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Why do most fans assume Ken Griffey, Jr. didn't use PEDs?
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nappyd
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Didn't his cleat size increase too?
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nappyd
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I thought it was that he didn't stretch, not that he didn't work out
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Pinbreaker
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Some used steroids to get healthy sooner like Mike Morse. He got hurt and was someone said to take XX to make you heal faster.. He took it once or twice and said it didn't work for him so he quit.. They found it in his system years later..
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2154494
As for Griffey, I watched him here in Seattle, and he got hurt running into center field wall and running on astroturf.. same as Cincy.. If he would have played on grass fields, I don't think he would have had the knee injuries he had..
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2154494
As for Griffey, I watched him here in Seattle, and he got hurt running into center field wall and running on astroturf.. same as Cincy.. If he would have played on grass fields, I don't think he would have had the knee injuries he had..
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Austin
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Griffey didn't just have turf and wall related injuries.
He tore his hamstring tendons three times in Cincinnati.
That can be indicative of tendons not being able to handle new quick muscle growth, a common injury in steroid users.
Griffey may have been using steroids to recover from other injuries, and it caused a domino effect in causing other injuries.
I just think it's odd how all the old greats like Mays, Aaron, Jackie, Ruth, etc. played with inferior training styles, yet never had chronic injuries like almost every modern slugger.
Practically every great steroid user like McGwire, Bonds, Arod, Sosa, Manny, Juan Gonzalez, broke down and their bodies fell apart because their tendons couldn't handle the new strength.
It's really hard to believe that Griffey was just made of glass and kept injuring his hand, wrist, ankle, shoulders, hamstrings, etc.
Mays, Clemente, Jackie and Aaron played just as hard as Griffey.
It's not an excuse to say Griffey played on turf and crashed into walls when hundreds of other players did too, both now and before, and weren't getting hurt all the time.
Turf was first used in stadiums in the '60s.
PujolsCollector
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I have just never thought of Griffey Jr as a steroid user. He was consistent he was often hurt and just had a great homerun swing.
joey12508
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Every one who played in that era is suspect, kinda sucks to. also the ones still using today. nothing would surprise me anymore.
sportscardtheory
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No smoke, no fire. Simply saying that he may have isn't smoke.
MansGame
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It's funny.... Read this thread and in your head, replace Griffey or Jr. or whatever with ARod and just think that you're reading this like 5 or 6 years ago.
Some of these statements which are made with broad strokes, could be remembered being said about ARod when we all thought he was the clean model player.
For the record, I think Griffey is clean but it's funny how wrong we were about ARod and I wouldn't be surprised if it ever came out that he was on roids. Just saying, would you?
Some of these statements which are made with broad strokes, could be remembered being said about ARod when we all thought he was the clean model player.
For the record, I think Griffey is clean but it's funny how wrong we were about ARod and I wouldn't be surprised if it ever came out that he was on roids. Just saying, would you?
bongo870
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Ken had one of the most beautiful swings in baseball history. We was a natural hitter. If he had been on roids his numbers would of doubled...
I keep an open mind:
1.) It is suspicious that Griffey Jr. kept breaking down for a time when he was with the Reds.
2.) Doesn't really matter - if he was doing something that is a 'no-no,' more power to him that he didn't let anything slip and be an all out circus like the other PED guys of his era - looks like karma bit him in the behind anyways, so no harm no foul.
3.) If he was healthy for a longer stretch - he might have had 800 home runs or more.
1.) It is suspicious that Griffey Jr. kept breaking down for a time when he was with the Reds.
2.) Doesn't really matter - if he was doing something that is a 'no-no,' more power to him that he didn't let anything slip and be an all out circus like the other PED guys of his era - looks like karma bit him in the behind anyways, so no harm no foul.
3.) If he was healthy for a longer stretch - he might have had 800 home runs or more.
weight333
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If you've never read 'Game of Shadows', I'd definitely recommend it. It goes in depth about exactly what the players were using. According to the book, Bonds pretty much used everything under the sun. Testosterone, trenbolone, deca, winstrol, hgh, and even insulin. He contiuned to use higher and higher doses even though his trainer Greg Anderson advised against it. I believe by 2006-07 Bonds playing weight was close to 250. Palmeiro tested positive for winstrol which is a steroid that won't add much size or water retention but will help increase power/strength. A-Rod was known for primobolin, another steroid that is not highly androgenic. Bonds discontinued winstrol after '99 because he believed it was responsible for his elbow injury.
bongo870
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I see your point but to say that if players get hurt they "used" is just wrong. I don't know if he used or not. But there is always someone out there looking to make money with what they know. unless Ken made the drugs himself someone had to know about it if he took them..
when he was with the reds he has already played for 11 years. that is a long time for someone who playe as hard as he did. He was getting older and old injuries will haunt you by then
so your saying he did use? he kept people quiet?
you can say that about any ball player. When i was young i smashed up my ancle playing baseball. I could not walk for 6 months. years later as a skater/biker atleast 2-3 times a year i had a cast on my foot beacuse my ancle was a mess. I was always hurting it in the smallest things. does that mean I was useing? Who knows if Ken had hurt his hammy or wrist as a kid bad and as he got older it got worse. Doesnt mean he used...
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Have you ever considered that maybe his numbers were doubled because he was using?
I would like to think he wasn't using and would love to agree with you on this, but one thing I've learned through this whole era is that none of us have any idea who did what. All people of all shapes of all levels of all positions of all body types for different reasons, used. I do not understand how after all these years people are still willing to be - for lack of a better word - arrogant about who they "know" did and didn't do what. With all we know, and all we know we don't know, it's bordeline ignorance at this point. Speculation and having an opinion is one thing. Stating opinion as fact is another.
ccouch (Chad)
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For years, and when evidence of PDA usage was virtually smacking them in the face, many sports fans were adamant that their guy wasn't juicing. Mark McGwire. Barry Bonds. Lance Armstrong. The list goes on... and on... and on. The Armstrong one is the one that still gets me. We were really supposed to believe that this guy was the only clean guy in a sport (AND WINNING!) where pretty much EVERYBODY was dirty? How stupid was that? And at one point just prior to his admission, there was a poll that indicated that 60% of Americans believed he was clean. How stupid!
So the point is this. If one doesn't want to believe that his guy is juicing even when it is as clear as day that he is, how are we to expect people to believe that a guy like Griffey is juicing when there really is none of the evidence that existed with those who were in fact juicing (ESPECIALLY that those guilty parties got BETTER in their 30's as opposed to worse).
So the point is this. If one doesn't want to believe that his guy is juicing even when it is as clear as day that he is, how are we to expect people to believe that a guy like Griffey is juicing when there really is none of the evidence that existed with those who were in fact juicing (ESPECIALLY that those guilty parties got BETTER in their 30's as opposed to worse).
Griffey was the innocence of my childhood. He was the innocence of an entire generation's childhood. He had a shoe line, video game series, an iconic RC that launched a card company and a smile that made grandmas take notice.
Nobody else has even came close to being as loved while being an absolute rock star. Nobody close.
If we can't hold onto the thought that The Kid never did PED's then everyone was dirty. I simply refuse to believe he took anything and that's good enough for me.
Nobody else has even came close to being as loved while being an absolute rock star. Nobody close.
If we can't hold onto the thought that The Kid never did PED's then everyone was dirty. I simply refuse to believe he took anything and that's good enough for me.
Super Mario
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The thought's crossed my mind several times regarding KGJ.
michaelstepper
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This is actually true. Look at his weight. (I know they're a round about number) but he didn't fluctuate much. Body was never bulky and he played hard. Resulting in the injuries that plagued him in the second half of his career. Then the injuries and stardom factor also kicked in and he became less inclined to stay fit.. Look at his last mariner years. There are plenty of 40 year olds in great shape.. He was not one of them. Loved to watch him play but he let himself go a bit. And I truly believe he was clean
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