Buying items listed on ebay off ebay?

[sportscardtheory]

I thought this was a discussion forum with differing opinions. Didn't realize that, just because I have a differing opinion, that maybee I should petition for different ebay policies.

Well, it seems like the logical thing to do to actually get ebay in line with your opinion on this particular matter. Clearly they don't look at it as stealing, otherwise they wouldn't treat it as a mere breach of TOS. So maybe if you can get them to change their minds and vigorously apprehend offenders for "stealing", you'll have a leg to stand on. Until then...

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Chris, you know my stance on selling off eBay.. I don't see a problem with it. That is ONLY on BIN's. To end an auction early because you don't like the end price after a bid has been received is NOT a practice that I could defend. Once I have an auction going and a bid is received then I do feel that that is now a binding contract with not just the Buyer, but to pay eBay for their services.

Yeah, good luck being able to defend that.

What would you give as an excuse to justify it?

Ryan

 

[mrdallas]

Yeah, good luck being able to defend that.

What would you give as an excuse to justify it?

Ryan

Maybe a dog ate the card before the end of the auction? LOL sorry man. I had too.

 

[Dilferules]

Well, it seems like the logical thing to do to actually get ebay in line with your opinion on this particular matter. Clearly they don't look at it as stealing, otherwise they wouldn't treat it as a mere breach of TOS. So maybe if you can get them to change their minds and vigorously apprehend offenders for "stealing", you'll have a leg to stand on. Until then...

Why they don't go after offenders more vigorously is anybody's guess, the only people that know for sure are those that formulate policy at ebay. Extrapolating out their lack of vigorous apprehension to mean that they don't look at it as stealing is purely speculation on your part, not proof that would cause the other side of the argument to not have a leg to stand on. There could be a ton of different reasons.

What do we know for sure? By the wording of the rules, ebay clearly believes that you owe them money if you locate a buyer through ebay. They let you end a listing early if you haven't found a buyer, but it's against the rules to end it early and sell to a buyer you found there off ebay. The only reason for this is that finding a buyer through ebay = ebay believes you owe them money. If you believed that somebody owed you money and they did not pay you, would you not believe that the person stole from you?

 

[hive17]

Can you steal something that never guaranteed to exist? One could always list with crazy high BINs and let the offers role in. I think some people do that anyway.

But is it stealing if it never exists? That might be too existential for this discussion.

 

[Dilferules]

Can you steal something that never guaranteed to exist? One could always list with crazy high BINs and let the offers role in. I think some people do that anyway.

But is it stealing if it never exists? That might be too existential for this discussion.

I don't fully understand...if they list with a crazy high BIN that will never be hit, the offers roll in, and the seller sells the card off ebay to one of those people that contacted him on ebay, then that's the exact situation we've been debating for 9 pages.

If they list it with a crazy high BIN that they know will never be hit and just let the offers roll in to see what they are, never selling it, there's no rules being broken or money owed, they're just jerking everybody around ha.

 

[hive17]

I don't fully understand...if they list with a crazy high BIN that will never be hit, the offers roll in, and the seller sells the card off ebay to one of those people that contacted him on ebay, then that's the exact situation we've been debating for 9 pages.

If they list it with a crazy high BIN that they know will never be hit and just let the offers roll in to see what they are, never selling it, there's no rules being broken or money owed, they're just jerking everybody around ha.

But can you steal something that was never going to exist?

 

[RStadlerASU22]

But can you steal something that was never going to exist?

What was never going to exist ? The sale at the high price ? Ok sure , but the price that was agreed upon through eBay contact would have. And the FVF would have been on that value not the high listing price. Like I've said I do that at times , but a price exists if a deal was done w/ eBay being the party that brought the parties together


Ryan

 

[Kennesawsportscards]

Well, it seems like the logical thing to do to actually get ebay in line with your opinion on this particular matter. Clearly they don't look at it as stealing, otherwise they wouldn't treat it as a mere breach of TOS. So maybe if you can get them to change their minds and vigorously apprehend offenders for "stealing", you'll have a leg to stand on. Until then...

OK let me see. If I decide that I don't want to prosecute someone because they stole 10.00 from me I cannot voice an opinion about right or wrong or that it is stealing. I am not asking ebay anything in regard to standing in line with my opinion. This is an open forum and we all have an opinion and I share my mid way through and my agreement with Dilferules and disagreement with others. I guess I don't have a leg to stand on. Have it your way. Until then......

 

[predatorkj]

It seems like we are never going to agree on the division of the fees. It might be a semantics issue over "exposure" and "finding a buyer". In any event, when you list an item on ebay, you are agreeing to pay them FVF if you find a buyer through their website. It's right there in their rules, which you agree to when you list a card.

The rest of your post sure seems to be saying that any action that you take is not "wrong" unless you suffer consequences for it. I know you cannot possibly be saying that because I'm reasonably sure you're not a sociopath, ha.

We aren't going to agree on what? That it's stupid and probably does cost them money? Or that it really is a separate fee involved in the sale of the item, not the finding of a buyer? It's one or the other(or both in my opinion).

The rest of my post is more like a "money talks..." sort of statement. It seems to be pretty consistent with our current economic model these days. That's none of my doing sir and I am certainly not trying to facilitate it either. It's how people trying to make money think.

 

[Kennesawsportscards]

I don't fully understand...if they list with a crazy high BIN that will never be hit, the offers roll in, and the seller sells the card off ebay to one of those people that contacted him on ebay, then that's the exact situation we've been debating for 9 pages.

If they list it with a crazy high BIN that they know will never be hit and just let the offers roll in to see what they are, never selling it, there's no rules being broken or money owed, they're just jerking everybody around ha.

Unfortunately, some see nothing wrong with it.....I still don't understand

 

[predatorkj]

The problem with the bolded statement is that you wouldn't have the buyer for the transaction that you agreed to pay listing and final value fees for ebay's service. The final value fees are a part of the service for completing the transaction that you, as a seller agree to by selling on ebay. The listing fee is for the initial exposure. Otherwise, the logic in the bolded statement is like me saying to you " Here's 50 dollars, bring me a buyer for my house and I will give you a percent of the sale, you doing so, and then me saying the heck with you, I will deal with the buyer direct. You get nothing. Is that right. Obviously, some here think it is just fine.

No I would say it's kinda wrong. But tell me it's stealing? Nah. Bad form, I'd agree.

 

[predatorkj]

OK let me see. If I decide that I don't want to prosecute someone because they stole 10.00 from me I cannot voice an opinion about right or wrong or that it is stealing. I am not asking ebay anything in regard to standing in line with my opinion. This is an open forum and we all have an opinion and I share my mid way through and my agreement with Dilferules and disagreement with others. I guess I don't have a leg to stand on. Have it your way. Until then......

I think what he means to say...maybe...is if it's considered stealing, you'd think there would be some trouble over the issue. Yet here we are. Like I said, they could do things to assist with the avoidance of this problem.

 

[predatorkj]

What was never going to exist ? The sale at the high price ? Ok sure , but the price that was agreed upon through eBay contact would have. And the FVF would have been on that value not the high listing price. Like I've said I do that at times , but a price exists if a deal was done w/ eBay being the party that brought the parties together


Ryan

Maybe he's saying that ebay would never get the money for the sale because the seller is never intending to sell? Like with our hypothetical friend who we tell..."go find me a buyer for my house" and then never pay him (well...fully anyway) because no matter how many buyers he brings us, we never intended to sell the house. Spinning his wheels so to speak.

 

[chris19978]

The whole topic was about people calling people ending items thieves by basically stealing. I for one am done with the topic as no one will change anyones mind and I am going to enjoy my vacation I am on right now.

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[mrdallas]

Any person on here who says it is stealing. Serious question? Do you charge tax on the cards that you sell on eBay? No. Then you are stealing from the government and that is breaking the law. Unless you pay the tax at the end of the year for your cutomers. Just sayin__
And techically speaking. That is illegal

Let me add. If you are buying on eBay and didn't get charged a tax when you bought and dont pay a use tax at the end of the year. Then u are stealing...

 

[michaelstepper]

The whole topic was about people calling people ending items thieves by basically stealing. I for one am done with the topic as no one will change anyones mind and I am going to enjoy my vacation I am on right now.

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Enjoy your vacation

Nobody is going to change anyone's opinion. Especially on an online forum, about the moral capacity of an obsolete/unused rule being broken. I'm suprised it's gone this long

 

[mrdallas]

Before it ends i would like my question answered above, how many of you on the its stealing side of the fence charge a tax on the items you sell? Or pay a use tax on the items u bought that didnt have a tax on ???

 

[chris19978]

Before it ends i would like my question answered above, how many of you on the stealing side of the fence charge a tax on the items you sell?

Agreed you only need officially put it on your taxes if you sell more than $20,000.00 but you should claim all money made on items you sell but no one does that.

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[mrdallas]

This was more directed at the other side of the fence. and technically every item you buy on eBay is subject to a sales/use tax if your state is one that charges it. And only a few dont charge a sales tax. Just not enforced. Sound familiar?