I hope Leaf does better than this

[Bob Loblaw]

Britney absolutely signed every label (and this was reconfirmed by Britney AND her agent.. she can attest to this obviously), plus PSA reviewed and deteremined signatures were authentic (and had exemplars supporting each style of signature).
Thank you for your kind words, but you are wrong about the Brits.
BG

p.s.- I am not falling into your trap. You made a libelous statement. I am not going to threaten to sue. (I just wanted to put you on notice that the post is objectionable legally).

1. Go to law school.
2. Prove your damages.
3. Know your venue. This is a discussion board. Nothing more, nothing less.

You will lose.

People love throwing money at people and buying the product of those who threaten to sue them. While you're going to law school, you may want to take a marketing course as well.

1. Don't piss off your customer base by threatening to sue.

 

[Leaf]

I have a fact and I think all of us can agree to this, but that card does not belong in a hobby box. The aesthetic value that collectors desire is non existent in this card and I would be livid if I wasted my hard earned money to receive a card like that. Yes, collectors are desiring more cut signatures, but getting by the cheap way will not help the matter. I understand the economy is tough, but you will lose more collectors than gain them, with cards like these. I am not bashing Brian specifically because that would be ignorant as hell over a message board, but I hope they can solve this matter.

Where we agree is that cutting a card to make a card (especially like the Cano above) is not something I condone.
However, buying and index card of Cano and cutting it and using in a card is fine in my opinion (and obviously the many collectors who buy these cards).
BG

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I do hope manufacturers will begin to better interact with consumers, however I do not see this ever happening on message boards based on the behavior of the lynch mob personailities.

If you are a collector with a real question, I can always be reached at [email protected]

These message boards are deteriorating to the point of being a poor (at best) means of communicating with consumers.

BG

BG speak for "not as many people are drinking my Kool-Aid any more".

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Obviously, cannot comment on current litigation...

However,
Once again, you speak out of your ass without knowing anything. I dropped the PRIZM suit as the venue was moved form the civil courts to the trademark office. IF I win at the trademark office, the civil case is a slam dunk.
Trademark office=judge, civil court=jury.


BG

An attorney worth his salt would have known the proper venue to file said suit.

 

[Leaf]

I just figured something out. THE IGNORE BUTTON.
Goodbye, Jeff... I am not listening to your "arguing for the sake of arguing crap".
BG

p.s.- more collectors than ever are buying LEAF (sales over $20 million this year)... I suggest you do some fact checking before showing your stupidity.

 

[SteelBrad]

The person he threatened to sue is clearly not a customer.

I'm all for having the ability to defend yourself. He did, and the person who made the statement edited his post.

Everybody wants BG to show the Cert. How about the accuser edit his post back to calling it fake and then one way or the other we have a loser of the argument that we can vilify on a message board for eternity. Sound good?

Yes, I'm kidding.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I just figured something out. THE IGNORE BUTTON.
Goodbye, Jeff... I am not listening to your "arguing for the sake of arguing crap".
BG

p.s.- more collectors than ever are buying LEAF (sales over $20 million this year)... I suggest you do some fact checking before showing your stupidity.

Bye, Brian. Didn't you promise not to come back here, like, 8 times previously?

Apparently, I'm stupid by saying "People love throwing money at people and buying the product of those who threaten to sue them." So be it.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

The person he threatened to sue is clearly not a customer.

I'm all for having the ability to defend yourself. He did, and the person who made the statement edited his post.

Everybody wants BG to show the Cert. How about the accuser edit his post back to calling it fake and then one way or the other we have a loser of the argument that we can vilify on a message board for eternity. Sound good?

Yes, I'm kidding.

Not necessarily (is he not a customer). While I've not purchased leaf products in quite some time, if I see something that will make me money, and is almost a sure thing, I'll buy it, no matter if it was made by ******, Stalin, Gray, or Bin Laden. I suspect others are the same way.

 

[Leaf]

I do want to clarify Jeff was "Stupid" when he said that less people were buying LEAF...
I agree that suing a customer would be bad form... however, a non-customer who acts with malicious intent?
LOL.. its just a hobby...

I am am NOT leaving this board... I am just leaving Jeff and any other troll/distractor/etc that exists only to derail conversations and hurt the honest process of communication.
I suggest the rest of you who care about the business do the same.
BG

 

[Jaypers]

When it comes to BG and Jeff, I feel as though I'm watching a WWE storyline. Over the course of a few weeks (maybe months) they're best buds, then one turns on the other and they have a bitter feud, followed by someone else interjecting on both which leads to them having an "uneasy alliance" to team up against the 3rd party, followed by a period of time in which they don't interact at all, followed by a reconciliation, followed by another bitter feud, rinse and repeat, ad infinitum.

Which time period are we in now?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I do want to clarify Jeff was "Stupid" when he said that less people were buying LEAF...
I agree that suing a customer would be bad form... however, a non-customer who acts with malicious intent?
LOL.. its just a hobby...

I am am NOT leaving this board... I am just leaving Jeff and any other troll/distractor/etc that exists only to derail conversations and hurt the honest process of communication.
I suggest the rest of you who care about the business do the same.
BG

I will sue you for calling me stupid.

/BG mode.

I can't find a single post where I said less people were buying leaf. Apparently, some people read what they want to read.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

When it comes to BG and Jeff, I feel as though I'm watching a WWE storyline. Over the course of a few weeks (maybe months) they're best buds, then one turns on the other and they have a bitter feud, followed by someone else interjecting on both which leads to them having an "uneasy alliance" to team up against the 3rd party, followed by a period of time in which they don't interact at all, followed by a reconciliation, followed by another bitter feud, rinse and repeat, ad infinitum.

Which time period are we in now?

Sting/Luger from the good ol' WCW days?

 

[Brewer Andy]

Sting/Luger from the good ol' WCW days?

Or Sting/Luger from late WCW days. No one is interested in seeing it anymore and the watchers mostly have to sit through it to wait for something better that they haven't seen 300 times

 

[olerud363]

Or Sting/Luger from late WCW days. No one is interested in seeing it anymore and the watchers mostly have to sit through it to wait for something better that they haven't seen 300 times

Bingo!

Sent using the Freedom Card Board mobile app.

 

[SteelBrad]

Or Sting/Luger from late WCW days. No one is interested in seeing it anymore and the watchers mostly have to sit through it to wait for something better that they haven't seen 300 times

Lol

 

[Matsuicollector]

People collect what they want. We make what people want. If no one buys our cut signature products, we will quit making them.
At this time, there is tons of demand for cut signatures of personailities who (a) may never have cards otherwise or (b) can be more readily available to collectors at better price points, for those with budgets.

Hi Brian. I don't believe I've actually interacted with you before but I believe that with the above red bolded statements you are coming from a good place on these cuts. However, it is with the execution that leaves much to be desired. Would it be too much to ask for some actual card design with these cuts? Why have you decided to make your product simply little framed autographs? (It's hard to frame these Q's on a message boards without seeming like I'm attacking you, but that is not my intention). The obvious reason is to fit the signature. However, I would think nearly all of your autographs would at least fit something like this

And I would also think that a majority would able to fit the kind of window that collectors were accustomed to with the earlier sp legendary cuts products. Personally, while I also try to collect one auto of every yankee player to have a certified card autograph, I absolutely ignore these cut autograph products (whether it be yours, Tristar, or the Late SP legendary cuts autos) because they have fallen out of the realm of being a card IMO.

Also, I will have to disagree with the black bolded statement. I have not met one person who really enjoys the cards from these products. I know one person in particular who collects yankee autos that feels compelled to buy them simply because they exist, but he also thinks very poorly of the execution. The others who buy this product I assume are chasing the big hit. Thus, it would seem that the product sells due to the addictive nature of the hobby, whether it be the gambling aspect or the compulsive collecting, as opposed to actual customer satisfaction. I know you are a business first, but I think if you really cared about the collectors like you say you do, wouldn't more effort would be put into these?

I hope you haven't stopped reading this thread, as I would greatly appreciate a response. Again, I also hope that you have not taken anything I've said as malicious or an attack, as that was not my intention.

 

[hofvintagecollector]

Hi Brian. I don't believe I've actually interacted with you before but I believe that with the above red bolded statements you are coming from a good place on these cuts. However, it is with the execution that leaves much to be desired. Would it be too much to ask for some actual card design with these cuts? Why have you decided to make your product simply little framed autographs? (It's hard to frame these Q's on a message boards without seeming like I'm attacking you, but that is not my intention). The obvious reason is to fit the signature. However, I would think nearly all of your autographs would at least fit something like this

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/2004-SP-LEGENDARY-CUTS-JOE-DIMAGGIO-AUTO-91-111-/00/s/NTg2WDc3Mw==/z/RdgAAOxyGStRuROE/$T2eC16ZHJGEFFm+e7JHmBRuRODvphw~~60_3.JPG[/img

And I would also think that a majority would able to fit the kind of window that collectors were accustomed to with the earlier sp legendary cuts products. Personally, while I also try to collect one auto of every yankee player to have a certified card autograph, I absolutely ignore these cut autograph products (whether it be yours, Tristar, or the Late SP legendary cuts autos) because they have fallen out of the realm of being a card IMO.

Also, I will have to disagree with the black bolded statement. I have not met one person who really enjoys the cards from these products. I know one person in particular who collects yankee autos that feels compelled to buy them simply because they exist, but he also thinks very poorly of the execution. The others who buy this product I assume are chasing the big hit. Thus, it would seem that the product sells due to the addictive nature of the hobby, whether it be the gambling aspect or the compulsive collecting, as opposed to actual customer satisfaction. I know you are a business first, but I think if you really cared about the collectors like you say you do, wouldn't more effort would be put into these?

I hope you haven't stopped reading this thread, as I would greatly appreciate a response. Again, I also hope that you have not taken anything I've said as malicious or an attack, as that was not my intention.[/QUOTE]

Remove the team logo and player picture, would you still like it? Lack of licensing keeps the designs bland, no way around it

 

[Matsuicollector]

Remove the team logo and player picture, would you still like it? Lack of licensing keeps the designs bland, no way around it

EDIT - Missed the part about no player pictures.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

To be fair, to incorporate the player picture without logo, Panini had a contract with both the MLBPA and the individual retired players/estates to utilize their likenesses. Leaf has nothing.

 

[MansGame]

NT was awesome. I totally forgot they didn't have a license :lol:


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