OFFICIAL NEW YORK YANKEES OFFSEASON AND 2014 SEASON THREAD!

[maxe0213]

Hey all,

I'm a huge Yankee fan and I've seen these for other teams but haven't seen a Yankee one. Now this season was an interesting season to say the least for the Yankees. This offseason may be even more interesting. Feel free to discuss anything Yankees here! I love going back and forth on my team!

Please don't bring comments bashing the Yankees as I know there are a fair amount of people who dislike the Yankees out there Trying to keep this page on topic.


I'd like to pose a couple questions to the Yankees fans:

1. What do you think will happen with Robbie Cano?

2. Do you think they will shave payroll below 189 mil or do you think they will spend?

 

[BBCgalaxee]

Huge interesting off season. Should be fun.

This thread should also be fun.....until someone derails it which is basically guaranteed.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

LETS GO METS!!!

 

[joey12508]

I hope cano walks he's not worth a 10 year contract or even a 7 year. I hope giradi comes back.
have no faith in the ownership to spend. really miss George. great thread should be fun.

 

[maxe0213]

Huge interesting off season. Should be fun.

This thread should also be fun.....until someone derails it which is basically guaranteed.

Yeah I realize it probably will be derailed. But I think its cool to have threads dedicated to teams so people can talk Yanks in one place. Hope they bring Girardi back. Sometimes he makes me pull my hair out but with that team he had all year he did a damn good job.

LETS GO METS!!!

Thanks for that.

I hope cano walks he's not worth a 10 year contract or even a 7 year. I hope giradi comes back.
have no faith in the ownership to spend. really miss George. great thread should be fun.

I agree with two out of your three points. I would like to see them not retain cano unless they can get him on a five year deal say 125 mil or something comparable. No more years than five though. I also hope Girardi is back.

However, I disagree with your ownership spending comment. After this season Hal has already been talking about pulling off the self imposed mandate of 189 million because the benefits of going below that much are not as beneficial as many thought it would be in the past few years. YES network viewing was down a lot as was attendance. They know if they can add some big players both of those ratings will go up which means more cash.

They will have tons of FA's and players leaving that I hope they don't go after old guys but I hope they are able to sign some solid 28-31 year olds to fill some of the shoes.

Envisioning the Rotation as:
Sabathia
Nova
Pineda
Phelps
Kuroda if he comes back or a likely free agent signee

Lineup is a bit harder at this point:
C: Stewart
1B: Tex
2B: ????
3B: ????
SS: Jeter (Jeter can't play a full year so I expect him and Nunez to continue sharing position)
LF: Soriano
CF: Gardner
RF: Ichiro
DH: ????

They have some room to make moves. Its just a question of if they will. The next wave of guys, Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin, etc. are getting closer but most are probably a year plus still away save maybe heathcott.

 

[vwnut13]

Buh bye Robbie.

 

[maxe0213]

Buh bye Robbie.

Sucks to lose a great player like this but I just can't stand those deals of 5+ years into the upper 30's. Its insane. Did anyone really think ARod would perform at 30 million dollar levels at age 40 or 41 or higher? Same with Pujols. Its extremely hard to perform to a 200 million dollar level.

 

[jrinne]

I hope cano walks he's not worth a 10 year contract or even a 7 year. I hope giradi comes back.
have no faith in the ownership to spend. really miss George. great thread should be fun.

Joe goes to the cubs.

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[zach]

Cano will have a challenge finding a team at that price. Not many can afford that and those that can at already tied up in big money.

I disagree with wanting Girardi back. I'm indifferent about his return.

As for Jeter , this could be a DH season for him.

I doubt Kuroda will return. I think he will want to finish out his career in Japan.

In all, the Yankees have a lot of work to do in the off season.

 

[zach]

LETS GO METS!!!

well that didn't take long

 

[olerud363]

There have been rumours in Toronto that the Jays might enter the Cano sweepstakes, but with the contract he's seeking I'm not holding my breath. It's thought that he's probably at his peak now and the majority of the new contract would be during his "declining" years.

Do Yankee fans think he's worth the money he's looking for?

- Rodrick

 

[dano7]

I hope the Yankees can sign Cano for a shorter contract, but there is no way they should give him what he is asking.
Next year could be a really tough one, especially if they keep their spending down. I wonder if that will be affected if Arod is suspended for the season....whether his salary would count against the team or not.
To not have made it into the playoffs this year, I was still very happy with how Mariano conducted himself throughout the year and the very emotional send off at his last game at Yankee Stadium. I was also happy to see Pettitte go out with a win and with class.
I'm very proud of the way the team kept playing hard and being in the playoff picture as long as they were with all of the injuries this season.
DANNY

 

[D-Lite]

"Interesting" is one word for the off season.

Girardi and Rothschild are both "free agents". I think they try to bring them back. Girardi did a nice job holding that team together considering all the injuries and the ARod thing. If you thought Torre was good, Girardi is a world better.

I'm betting they overhaul the minor league staff, though this draft class might delay that. Oppenheimer hasn't exactly wowed anyone with his efforts. And internationally they're falling behind.

The ARod suspension will seriously impact the plans with it's $27-28 million impact on that $189 million target. I think if he's out for the season that they go hard after a shorter but larger contract for Robbie, like 6 yrs $170. They already proposed 7/$161. The recent news that Girardi had in fact talked to Cano about how he dogs it up the line on grounders sets up some debate in the papers on his worth, especially as he ages.

The free agent class is powerful weak, so this may be a good time to rebuild slowly or make trades. Though the latter is hurt by the poor seasons the top prospects had.

My predicted roster:
C: Romine/Murphy, they trust Romine enough right now and spending money on a name free agent catcher with a lot of city miles is foolish
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano (gets done)
SS: Ryan (they love the D), maybe go for John McDonald
add in Jeter for some SS/DH split
3B: Mark Reynolds (righty power and plays the corners well)
Utl: Nunez
LF: Soriano
CF: Gardner
RF: Choo
SP: Sabathia
SP: Nova
SP: Phelps/Warren
SP: Dan Haren
SP: Nolasco
RP: Robertson
RP: Logan (re-signs)
RP: Betances
RP: Claiborne
RP: ???

Basically I see them sign Cano and bring in some place holders. I truly think they'll be getting help in the OF and C from the minors by 2015 and Banuelos should be an option then as well.

 

[maxe0213]

My predicted roster:
C: Romine/Murphy, they trust Romine enough right now and spending money on a name free agent catcher with a lot of city miles is foolish
1B: Teixeira
2B: Cano (gets done)
SS: Ryan (they love the D), maybe go for John McDonald
add in Jeter for some SS/DH split
3B: Mark Reynolds (righty power and plays the corners well)
Utl: Nunez
LF: Soriano
CF: Gardner
RF: Choo
SP: Sabathia
SP: Nova
SP: Phelps/Warren
SP: Dan Haren
SP: Nolasco
RP: Robertson
RP: Logan (re-signs)
RP: Betances
RP: Claiborne
RP: ???

Basically I see them sign Cano and bring in some place holders. I truly think they'll be getting help in the OF and C from the minors by 2015 and Banuelos should be an option then as well.

I respect your opinion but that lineup would make me gag. No way do they go after nolasco and haren. Nolasco is an NL pitcher and haren is done. That bullpen would get shelled. I like the choo addition but I don't think there's anyway they have Ryan and Reynolds starting for them. They are already having a lot of money come off the books an if arod is suspended that's even more. I expect them to try and bring in some impact players like choo and others without a doubt.

Cano isn't worth anything more than 5 more years. I expect girardi back as well. I think the Cubs have a nice job opening but Epstein is said to favor others over joe

 

[D-Lite]

I respect your opinion but that lineup would make me gag. No way do they go after nolasco and haren. Nolasco is an NL pitcher and haren is done. That bullpen would get shelled. I like the choo addition but I don't think there's anyway they have Ryan and Reynolds starting for them. They are already having a lot of money come off the books an if arod is suspended that's even more. I expect them to try and bring in some impact players like choo and others without a doubt.

Cano isn't worth anything more than 5 more years. I expect girardi back as well. I think the Cubs have a nice job opening but Epstein is said to favor others over joe

Cano isn't worth more than 5 years but he's going to get it. If you're not willing to spend on him, not sure who else you think we are spending money on for the lineup. Not saying I love that lineup either but have you looked at the free agent class? Choo is the most obvious fit and the better of the names not Cano.

'tis why I said trades are likely the better bet, but not counting on much.

After the current guys under contract including the 40-man roster people, they have already $110-ish million committed. Add $25M for Cano, you're at $135 million. And you have to replace half the roster. If you're staying under the $189M, you have $50-60M to spend. Who are you spending that money on? You're not getting the lineup you (or anyone) wants for that.

 

[maxe0213]

Cano isn't worth more than 5 years but he's going to get it. If you're not willing to spend on him, not sure who else you think we are spending money on for the lineup. Not saying I love that lineup either but have you looked at the free agent class? Choo is the most obvious fit and the better of the names not Cano.

'tis why I said trades are likely the better bet, but not counting on much.

After the current guys under contract including the 40-man roster people, they have already $110-ish million committed. Add $25M for Cano, you're at $135 million. And you have to replace half the roster. If you're staying under the $189M, you have $50-60M to spend. Who are you spending that money on? You're not getting the lineup you (or anyone) wants for that.

I don't expect or want Cano back.

From what I found online the Yanks have the following players resigned for next year:
Sabathia, Tex, Jeter if he picks up his player option which I would assume he will, Rodriguez, Wells, Soriano, Ichiro.

The Huge wild card is if ARod gets suspended for the year. Then his huge contract doesn't count for next year and would give a ton of room. Even so the Yanks have more room than most believe but they do have lots of holes.

Arbitration players are: Gardner, Pineda, Kelley, Robertson, Cervelli, Nix, Nova, Stewart. Those guys will likely all receive raises besides maybe Cervelli and Pineda.

The Free Agents we lost are:
Robinson Cano, Joba Chamberlain, Curtis Granderson, Travis Hafner, Phil Hughes, Hiroki Kuroda, Boone Logan, Lyle Overbay, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Kevin Youkilis

So from the looks of things the Yanks need the following: a 2B, OF(Replace Grandy), 3 Starters, A Lefty Specialist, Closer and whatever else they deem that they need:

They have approx 89 Mil already divided up to those players under contract. Add the arbitration guys and I agree its probably around 110 plus or minus 5 million.

So they will be at around 70ish million to spend on FA's. IF Arod is suspended then that increases to around 100 million to spend.

Some players I would like to see targeted:
2B: Alexi Casilla or Infante. Zobrist if he doesn't go back to the Rays
OF: I hope they go after Cruz. But if he gets too expensive I'd like to see them pursue Choo, Beltran, or Morse
Bullpen help: Rodney or Benoit (However, I think that after one signing they can fill the rest of their bullpen with the minors or whoever they have)
3 Starters: Lincecum, Hudson, Garza, Chris Carpenter are all guys they should look at. However, I think the rotation will consist Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps and one FA Signing.
They may also need a 3B: I'd look at Michael Young or Uribe

Obviously they can't sign all of those guys. But if they could have a rotation like this
Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps, Garza/Lincecum/Hudson

and a lineup like this:
C: Stewart/Romine
1B: Tex
2B: Casilla
3B: Young
SS: Jeter
OF: Soriano
OF: Gardner
OF: Choo/Cruz

I think we make compete for the division and have a solid shot to win with a lineup similar to that and rotation like that and that can be done for under 70 million a year.


Sorry for the long read!

 

[D-Lite]

I don't expect or want Cano back.

He's the best available free agent by miles. And at a premium position. And he's homegrown. Without him no addition is close to filling the void.

Some players I would like to see targeted:
2B: Alexi Casilla or Infante. Zobrist if he doesn't go back to the Rays
OF: I hope they go after Cruz. But if he gets too expensive I'd like to see them pursue Choo, Beltran, or Morse
Bullpen help: Rodney or Benoit (However, I think that after one signing they can fill the rest of their bullpen with the minors or whoever they have)
3 Starters: Lincecum, Hudson, Garza, Chris Carpenter are all guys they should look at. However, I think the rotation will consist Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps and one FA Signing.
They may also need a 3B: I'd look at Michael Young or Uribe

While the names you list are all at the top of the free agent list, none are exactly attractive. Choo is the best fit and Morse is seriously flawed as a hitter.
No Cruz: they will distance themselves from the PED guys
Beltran is too old to invest anything in. You keep Granderson over him. And Young is old and no better than Reynolds in terms of offense. Plus Reynolds plays above average 1B and 3B.
All those starters are old or damaged goods. Carpenter has made a career of being on the DL, Garza played the last month injured, Lincecum is going to cost way more than he's worth at this point.
Please no Rodney. $$$ for bipolar skill set and performance. Benoit would be nice.

Obviously they can't sign all of those guys. But if they could have a rotation like this
Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps, Garza/Lincecum/Hudson

Hudson is hardly a guarantee to come back at his age and after that injury.
Pineda may never pitch again. The shoulder was "tight" at the end of the season. I think he has a good chance to come back, but he should not and will not be penciled into the rotation by the team.

I'm not saying they shouldn't try to sign any of these guys, but they need to cut bait at this point.

 

[maxe0213]

He's the best available free agent by miles. And at a premium position. And he's homegrown. Without him no addition is close to filling the void.

While the names you list are all at the top of the free agent list, none are exactly attractive. Choo is the best fit and Morse is seriously flawed as a hitter.
No Cruz: they will distance themselves from the PED guys
Beltran is too old to invest anything in. You keep Granderson over him. And Young is old and no better than Reynolds in terms of offense. Plus Reynolds plays above average 1B and 3B.
All those starters are old or damaged goods. Carpenter has made a career of being on the DL, Garza played the last month injured, Lincecum is going to cost way more than he's worth at this point.
Please no Rodney. $$$ for bipolar skill set and performance. Benoit would be nice.


Hudson is hardly a guarantee to come back at his age and after that injury.
Pineda may never pitch again. The shoulder was "tight" at the end of the season. I think he has a good chance to come back, but he should not and will not be penciled into the rotation by the team.

I'm not saying they shouldn't try to sign any of these guys, but they need to cut bait at this point.

I would much rather have Beltran on a 2 year deal than Granderson. Beltran can hit for an average instead of only strike out and only hit homeruns. Cruz would be a great sign. Might be able to have him for a 2 to 3 year deal as teams are scared from PED's. Choo I think they will make a strong play for.

I'm not saying "Give these old guys 5+ year deals." The free agent pools get stronger after this year and the prospects get closer so all I'm saying is if you can get these guys on 2 to 3 year deals then why not.

I think Pineda has a solid chance to be in the rotation next year. I also think Kuroda has a chance to be brought back. I would rather have Young. Reynolds is the typical strike out or home run hitter that the yankees already have a ton of. Young can hit singles, doubles and knows how to play the game.

I'm not sure that Lincecum is going to cost a ton but he could be a great addition. I hope they go for garza on a 2-3 year deal if they can. I think he can be better than last year.

 

[maxe0213]

Alex Rodriguez sues MLB over PED investigation - ESPN New York

 

[elmalo]

I don't expect or want Cano back.

From what I found online the Yanks have the following players resigned for next year:
Sabathia, Tex, Jeter if he picks up his player option which I would assume he will, Rodriguez, Wells, Soriano, Ichiro.

The Huge wild card is if ARod gets suspended for the year. Then his huge contract doesn't count for next year and would give a ton of room. Even so the Yanks have more room than most believe but they do have lots of holes.

Arbitration players are: Gardner, Pineda, Kelley, Robertson, Cervelli, Nix, Nova, Stewart. Those guys will likely all receive raises besides maybe Cervelli and Pineda.

The Free Agents we lost are:
Robinson Cano, Joba Chamberlain, Curtis Granderson, Travis Hafner, Phil Hughes, Hiroki Kuroda, Boone Logan, Lyle Overbay, Andy Pettitte, Mariano Rivera, Kevin Youkilis

So from the looks of things the Yanks need the following: a 2B, OF(Replace Grandy), 3 Starters, A Lefty Specialist, Closer and whatever else they deem that they need:

They have approx 89 Mil already divided up to those players under contract. Add the arbitration guys and I agree its probably around 110 plus or minus 5 million.

So they will be at around 70ish million to spend on FA's. IF Arod is suspended then that increases to around 100 million to spend.

Some players I would like to see targeted:
2B: Alexi Casilla or Infante. Zobrist if he doesn't go back to the Rays
OF: I hope they go after Cruz. But if he gets too expensive I'd like to see them pursue Choo, Beltran, or Morse
Bullpen help: Rodney or Benoit (However, I think that after one signing they can fill the rest of their bullpen with the minors or whoever they have)
3 Starters: Lincecum, Hudson, Garza, Chris Carpenter are all guys they should look at. However, I think the rotation will consist Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps and one FA Signing.
They may also need a 3B: I'd look at Michael Young or Uribe

Obviously they can't sign all of those guys. But if they could have a rotation like this
Sabathia, Pineda, Nova, Phelps, Garza/Lincecum/Hudson

and a lineup like this:
C: Stewart/Romine
1B: Tex
2B: Casilla
3B: Young
SS: Jeter
OF: Soriano
OF: Gardner
OF: Choo/Cruz

I think we make compete for the division and have a solid shot to win with a lineup similar to that and rotation like that and that can be done for under 70 million a year.


Sorry for the long read!

Why in Gods name would you not want Cano back?