Vintage and hall of fame patches

[A_Pharis]

Ok. Liking those.

 

[16christensen16]

The rest of my 2005 legendary cuts olivas

 

[homerun28aa]

Wow! If the rest of your Twins collection is anything like that I'm sure it's incredible!

 

[16christensen16]

The rest of my twins collection is similiAr. You already saw my killebrews. Still have carew, puckett, blyleven, molitor. Of course some modern guys like mauer, morneau, Santana, hunter....so on and so on

 

[homerun28aa]

From what I was told by someone who deals with PSA quite often, they don't make any effort to authenticate the card. They will take a look at the edges and corners and simply grade the card as is without trying to make any determination whether or not the patch was altered from the original. Would explain why the Bernie card is a 7.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

From what I was told by someone who deals with PSA quite often, they don't make any effort to authenticate the card. They will take a look at the edges and corners and simply grade the card as is without trying to make any determination whether or not the patch was altered from the original. Would explain why the Bernie card is a 7.

Either does beckett, the problem I have is the patch is patch is part of the card, finding out if the patch is legit or not should be part of the process as they do for authenticating autos. Sure it would be a tough task but if us boardies whom have other jobs that are not card related can tell if something is fake why wouldn't their so called professionals? I mean these guy have careers and jobs related to cards!

 

[A_Pharis]

Yeah. BGS nor PSA authenticate the materials.

 

[homerun28aa]

Either does beckett, the problem I have is the patch is patch is part of the card, finding out if the patch is legit or not should be part of the process as they do for authenticating autos. Sure it would be a tough task but if us boardies whom have other jobs that are not card related can tell if something is fake why wouldn't their so called professionals? I mean these guy have careers and jobs related to cards!

I 100% agree and what's worse is that by slabbing the card to the average collector these card companies are essentially putting their stamp of approval on it. The people who send these in couldn't care less if the card gets a 10 or a 6 as they're relying on ill informed bidders to treat it as legit when that isn't the case. I believe this issue will be brought to the attention of grading companies in the near future.

 

[16christensen16]

Looks like a business opportunity! Start your own patch authentication company!

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Nice TO's !

Regarding authenticity of cards (patches) with a database , and sticker autos , those 2 changes are probably te two biggest I'd make if I could turn back to clock and take over. Both things piss me off

Ryan

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Looks like a business opportunity! Start your own patch authentication company!

It could be done if the companies would share the data of what the items are cut from, and well , that could turn up issues we don't want to know. But as far behind as we are in terms of database/authenticating , the card companies need to be helpful and truthful if it was to advance in the future.

Ryan

 

[16christensen16]

Nice TO's !

Regarding authenticity of cards (patches) with a database , and sticker autos , those 2 changes are probably te two biggest I'd make if I could turn back to clock and take over. Both things piss me off

Ryan

I would also love to see game used cards not used so much. The companies have flooded the market. Think about how cool it would be if for the entire year there was only 10 nolan ryan patch cards produced and say 100 plain jersey cards

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I would also love to see game used cards not used so much. The companies have flooded the market. Think about how cool it would be if for the entire year there was only 10 nolan ryan patch cards produced and say 100 plain jersey cards

I agree and think about how expensive they could eventually get, lol.

 

[homerun28aa]

I would also love to see game used cards not used so much. The companies have flooded the market. Think about how cool it would be if for the entire year there was only 10 nolan ryan patch cards produced and say 100 plain jersey cards

This is wishful thinking, very wishful thinking. I have so many HOF relics like Cobbs Gehrigs Ruths etc. that I bought for $200,$300,$400,$500 that now maybe get $100. Game used are primarily what drives up product sales that and autos unless you're a prospector, unfortunately they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

I would also love to see game used cards not used so much. The companies have flooded the market. Think about how cool it would be if for the entire year there was only 10 nolan ryan patch cards produced and say 100 plain jersey cards

Absolutely , but I think their going to run out of legit stuff to use before that happens. While they may have access to more low/mid HOFers/better players, those can't carry a product. And as the full sized memorabilia increases, I'm not sure the companies are going to be able to afford them wo pricing their products at a level that's too extreme. Maybe I'm in the minority , but how many Ruth , Gehrig , Cobb , Mantle , Koufax , Mays , Musial , Foxx , Clemente , and 1950s and before players etc are really going to be available to the companies?

Ryan

 

[16christensen16]

Absolutely , but I think their going to run out of legit stuff to use before that happens. While they may have access to more low/mid HOFers/better players, those can't carry a product. And as the full sized memorabilia increases, I'm not sure the companies are going to be able to afford them wo pricing their products at a level that's too extreme. Maybe I'm in the minority , but how many Ruth , Gehrig , Cobb , Mantle , Koufax , Mays , Musial , Foxx , Clemente , and 1950s and before players etc are really going to be available to the companies?

Ryan

Not that many forsure! But they are still available and if you purchase one and document it to collectors and use the jersey over 10 plus years, think about the exictment!

You pay 200k for a jersey, but cut up over 10 or 20 years is only 10-20k a year.

 

[16christensen16]

You can buy a 68 killebrew jersey for say 20-30k. Over ten years....2-3k a year. It can be done!

 

[16christensen16]

Same thing with bats. Just think...say a Rogers Hornsby and George Brett bats were cut up over 10 years. The cost per year would be nothing and when the one nameplate lands the exictment and bidding would be insane!

 

[mrmopar]

I've seen a couple of your Garvey cards, so if you don't mind, let me know what else is locked up in that collection of yours featuring The Garv. Thankfully he has not had much in the way of really high end items offered. I probably saw you win most and didn't know who it was, but knew it wasn't a Garvey collector (Like the Topps Tier 1, for example).

 

[RStadlerASU22]

You can buy a 68 killebrew jersey for say 20-30k. Over ten years....2-3k a year. It can be done!

I get the point , but that's not a quick enough ROI for them IMO because of the amount of product they need to move per year. And how many prime pieces are coming off a 68 Killer jersey? And spread that over 10 years , the product wouldn't have enough hits in it to drive sales. From a hobbyist side , I'd love it, from a company side , I don't see it.

Ryan