I will never understand you prospectors

[jrinne]

People who don't understand prospecting usually don't understand all the facets of the game. Prospecting is part of the game. I prospect and collect both, everything I own for prospects is paid for and everything I have in my collection was bought with prospecting money. My wife uses my prospecting money to buy whatever she wants for our daughter. We prefer to keep our paychecks in our 401K, Savings and other investments. If you people thing Puig prices are insane wait til Jose Abreu defects.

 

[aaron41984]

Guess I hit on a very touchy subject.Sorry.

No, you answered your own question and you still just don't understand so don't worry about it. No prospectors are buying Puig right now, period. Those are baseball fans paying through the nose and those people are why prospectors do what they do.

There is potential to make money no matter how much you spend on a guy in the minors. Some quick flip (most likely after grading) and avoid any potential burn while others hold and risk it.

 

[phillyfan0417]

People who don't understand prospecting usually don't understand all the facets of the game. Prospecting is part of the game. I prospect and collect both, everything I own for prospects is paid for and everything I have in my collection was bought with prospecting money. My wife uses my prospecting money to buy whatever she wants for our daughter. We prefer to keep our paychecks in our 401K, Savings and other investments. If you people thing Puig prices are insane wait til Jose Abreu defects.

Thank you. I really dont think i could have said it better.

i had 5000 dollars of concrete work that basically cost me 1275 dollars.

I am going to buy a 60 inch HDTV for 1800 dollars which cost me a little over 500.

I bought satchel paige and roy campanella auto's for 700 and they cost me next to nothing.


All those saying you struck a nerve, you didnt, you're just beating on a dead horse and one no one really cares how you feel about.

 

[jrinne]

Thank you. I really dont think i could have said it better.

i had 5000 dollars of concrete work that basically cost me 1275 dollars.

I am going to buy a 60 inch HDTV for 1800 dollars which cost me a little over 500.

I bought satchel paige and roy campanella auto's for 700 and they cost me next to nothing.


All those saying you struck a nerve, you didnt, you're just beating on a dead horse and one no one really cares how you feel about.

Didn't JP buy a car with his prospecting money?

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Sports Cards by Freedom Card Board.com

 

[Jaypers]

Didn't JP buy a car with his prospecting money?

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Sports Cards by Freedom Card Board.com

No, he didn't.

 

[jrinne]

No, he didn't.

Ah, I thought I remember seeing a post years ago about a car. My bad.

 

[IUjapander]

Thank you. I really dont think i could have said it better.

i had 5000 dollars of concrete work that basically cost me 1275 dollars.

I am going to buy a 60 inch HDTV for 1800 dollars which cost me a little over 500.

I bought satchel paige and roy campanella auto's for 700 and they cost me next to nothing.


All those saying you struck a nerve, you didnt, you're just beating on a dead horse and one no one really cares how you feel about.

I'd have to think that you are an exception to rule. For all the prices you mentioned I bet there are a lot more prospectors that have to pay 7500 for 5000 in concrete.

I am a little disturbed by the hoarding cards trend (although I guess that isn't new). I guess that is prospecting by controlling the market, but I'm just not impressed looking at hundreds of the same cards.

But again lots of people do like seeing those so collect what you want, how you want, whatever you want.

 

[jrinne]

I'd have to think that you are an exception to rule. For all the prices you mentioned I bet there are a lot more prospectors that have to pay 7500 for 5000 in concrete.

I am a little disturbed by the hoarding cards trend (although I guess that isn't new). I guess that is prospecting by controlling the market, but I'm just not impressed looking at hundreds of the same cards.

But again lots of people do like seeing those so collect what you want, how you want, whatever you want.

You only have to look at them until you flip them. Then again all mine sit in a box in the basement so I really never look at them until the time comes.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I'd have to think that you are an exception to rule. For all the prices you mentioned I bet there are a lot more prospectors that have to pay 7500 for 5000 in concrete.

I am a little disturbed by the hoarding cards trend (although I guess that isn't new). I guess that is prospecting by controlling the market, but I'm just not impressed looking at hundreds of the same cards.

But again lots of people do like seeing those so collect what you want, how you want, whatever you want.

If its the exception than they are doing a good job.

I dont look at my stashes and marvel at them. I count what i have to box them up. I look at the things i buy for pennies on the dollar from those cards, like these:

Steve Carlton Autographed Baseball PSA DNA 9 5 | eBay

2005 UD Sweet Spot Signatures Steve Carlton Phillies HOF Auto Bat Barrel 4 5 | eBay

2004 Playoff Prime Cuts Steve Carlton Laundry Tag Patch RARE 1 1 | eBay


And tons of others.

 

[IUjapander]

If its the exception than they are doing a good job.

I dont look at my stashes and marvel at them. I count what i have to box them up. I look at the things i buy for pennies on the dollar from those cards, like these:

Steve Carlton Autographed Baseball PSA DNA 9 5 | eBay

2005 UD Sweet Spot Signatures Steve Carlton Phillies HOF Auto Bat Barrel 4 5 | eBay

2004 Playoff Prime Cuts Steve Carlton Laundry Tag Patch RARE 1 1 | eBay


And tons of others.

What I was trying to say is that for every successful prospector (you) I bet there are at least five losing money.

 

[jrinne]

What I was trying to say is that for every successful prospector (you) I bet there are at least five losing money.

I think what people fail to realize is that you cant just prospect the big names. The profit margin for the big names is slim, if you double your money thats fantastic. The money come with the low level prospects who are a flash in the pan. The majority of my money has been made with guys who are no longer in the Majors or are life long triple AAA guys. All these guys need is 1 good game and you can make 500 to 1000%. The HR derby also helps, Alex Rios.

 

[Wes]

Because... gambling! The rush you have when a prospect does well is the same one you get when you hit a draw in poker or pick a rising stock. You win and you lose. I've famously got about $10k into Montero that's worth probably $2k now, but I also was heavily invested in Posey, Lincecum, Kershaw and many others that helped enable me to graduate from college debt free.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Thank you. I really dont think i could have said it better.

i had 5000 dollars of concrete work that basically cost me 1275 dollars.

I am going to buy a 60 inch HDTV for 1800 dollars which cost me a little over 500.

I bought satchel paige and roy campanella auto's for 700 and they cost me next to nothing.


All those saying you struck a nerve, you didnt, you're just beating on a dead horse and one no one really cares how you feel about.

I don't mean to single out phillyfan here but we hear vague stories like this often, and obviously its not all good for the hobby. For example, surely, someone could've purchased the same items he did without having taken money out of the hobby. Not everyone likes the idea of having to pay for someone else's TV (although I'm sure phillyfan's a nice guy and everything) if they could've bought the same cards he sold for less money if he wasn't a middleman involved in the transaction to begin with.

Ideally, people in the hobby wouldn't have to sell cards to buy cards, TVs or concrete work. There's no way for us to truly understand how much money phillyfan really made in his example, or if he was actually better off working some full- or part-time job to come up with the cash.

Its interesting how some try to reinforce their own beliefs by saying "to each his own" and "I don't care what others think". Its more than odd to think people interested in being in a hobby community just by being on these boards don't care what others think, unless perhaps they just want to spout off their opinions all the time.

I suppose not caring what others think and having a certain lack of accountability is fine to a certain extent - after all, this is only a hobby - but lack of accountability where money is involved is mostly exploited by people interested in exploiting others,or is often said by people to relieve themselves of perceived guilt.

Its easy to go on and on about this particular aspect of the hobby I've brought up here. The real issue isn't people selling, the real issue is that people selling are sometimes (often?) unable or unwilling to balance what is generally viewed as what's good for the hobby with their own self-interest.

The interesting thing is that the "investing" only makes the cards someone else may want to collect (or invest in) more expensive.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I don't mean to single out phillyfan here but we hear vague stories like this often, and obviously its not all good for the hobby. For example, surely, someone could've purchased the same items he did without having taken money out of the hobby. Not everyone likes the idea of having to pay for someone else's TV (although I'm sure phillyfan's a nice guy and everything) if they could've bought the same cards he sold for less money if he wasn't a middleman involved in the transaction to begin with.

Ideally, people in the hobby wouldn't have to sell cards to buy cards, TVs or concrete work. There's no way for us to truly understand how much money phillyfan really made in his example, or if he was actually better off working some full- or part-time job to come up with the cash.

Its interesting how some try to reinforce their own beliefs by saying "to each his own" and "I don't care what others think". Its more than odd to think people interested in being in a hobby community just by being on these boards don't care what others think, unless perhaps they just want to spout off their opinions all the time.

I suppose not caring what others think and having a certain lack of accountability is fine to a certain extent - after all, this is only a hobby - but lack of accountability where money is involved is mostly exploited by people interested in exploiting others,or is often said by people to relieve themselves of perceived guilt.

Its easy to go on and on about this particular aspect of the hobby I've brought up here. The real issue isn't people selling, the real issue is that people selling are sometimes (often?) unable or unwilling to balance what is generally viewed as what's good for the hobby with their own self-interest.

The interesting thing is that the "investing" only makes the cards someone else may want to collect (or invest in) more expensive.

I would respond to you but we all know where you're coming from and your agenda and we've done this before.

To each his own although that isn't your perspective.

 

[hive17]

I don't mean to single out phillyfan here but we hear vague stories like this often, and obviously its not all good for the hobby. For example, surely, someone could've purchased the same items he did without having taken money out of the hobby. Not everyone likes the idea of having to pay for someone else's TV (although I'm sure phillyfan's a nice guy and everything) if they could've bought the same cards he sold for less money if he wasn't a middleman involved in the transaction to begin with.

Ideally, people in the hobby wouldn't have to sell cards to buy cards, TVs or concrete work. There's no way for us to truly understand how much money phillyfan really made in his example, or if he was actually better off working some full- or part-time job to come up with the cash.

Its interesting how some try to reinforce their own beliefs by saying "to each his own" and "I don't care what others think". Its more than odd to think people interested in being in a hobby community just by being on these boards don't care what others think, unless perhaps they just want to spout off their opinions all the time.

I suppose not caring what others think and having a certain lack of accountability is fine to a certain extent - after all, this is only a hobby - but lack of accountability where money is involved is mostly exploited by people interested in exploiting others,or is often said by people to relieve themselves of perceived guilt.

Its easy to go on and on about this particular aspect of the hobby I've brought up here. The real issue isn't people selling, the real issue is that people selling are sometimes (often?) unable or unwilling to balance what is generally viewed as what's good for the hobby with their own self-interest.

The interesting thing is that the "investing" only makes the cards someone else may want to collect (or invest in) more expensive.

Sigh...

It's these constant posts of yours that continually reveal your complete lack of understanding of where the hobby and the people buying from prospectors seperate.

Prospectors aren't making a killing off of other hobby members generally; they make their money off of people who casually stumble into the hype of a certain player and get swept up. Those people aren't in the hobby. They are spectators and tourists.

If anything, you should love that the prospectors are taking advantage of those people. The people that dramatically over-pay for hyped prospects have no real interest in the hobby. It's a certain level of contempt really; they couldn't bother to care about our hobby until they were duped by ESPN into believing the hype.

If you don't love the hobby, shouldn't the price of admission be higher for you?

Or am I off base and you just want to flex your sense of moral superiority over prospectors again?

 

[nosterbor]

"Everyone has their own opinion"......To myself
"To each his own"............................If they want
"Its their money"..............................To send thousands $$$$ on a player who has never played in the majors.
"Opinion's are like ass ho les everyone has one"..........Then myself
" If it weren't for ass ho les everyone would be full of sh it"...... Thinks, they are still.

 

[shayscards79]

Spill blood. Nice reference.

 

[shayscards79]

 

[predatorkj]

Unique, I don't think a lot of people these days care about the hobby. I think there are more and more sellers in the hobby now. eBay has helped that along. But you'll never force anyone to care about the hobby. For some, it's all about making money. A lot of people think its easy and they try it. Some won and some lost. It usually depends on how sharp you are when it comes to what you invest in. And honestly man, prospects are a minute area in the hobby really. I'd say you can easily make money on guys who have been in the league and are stars. Because I can't count the times I've picked up cards for a really good deal and could easily triple my money. Sure it might only be $15 here or $20 there. But it would add up.

I don't prospect really and I don't sell either. And I do think it's weird that people rather focus on that than collecting. But you'll never agree or understand on the things others do. I know I don't. And I fear that box prices and the cyclical nature of the "hits" these days are far more harmful for the hobby than anything else. So given that you'll never totally agree or understand, what else is there to do but just collect how you see fit and call it a day? There is really nothing else to do.

 

[joey12508]

à chacun le sien.