What if there was a standard pay scale???

[elmalo]

No pay scale. Players deserve whatever they are offered. If someone offers Ellsbury 20 million a year than good for him.

 

[jbhofmann]

So the players should make MORE than they already are? lol ;-)

The problem with your model is that the owner assumes all of the risk. Baseball players assume none of the risk because the contract is guaranteed.

The NFL is the opposite. The players assume all of the risk and owners can cut them to get out of a bad contract.

 

[sportscardtheory]

The problem with your model is that the owner assumes all of the risk. Baseball players assume none of the risk because the contract is guaranteed.

The NFL is the opposite. The players assume all of the risk and owners can cut them to get out of a bad contract.

And more of the pie goes to the NFL and it's owners than in MLB, I assume. I watch sports to see the players on the field, not to line the pockets of leagues and owners.

 

[maxe0213]

No pay scale. Players deserve whatever they are offered. If someone offers Ellsbury 20 million a year than good for him.

Yep. Who cares what they are paying the players?

If you don't want them to pay that much then get thousands and thousands of people to stop going to games, stop watching, stop buying merchandise and the owners will lose money and the salaries will decrease. Simple as that.

 

[hoopster3977]

The problem with your model is that the owner assumes all of the risk. Baseball players assume none of the risk because the contract is guaranteed.

The NFL is the opposite. The players assume all of the risk and owners can cut them to get out of a bad contract.

The NFL is a thug sport. Typical conservative view on wage earners. Put all the risk on the employee while the owners reap all the profit with no risk.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

No pay scale. Players deserve whatever they are offered. If someone offers Ellsbury 20 million a year than good for him.

It's absolutely good for the player , that's not who I blame. Us/we pay for that 20m a year though through tickets , cable prices etc. So if I want to help pay for a team I wish it was based on something more than we can spend the $, sign the check. It all got screwed up over time and it became play money.

Ryan

 

[rum151man]

Like working for a minimum wage?

Min wage??? Were talking millions of dollars, & they are disgustingly overpaid.

You have to start somewhere, & you advance as you deserve to.

 

[hoopster3977]

Min wage??? Were talking millions of dollars, & they are disgustingly overpaid.

You have to start somewhere, & you advance as you deserve to.

Advance and taking advantage of another's misfortune to make a buck? Lot's of backstabber's out there and you have no remorse?

 

[rum151man]

Advance and taking advantage of another's misfortune to make a buck? Lot's of backstabber's out there and you have no remorse?

How do you even make a statement saying I would have no remorse???? If a person is rewarded for their hard work than good for them. If a person is rewarded a position they don't deserve then I believe it would catch up with them in the long run.

& to answer your question if I deserved my advancement then I would hope the next person in line would get their shot next. Someone getting what they deserve doesn't always involve someone else's misfortune.

 

[Therion]

Didn't the XFL try this very thing? I don't recall it working out for them.

 

[rum151man]

Didn't the XFL try this very thing? I don't recall it working out for them.

Were talking the XFL here, nothing worked for them except the cheerleaders in the stands......

& Rod Smart aka He Hate Me

 

[rum151man]

Advance and taking advantage of another's misfortune to make a buck? Lot's of backstabber's out there and you have no remorse?

If I was a pro athlete & someone came in & out performed me & won the job fair & square then so be it. And to me for instance a new young gun comes in and unexpectedly outperformed pujols that player deserves the spot & under this structure he would be paid more than pujols if he outperformed him. Now there would be no way they would just let pujols sit around on the bench making that kind of $$$ and the youngster isn't giving the shot he deserves.

I came up through college and earned my starting spot at SS over the starter from the previous year, most the sophomores didn't like it but I earned my spot. & the following year we had a new coach & I had to earn to keep my starting spot over 2 draft & follow shortstops & I did, & if I would have lost my spot to a better player then I would have wanted what's best for my team.

 

[elmalo]

It's absolutely good for the player , that's not who I blame. Us/we pay for that 20m a year though through tickets , cable prices etc. So if I want to help pay for a team I wish it was based on something more than we can spend the $, sign the check. It all got screwed up over time and it became play money.

Ryan

So if you arent satisfied with the product than don't support it with your money. The players are the ones who generate the money for the franchise so why should they not be paid accordingly?

 

[maxe0213]

Didn't the XFL try this very thing? I don't recall it working out for them.

Yeah.

It would never work in any sport no matter what.

 

[Lars]

Players in baseball are indentured to their teams for six years - doesn't mean they are slaving away for their masters but for a all-star / superstar talent, it may mean their true earning ability is capped if they can't just jump from team to team early in their MLB careers.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

So if you arent satisfied with the product than don't support it with your money. The players are the ones who generate the money for the franchise so why should they not be paid accordingly?

I enjoy the sport , not the salaries of those who don't produce or are overpaid because of certain reasons a team signed them. I am not upset with high salaries. Miguel Cabrera for example could have earned $50m each of the last two seasons and I would of said cool, he's getting the money based on performance and wouldn't bother me at all. Again , I don't mind high salaries and don't mind "helping pay" for the teams salaries with tickets , sports packages etc at all if I'm getting my monies worth for that product. What I do mind is high salaries based on factors that make them overpaid. I totally get the economics of the player generating the revenue , but as some of my examples of just this free agency with $20m+ contact per year of Choo and Ellsbury, those players are not the caliber or draw of those who "deserve" those salaries. Their salaries are derived from being able to write a check of that amount. An average player like Stephen Drew made 9.5m last year, what justified that? Does he draw in people? I'd say no. Does his name help in TV contracts? I'd say no. Is he worth a base salary $1m and some incentives taking him up to $3m or so, probably , def not 9.5m.

I see a lot of people saying they don't want to owners to pocket the $, ok, but if they had more $ they wouldn't have to rely on subsidies and taxpayer $ to pay for stadiums etc. It would be interesting to see how voting for stadiums and funding would be if salaries didn't get out of control and the voters could point to the owners as being the responsible party.

Yes, this is a simplification of the effect, and yes it's just a dream, but that's my opinion.



Ryan

 

[Lars]

Who the hell is paying the average players? It's the billionaire owners getting an influx of new money.

Salaries of yesterday's average players have bumped up accordingly.

 

[scotty216brs]

I don't mind the players getting the $ if the performance warrants it. $20m/year plus for players like Ellsbury , Choo , etc those drive me nuts. I know it's different sports but to think someone like LeBron isn't making that type of $, I cringe that "good" far from great players who aren't players that draw in people are getting those salaries.

Ryan

lol LeBron is making over $19million so you can't really argue that he is not making that kind of money. Add in his advertisement revenue and he's a $30+million player. Not to mention the average salary in baseball is much higher than it is in the NBA, so it's a bit apples and oranges. LeBron would be making at least $25 million/ in the baseball market.

I enjoy the sport , not the salaries of those who don't produce or are overpaid because of certain reasons a team signed them. I am not upset with high salaries. Miguel Cabrera for example could have earned $50m each of the last two seasons and I would of said cool, he's getting the money based on performance and wouldn't bother me at all. Again , I don't mind high salaries and don't mind "helping pay" for the teams salaries with tickets , sports packages etc at all if I'm getting my monies worth for that product. What I do mind is high salaries based on factors that make them overpaid. I totally get the economics of the player generating the revenue , but as some of my examples of just this free agency with $20m+ contact per year of Choo and Ellsbury, those players are not the caliber or draw of those who "deserve" those salaries. Their salaries are derived from being able to write a check of that amount. An average player like Stephen Drew made 9.5m last year, what justified that? Does he draw in people? I'd say no. Does his name help in TV contracts? I'd say no. Is he worth a base salary $1m and some incentives taking him up to $3m or so, probably , def not 9.5m.

As much as I dislike Stephen Drew, his salary is justified by the fact that he helped the Red Sox win a World Series so he is not the best player to make your point. And the only reason he even made that much is so the Red Sox wouldn't have had to sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract. (Less years = Higher AAV)


BTW all of the new kids like to justify salarys using the 'WAR' statistic. They say a 1 WAR is equivalent to $5million. Whether or not I agree with that, it shows that Stephen Drew was actually more valuable than he was paid, with a WAR of 3 or $15million of production.


Incentive laden contracts are great for players coming back from injuries trying to prove their worth, but most players are not interested in them because other teams will make a much higher offer without the incentives taking a chance that they will produce to expectations. Players will always go after the guaranteed money, which is why a lot of FA are asking for 5-7 year deals.

 

[Y4NK335]

Didn't really read over the thread, but in short, I believe there should be a minimum floor that each team has to meet or they get penalized to accompany the soft 189 cap that penalizes teams that go over.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

lol LeBron is making over $19million so you can't really argue that he is not making that kind of money. Add in his advertisement revenue and he's a $30+million player. Not to mention the average salary in baseball is much higher than it is in the NBA, so it's a bit apples and oranges. LeBron would be making at least $25 million/ in the baseball market.



As much as I dislike Stephen Drew, his salary is justified by the fact that he helped the Red Sox win a World Series so he is not the best player to make your point. And the only reason he even made that much is so the Red Sox wouldn't have had to sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract. (Less years = Higher AAV)


BTW all of the new kids like to justify salarys using the 'WAR' statistic. They say a 1 WAR is equivalent to $5million. Whether or not I agree with that, it shows that Stephen Drew was actually more valuable than he was paid, with a WAR of 3 or $15million of production.


Incentive laden contracts are great for players coming back from injuries trying to prove their worth, but most players are not interested in them because other teams will make a much higher offer without the incentives taking a chance that they will produce to expectations. Players will always go after the guaranteed money, which is why a lot of FA are asking for 5-7 year deals.

You are correct in that I worded LeBrons "that kind of money" incorrectly. But he isn't making $20m a year and these guys are turning down offers like that. I also stated it was a different sport, my point was he "is the guy" of the NBA, and over a 7 year span he makes $126 mil and Ellsbury makes $27m more ($153m). Yes I have an issue with that. Yes there are more games etc, but I am basing on worth for a season not per game.

LeBrons or anyone else who gets the advertising revenue, that's basically showing that the top guy who performs gets those $, not the average guy. The MJs , LeBrons , Griffeys , Durants , Kobe's , Jeters etc are the ones generating the ad $ , and deserving, but they are not the only ones generating the top salaries, a lot of "good/average/bad" players also fall into that category. That's where the issue is

Stephen Drew was my example because when I think Stephen Drew, I don't think of anyone who deserves 9.5m . It can't be looked at that they won the WS it was deserving , it should be a bonus maybe for winning , but he would have got the same salary if he hit .165 , 1hr and 12rbis and the Sox didn't make the playoffs. That's where I wish it was a base plus performance. I know I've never said that WAR equaled 5m per , but if that's the going rate hey pay SD 15m I guess. In 2012 was he worth 7.5m in your eyes? I took out the Sox winning the series to justify salary on.

Obviously not everyone has the same opinion I do, it's just my opinions

Ryan