cmnkb8]

Depends if the shipping is included or added after, If added after, then you get shipping on all 10 items, you could then refund the buyer the difference and not pay extra fees...
if its included, then the shipping is in each one already...

Actually, if someone buys 10 items and makes 10 payments that includes shipping for each, not only do you get docked for the extra $.30 for each payment, but you do NOT get your ebay fees back for the extra shipping even if you refund the buyer. Once the buyer makes payment, ebay charges you the fees. If you refund the buyer, you have to request a fee refund thru ebay, but they only allow that for the FULL amount of the transaction, which means you will eat the ebay fee for the shipping charges that you refunded. Trust me, I've been thru this.

 

[morgoth]

Then don't buy online. Simple as that. Nowhere else but ebay, is a seller required to put aside an item for someone who "buys" it, but has not paid for it. When you buy anything from another online store like amazon or best buy, you pay when you place the order, not 4-6 days later.

Quit being silly, Amazon and those online retailers have giant, enormous wharehouse and supply chain infrastructure to get your items to you usually in 1 to 2 days. Plus with Amazon's Prime set up, I can pay 50 bucks a year and get free shipping for the entire year.

Also Amazon has strict policies regarding who it allows to sell which Ebay will never have.

Dinging somebodies DSR's for slow shipping, big freaking whoppee when it took 10 days to get a hot RC only to see him cool off is fun.

 

[cmnkb8]

Quit being silly, Amazon and those online retailers have giant, enormous wharehouse and supply chain infrastructure to get your items to you usually in 1 to 2 days. Plus with Amazon's Prime set up, I can pay 50 bucks a year and get free shipping for the entire year.

Also Amazon has strict policies regarding who it allows to sell which Ebay will never have.

Dinging somebodies DSR's for slow shipping, big freaking whoppee when it took 10 days to get a hot RC only to see him cool off is fun.

Yeah, you can pay extra to get your stuff faster from Amazon, and some ebay sellers do offer that option as well. The key is that you pay extra. I don't, and when I order stuff from Amazon, especially "marketplace" sellers, it often takes 7-10 days to get to me via UPS Ground from the west coast.

When I sell stuff on Ebay, I'm expected to ship everything in 1 business day to maintain TRS status. Yet I have to do this for a buyer that pays immediately, as well as for buyers that take 8 days to pay. And it's usually those buyers that take 8 days to pay that ding my DSR's for charging $2.50 shipping, or that the USPS took 6 days in transit to deliver it without considering when it was mailed because they expected Priority shipping for $2.50.

 

[Casebusters]

Actually, if someone buys 10 items and makes 10 payments that includes shipping for each, not only do you get docked for the extra $.30 for each payment, but you do NOT get your ebay fees back for the extra shipping even if you refund the buyer. Once the buyer makes payment, ebay charges you the fees. If you refund the buyer, you have to request a fee refund thru ebay, but they only allow that for the FULL amount of the transaction, which means you will eat the ebay fee for the shipping charges that you refunded. Trust me, I've been thru this.

I understand, thats why you have to be creative:
if you charged 2.50 for shipping, and 1 person used BIN with immediate payment on 10 items, thats $25.00 shipping the buyer would have paid using immediate payment, the extra fees would be this
ebay ($2.50) + paypal $(3.00), say it cost $5.00 to ship, Thats $10
If you refunded the buyer $15, I think the buyer would be ok with that

and if the s/h was included and you factored all the above in your sales, and you refunded $15, and buyer would be happy also.

It can work, You get paid immediately, and no NPBs.

Not sure how the ebay shopping cart works if immidiate payment is required...

 

[cmnkb8]

I understand, thats why you have to be creative:
if you charged 2.50 for shipping, and 1 person used BIN with immediate payment on 10 items, thats $25.00 shipping the buyer would have paid using immediate payment, the extra fees would be this
ebay ($2.50) + paypal $(3.00), say it cost $5.00 to ship, Thats $10
If you refunded the buyer $15, I think the buyer would be ok with that

and if the s/h was included and you factored all the above in your sales, and you refunded $15, and buyer would be happy also.

It can work, You get paid immediately, and no NPBs.

Not sure how the ebay shopping cart works if immidiate payment is required...

I used to get dinged in my DSRs for charging $2.50 + $.50 per additional item with a max of $5, so now I just make it $2.49 flat as long as it's 1 payment (yes $2.49, not $2.50, because I'm using a Jedi mind trick on the buyer). I just eat the excess costs to avoid low DSR's. If I charged a buyer $10 to ship 10 singles in one package, I can expect 10 1 star ratings. A reasonable buyer wouldn't do that, but this is ebay we're talking about.

 

[Casebusters]

I used to get dinged in my DSRs for charging $2.50 + $.50 per additional item with a max of $5, so now I just make it $2.49 flat as long as it's 1 payment (yes $2.49, not $2.50, because I'm using a Jedi mind trick on the buyer). I just eat the excess costs to avoid low DSR's. If I charged a buyer $10 to ship 10 singles in one package, I can expect 10 1 star ratings. A reasonable buyer wouldn't do that, but this is ebay we're talking about.

But this would be 10 payments.

Right now, I have 3 auctions in my cart BUT I didn't buy them yet, If someone else buys & pays for them before I checkout, I will lose those items....
Maybe that's what that rule means?

 

[cmnkb8]

But this would be 10 payments.

Right now, I have 3 auctions in my cart BUT I didn't buy them yet, If someone else buys & pays for them before I checkout, I will lose those items....
Maybe that's what that rule means?

Yes, but even if it's 10 payments and I ship it as 1 package, I wouldn't dare charge an extra $7.50 to cover my fees. Maybe an extra dollar or two max, and that would already be pushing it in the ebay world.

I have no idea how the cart works, since I've never used it myself.

 

[brentandbecca]

But this would be 10 payments.

Right now, I have 3 auctions in my cart BUT I didn't buy them yet, If someone else buys & pays for them before I checkout, I will lose those items....
Maybe that's what that rule means?

not to butt in but right now the new cart and left for sell until paid for does not even effect the sports card category, so it is mute point
it is only in things like jewelry and watches per the FAQ

 

[Erich]

Not sure how the ebay shopping cart works if immidiate payment is required...[/QUOTE]

I am not sure how this works. Last week I sold two cards at BIN, I have my BIN set up that you have to pay immediately after buying. The guy that bought two cards was able to make one payment and got my $2.00 shipping for however many cards you buy in a day. I have no idea how he did it, maybe Ebay has some function I am not aware of.

 

[predatorkj]

Then don't buy online. Simple as that. Nowhere else but ebay, is a seller required to put aside an item for someone who "buys" it, but has not paid for it. When you buy anything from another online store like amazon or best buy, you pay when you place the order, not 4-6 days later.

Well my take is you shouldn't sell on eBay then. Go to another place that requires immediate payment.

I don't really think you should leave eBay. I just don't think it's a great idea to be edgy at buyers using ebays requirements to their advantage. In the end you still get paid and I still get my item. So we're fighting over what...a few days.

And usually, if I'm taking 8 days to pay I'm letting the seller know. That's really pushing it. I can see you getting mad at a buyer of they do that without asking first. But if they do ask and you say no, then those are the terms. I try to always stick to a sellers terms.

 

[rsmath]

point is case breaking is tons of work 365 days a year up til 3-4-5am, no spare time and small margins which are not guaranteed (and in fact this year there really is not a margin so fa
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eBay is trying to be amazon, and they are no and never will be, I wish they would remember that auctions got them where they are but they keep pushing that away

thanks for the chuckle when you complained about case breaking . I (and am sure others) wish I had disposable hobby income to buy and break cases! IRA comes first over hobby cases.

anyway, I don't think ebay will change back in the direction of their roots. It's Paypal driving the stock price and interest in ebay so ebay auctions itself is more like just a cherry on the top of the stock than it really is a driver of the growth and stock price of the company. Very glad I invested in ebay stock as it has almost doubled for me at the effort of you and others who accept boatloads of paypal payments!