I hope Leaf does better than this

[Leaf]

Matfan,
And this is why companies tell collectors to suck it.

Psa certed over 50,000 items for us this last year...
Pulling the certs takes massive time (plus I need cuts in hand to even be able to identify who authenticated it and cert number anyways), therefore I take the position that I welcome questions and we will let PSA re-reviewing in the event of a question..

It was best said earlier... There isn't controversy on these cards..
It is a reckless collector/dealer who has been an outspoken critic of me and my company for 5 years now...
He provided no proof or support for his Accusations. It's just plain irresponsible..
BG

P.s.- I don't want to ever have to deal with issues that way, but when you deal with cyber-bullies who attempt to harm your company,it can get to a point you have no choice... I came on and told warren where cuts came from and addressed his questions... Until I realized they weren't questions, but rather accusations without support. Maybe I should do like the other guys and ignore these types of questions?

 

[Leaf]

If anyone who owns one wants to contact me, I'll be happy to support authenticity...
I think I'm done arguing with people who just want to argue for sport on the boards..
Have a good nite all...BG

 

[IUjapander]

First of all, despite the title, this thread was a Tristar related thread. Trying to bash Leaf as a bonus is kind of weird.

As for Brian threatening a lawsuit, I think he should be careful saying that but at the same time he's also trying to let people know he is putting out a legit product. You may not like him or his products but at least he stands behind his stuff.

As for not posting the coa's, who cares. Topps doesn't even watch the athletes at times as some stickers are just sent back to topps, not watched. It doesn't mean that the autos are fake. But hey , at least his were PSA.

And Brian, I suggest you alphabetize your certain and put them in a fire proof file cabinet.

I wasn't trying to bash leaf at all with the thread title. Both companies have/will be coming out with an all Yankees cut signature product. I was simply showing how awful one is (this is one example of many), in hopes that Leaf's are much better.

I've been around long enough to understand why some people have issues with Leaf/Brian, but how can you not like the enthusiasm he shows? Seriously every interview I've heard with him has made me appreciate his hands on approach to trying to make this hobby better. I would hope that the mistakes of the past were growing pains of the company, and that lessons were learned. I really do want Leaf to succeed as I think he is good at pushing envelopes and creating buzz rather than doing the same things over and over.

The litigation threats on board members is a little uncalled for though. And to show I'm not a homer (even though the man brought back family guy cards) those Britney Spears cards that were released in Pop Century a few years ago are 100% not signed by her. I'm not an autograph expert and I'm certainly not a Spears expert, but anyone can look at those cards and see that more than one person signed those stickers, and none of them were her.
[MENTION=2408]Bob Loblaw[/MENTION] do you accept cards as a retainer?

 

[notjomommasclint]

I'm still not sure why living players need cut cards..

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I'm still not sure why living players need cut cards..

When one thinks about it, a cut isn't different than a sticker.

 

[Matsuicollector]

I'm still not sure why living players need cut cards..

They don't. These types of cuts are probably my least favorite type of card that any company is producing. I don't understand their appeal (is there even any?) at all. In my opinion, the cards are down right ugly. They really have no design, no picture of the player, and, more often then not, have a cut auto that is absolute garbage. I honestly don't even know why people buy these things. Can anyone enlighten me? -This is a serious question for anyone who likes these things - I mean if someone just wants a certified autograph of a particular player, I can think of many better options than these crap cuts that are being produced.

 

[Matsuicollector]

When one thinks about it, a cut isn't different than a sticker.

I think you're partially correct. If these cuts were used like stickers, I don't think there would be as much of a problem. IMO, these cuts that leaf and tristar are producing aren't even cards. All they are is an autograph, often using some the worst options possible, with a little frame in the shape of a card. Where is any of the design that makes it a baseball card? To me they just seem lazy and unnecessary.

EDIT:

Here's what I'm talking about. When these first came out, I thought they were absolutely horrible. However, now, in comparison to these Tristar/Leaf cuts, I think it is exponentially better. Because the card below is still an actual baseball card, and in this case the auto is used more like a sticker.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

The reason living players have cut cards unfortunately is because there are Supercollectors who chase every "card" or item out there. So there is a market in some way ugly or not and at some price

Ryan

 

[predatorkj]

I think you're partially correct. If these cuts were used like stickers, I don't think there would be as much of a problem. IMO, these cuts that leaf and tristar are producing aren't even cards. All they are is an autograph, often using some the worst options possible, with a little frame in the shape of a card. Where is any of the design that makes it a baseball card? To me they just seem lazy and unnecessary.

EDIT:

Here's what I'm talking about. When these first came out, I thought they were absolutely horrible. However, now, in comparison to these Tristar/Leaf cuts, I think it is exponentially better. Because the card below is still an actual baseball card, and in this case the auto is used more like a sticker.

Uh...the fact that this shows it was cut from another card kinda kills it for me. But hey, the great thing about the hobby is you can be picky!

 

[predatorkj]

I wasn't trying to bash leaf at all with the thread title. Both companies have/will be coming out with an all Yankees cut signature product. I was simply showing how awful one is (this is one example of many), in hopes that Leaf's are much better.

I've been around long enough to understand why some people have issues with Leaf/Brian, but how can you not like the enthusiasm he shows? Seriously every interview I've heard with him has made me appreciate his hands on approach to trying to make this hobby better. I would hope that the mistakes of the past were growing pains of the company, and that lessons were learned. I really do want Leaf to succeed as I think he is good at pushing envelopes and creating buzz rather than doing the same things over and over.

The litigation threats on board members is a little uncalled for though. And to show I'm not a homer (even though the man brought back family guy cards) those Britney Spears cards that were released in Pop Century a few years ago are 100% not signed by her. I'm not an autograph expert and I'm certainly not a Spears expert, but anyone can look at those cards and see that more than one person signed those stickers, and none of them were her.
@Bob Loblaw do you accept cards as a retainer?

I feel you and I agree. It wasn't a knock on you. But there are people here who hate Brian. Cool. We get that. You know what I do if I don't like a person? I just stay the hell away from them. Why people feel the need to follow him is beyond me.

 

[Matsuicollector]

Uh...the fact that this shows it was cut from another card kinda kills it for me. But hey, the great thing about the hobby is you can be picky!

I didn't say I liked it

 

[predatorkj]

I didn't say I liked it

Yeah, that's like card cannibalism.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Going great! Maybe more lawsuits to come!!! (You forget I sued panini on prizm, not the other way around)..

Jeff, we all know who and what you are... No need to keep showing it..

At the end if the day, the cuts are real.. You or warren can feel free to putup money and well ask JSA and PSA to look at them..

If you put up enough, I bet I can get Gretzky to look at them!

As always, you'll make a comment about betting, but there isn't a better way to expose a big mouth than tell him to put his money where his big mouth is..
Times must be tough there..
BG

Right. You sued Panini in regard to the Prism name, then you dropped the case when it looked like you were going to lose an MSJ. Good use of resources towards legal fees. Then a few months ago, Panini sued you for the copyright infringement on the Crusade brand. One would hope they've contacted FCB to authenticate and preserve the records of you referring to the Crusade line of inserts when you were promoting Valiant.

Good luck with that, and for keeping the majority of the Texas bar in business.

Others have already chimed in with your bullying. I needn't add on the heap.

 

[Leaf]

I wasn't trying to bash leaf at all with the thread title. Both companies have/will be coming out with an all Yankees cut signature product. I was simply showing how awful one is (this is one example of many), in hopes that Leaf's are much better.

I've been around long enough to understand why some people have issues with Leaf/Brian, but how can you not like the enthusiasm he shows? Seriously every interview I've heard with him has made me appreciate his hands on approach to trying to make this hobby better. I would hope that the mistakes of the past were growing pains of the company, and that lessons were learned. I really do want Leaf to succeed as I think he is good at pushing envelopes and creating buzz rather than doing the same things over and over.

The litigation threats on board members is a little uncalled for though. And to show I'm not a homer (even though the man brought back family guy cards) those Britney Spears cards that were released in Pop Century a few years ago are 100% not signed by her. I'm not an autograph expert and I'm certainly not a Spears expert, but anyone can look at those cards and see that more than one person signed those stickers, and none of them were her.
@Bob Loblaw do you accept cards as a retainer?

Britney absolutely signed every label (and this was reconfirmed by Britney AND her agent.. she can attest to this obviously), plus PSA reviewed and deteremined signatures were authentic (and had exemplars supporting each style of signature).
Thank you for your kind words, but you are wrong about the Brits.
BG

p.s.- I am not falling into your trap. You made a libelous statement. I am not going to threaten to sue. (I just wanted to put you on notice that the post is objectionable legally).

 

[Leaf]

When one thinks about it, a cut isn't different than a sticker.

DING DING DING!
BG

 

[nyc3]

I'm still not sure why living players need cut cards..

Because we have a hobby filled with used cars salesmen. Whats cheaper than paying the player to sign a card? Have a card signed possibly by the player used in your "product". Who needs a piece of mind when you are peddling trash.

 

[Leaf]

Right. You sued Panini in regard to the Prism name, then you dropped the case when it looked like you were going to loose an MSJ. Good use of resources towards legal fees. Then a few months ago, Panini sued you for the copyright infringement on the Crusade brand. One would hope they've contacted FCB to authenticate and preserve the records of you referring to the Crusade line of inserts when you were promoting Valiant.

Good luck with that, and for keeping the majority of the Texas bar in business.

Others have already chimed in with your bullying. I needn't add on the heap.

Obviously, cannot comment on current litigation...

However,
Once again, you speak out of your ass without knowing anything. I dropped the PRIZM suit as the venue was moved form the civil courts to the trademark office. IF I win at the trademark office, the civil case is a slam dunk.
Trademark office=judge, civil court=jury.

You are a prime example of why no company talks to you guys or gives a XXXX about you guys.
Poeple like uou have scared off reps of most companies and should be ashamed of yourself for robbing customers of a chance to interract with the manufacturers.
BG

 

[Leaf]

Thanks for the "exchange" on the topic.

I will leave you with this:

People collect what they want. We make what people want. If no one buys our cut signature products, we will quit making them.
At this time, there is tons of demand for cut signatures of personailities who (a) may never have cards otherwise or (b) can be more readily available to collectors at better price points, for those with budgets.

I would merely ask the vocal minority on this board to consider a few things:
1> your harassment of anyone not sharing your opinion (including manufacturers, collectors,etc) is a MAJOR cause of these people no longer posting on the board... and yes, the traffic is down in my opinion in part due to the lynch mobs here..
2> people collect what they want. Let them collect what they like and you collect what you like. The constant bashing does not help grow this hobby. Helping people have fun does.
3> Once you state your opinion 20 times (which most of you have), we all know how you feel and at that point you are merely posting to hear yourself talk. No one cares to keep hearing the same crap again and again!!

I do hope manufacturers will begin to better interact with consumers, however I do not see this ever happening on message boards based on the behavior of the lynch mob personailities.

If you are a collector with a real question, I can always be reached at [email protected]

These message boards are deteriorating to the point of being a poor (at best) means of communicating with consumers.

To those who support our brand, THANK YOU! We are not deterred by those who harass and taunt for sport. I care about our customers and will be available to those who deserve interraction.
BG

 

[jbone17]

I have a fact and I think all of us can agree to this, but that card does not belong in a hobby box. The aesthetic value that collectors desire is non existent in this card and I would be livid if I wasted my hard earned money to receive a card like that. Yes, collectors are desiring more cut signatures, but getting by the cheap way will not help the matter. I understand the economy is tough, but you will lose more collectors than gain them, with cards like these. I am not bashing Brian specifically because that would be ignorant as hell over a message board, but I hope they can solve this matter.

 

[riveraXVX]

about the only instance of a cut card being used for a cut signature that I find "Acceptable" in my head...not that I'd want to own it-- but lets say:

autographed card A - has major damage/edgewear/severely dinged corners around edges but autograph area is fine or just any combination of "undesirable" to collectors things going against it. - it is then used for a cut for something else-

to cut up a card with nothing wrong with it just to make another cut card on the other hand just seems silly.

not much into cut signatures in general but I do like cancelled checks and nicely presented cuts of either deceased/harder to get signatures