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Upper Deck chose to use the A Piece of History 500 Club theme for some of their inserts in the 2009 UD Ballpark release. These included dual player bat cards (with a dual autograph parallel) and 3, 4, 6 and 8 piece/player jersey cards. Here are my thoughts:

For a long time I've felt that UD was sitting on a treasure not exploiting the following they had with the original APOH set. With the way they released the Manny, Thome and Thomas cards (as 1 per case as opposed to /350) I thought that they were doing a very good job of destroying that potential value , and wished that someone there with some semblance of business sense would be allowed to make some decisions relating to the set.

With Ballpark they've put out some great looking cards. The downsides though are many in my opinion. The biggest is the sheer number of varieties they offer. When the set was originally released, each player had a single card (outside of the "big three" triple card which few even knew existed.) This enabled people to collect them by picking them up one at a time. Having so many now in one set makes that far more challenging. This brings us to a second negative:

The print run. While the low print runs will keep the prices for dropping too low, they also pretty much eliminate the chance for someone who built the original POH 500 club set from going for these. Print runs like /10 and /15 do not offer much of a chance to masses of people who chased the /350 original set. The print run means that there simply are not enough copies.

The player combinations chosen (seemingly at random based on what I've seen, though I may be wrong) leave room for many sets going forward to offer similar cards with different player combinations, something that any considering attempting to piece together the set may see as a real deterrent.

All in all they are nice looking cards, but I think UD's marketing team took a real swing and a miss here, as they've completely missed the giant target (of set-builders of the original APOH set) that they had waiting for them. It's quite unfortunate as they've pretty much ruined their opportunities to exploit it with this release (and the release last year of the "APOH 600 Griffey card" that done right could have expanded on the idea really nicely.)

So that people do not think I'm simply ranting with no better idea, here's simple way that could have had these cards bringing far more dough.

All that had to be done was release just a few different cards (possibly between 1-4) with the dual players that they did release, and then with an auto'd parallel (which they have for the dual bat cards.) Instead of making the cards /10 or /15, having them /350 would mean that there's one for every set builder. Since they are only releasing a few cards at a time, the /350 would not mean a massive influx of cards, they'd still be a really tough pull. This way the set collectors (and anyone else interested in the cards) could target them one (or two) at a time, making it most realistic for a normal budget, and more reasonable for someone who is not sitting on eBay buying every variation to come out in the set. Releasing this way would allow the set collectors who created the market for the set as is, to keep going.

Another point, I think the 3,4,6 and 8 player jersey cards are way, way overkill and think the company would have done way better to offer APOH 500 club single player jersey cards that are a parallel to the bat cards. Not sure why this was not done but then again, there's so many questions here...
 

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Yah, I was pretty disappointed with the set, and many folks may likely NOT include these cards in their "master sets". I think they got a little too "ballpark happy" and ruined what was a good formula. You really don't need to put that many variations of that many players into the set. They should have called the set something else and not ruin the name of a nice set.
 

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I think it would have been cool to see them do a parallel set of the original 500 HR set with the players pictured as the different teams they hit home runs for.
 

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After looking at the cards online, they don't have the excitement, that the original APOH cards have.. I know that I might go after a Griffey GU if they are reasonable, (Griffey Collection) and I doubt I will be going after any of the Dual Auto's..

The sticker auto's just look low end to me for a card that used to be an exclusive item..

http://www.mcaf.com/pinbreaker/pers_coll/500HR/apoh.htm

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Do you think that them losing the MLB License after 2009 they went ahead and loaded up for this release?
 

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They didn't really load up on the player selection, they've already got their individual POH cards, so I think they tried to get too fancy and screwed up what use to be a good thing.
 

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brouthercard said:
Yah, I was pretty disappointed with the set, and many folks may likely NOT include these cards in their "master sets". I think they got a little too "ballpark happy" and ruined what was a good formula. You really don't need to put that many variations of that many players into the set. They should have called the set something else and not ruin the name of a nice set.
Very well said!! I do not include these cards as part of the originals what so ever, but thats just me! They did do a disservice to collectors when they dint SP the Singles (Manny, Thome and Thomas) to /350. I mean what the F@%& were they thinking ::facepalm::
 

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Can someone provide the breakdown of the original APOH cards in terms of quantity and prices? It's a gorgeous set.
 

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gomatt said:
Can someone provide the breakdown of the original APOH cards in terms of quantity and prices? It's a gorgeous set.

The Original APOH had a print run of /350.. except for the Babe Ruth.. He has 2 cards in the set.. If you look at the APOH cards, the logo in the upper left corner reads "A Piece of History 500 Club".. The Babe Ruth with this info has only a print run of 50.. the rest of them (like mine) have a print run of 350.. They were inserted in various sets over the years.. (Beckett has the info I think)..

Here is my Palmeiro which actually has a /350 number on it..

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As far as pricing, it can vary..

Here are the values when I put my set together..

Babe - $1,000
Aaron - $300
Banks - $200
Mathews - $300
Murray - $200
Robinson - $150
Killebrew - $200
Foxx - $200
Mantle - $600
Ott - $200
Schmidt - $200
Jackson - $120
Williams - $300
Mays - $300
McCovey - $120
McGwire - $400
Sosa - $150
Palmeiro - $200
Griffey - $175
Thomas - $120
Thome - $80
Ramirez - $60

Every so often I will pick up a card if I think it is a good price.. Just incase there is someone on the board that might want to put the set together..

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Thanks for all the information. Very helpful. Without question, that is one of the best looking sets I've ever seen. It captures the players in their glory years and I like that.

My last question is... are these cards solid investments? I'm sure at some point they were. But now? Regardless, from a collecting standpoint alone there are few sets that can match this one.
 

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gomatt said:
Thanks for all the information. Very helpful. Without question, that is one of the best looking sets I've ever seen. It captures the players in their glory years and I like that.

My last question is... are these cards solid investments? I'm sure at some point they were. But now? Regardless, from a collecting standpoint alone there are few sets that can match this one.
I've written about this set many times. It's a historic set, and I agree that it is one of the best looking sets of all-time. It is a set I was going for when I had the funds.

In my opinion the set offers great investment potential. Besides for being a classic set, great looking and of one of (if not the) most prestigious clubs in sports (is there anything in sports bigger than the home run in baseball?) it has something else tremendous going for it, and that is the fact that it is a "live" set. Upper Deck continues to produce cards of the new members of the 500 club, and this means that the set is brought back to the public eye every now and again.

Unfortunately the shortsightedness of Upper Deck resulted in the cards from Thome, Thomas and Manny being mass produced and therefore the draws for those, and the attention that the set gets when a new player is added has lessened, but I imagine that sooner or later they will realize the folly in their ways and go back to making the cards /350.

I have followed the pricing on these for a long time, and while some of the players fluctuate significantly, the prices on some remain pretty consistent. The Thome and Thomas can each be had for under $30 apiece (if you are interested in copies, pm me.) Ruth, Mantle, Aaron are consistently the highest (Ruth often goes in the $800-$900 range when it is listed, though I did see one go for well over a grand a little while back. Mantle can be $400-$600, and Aaron $300+) Prices spiked on the set around a year ago, but they have settled since.

One thing that is crucial to remember is the fact that this is a set that many are chasing, and it's often high-rollers. This means that any card potentially could get far more than it "usually" might when 2 high-rollers bang heads. Of course because that potential is always there, overpaying does not necessarily mean that you won't be able to break even or make money in the future.

I believe that the set has real investment potential. The recent recession has resulted in a few people breaking up their sets (I was going for it at one time) but I think that most of these sets are deep in people's PC, and with every additional player added there is more attention, and potentially more people going for the set.

I hope this helped.
 

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gomatt said:
Thanks for all the information. Very helpful. Without question, that is one of the best looking sets I've ever seen. It captures the players in their glory years and I like that.

My last question is... are these cards solid investments? I'm sure at some point they were. But now? Regardless, from a collecting standpoint alone there are few sets that can match this one.

I think so, especially now..

Here is a few recent sales...

Mays
[ebay:1z0wn20e]230382273180[/ebay:1z0wn20e]
[ebay:1z0wn20e]280399957944[/ebay:1z0wn20e]

Foxx
[ebay:1z0wn20e]190338988032[/ebay:1z0wn20e]

Griffey
[ebay:1z0wn20e]170384217250[/ebay:1z0wn20e]
 

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And if you happen to have some extra change..

[ebay:1kvo4d5v]360192197561[/ebay:1kvo4d5v]

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and

[ebay:1kvo4d5v]400075995687[/ebay:1kvo4d5v]

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Like most luxuries right now, if you can afford it, its a great time to buy. Hobbies are hit the hardest during economic downturns and realizing that the economy is an up and down cycle can pay off big time if you can "invest".
 

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Topnotchsy said:
gomatt said:
Thanks for all the information. Very helpful. Without question, that is one of the best looking sets I've ever seen. It captures the players in their glory years and I like that.

My last question is... are these cards solid investments? I'm sure at some point they were. But now? Regardless, from a collecting standpoint alone there are few sets that can match this one.
I've written about this set many times. It's a historic set, and I agree that it is one of the best looking sets of all-time. It is a set I was going for when I had the funds.

In my opinion the set offers great investment potential. Besides for being a classic set, great looking and of one of (if not the) most prestigious clubs in sports (is there anything in sports bigger than the home run in baseball?) it has something else tremendous going for it, and that is the fact that it is a "live" set. Upper Deck continues to produce cards of the new members of the 500 club, and this means that the set is brought back to the public eye every now and again.

Unfortunately the shortsightedness of Upper Deck resulted in the cards from Thome, Thomas and Manny being mass produced and therefore the draws for those, and the attention that the set gets when a new player is added has lessened, but I imagine that sooner or later they will realize the folly in their ways and go back to making the cards /350.

I have followed the pricing on these for a long time, and while some of the players fluctuate significantly, the prices on some remain pretty consistent. The Thome and Thomas can each be had for under $30 apiece (if you are interested in copies, pm me.) Ruth, Mantle, Aaron are consistently the highest (Ruth often goes in the $800-$900 range when it is listed, though I did see one go for well over a grand a little while back. Mantle can be $400-$600, and Aaron $300+) Prices spiked on the set around a year ago, but they have settled since.

One thing that is crucial to remember is the fact that this is a set that many are chasing, and it's often high-rollers. This means that any card potentially could get far more than it "usually" might when 2 high-rollers bang heads. Of course because that potential is always there, overpaying does not necessarily mean that you won't be able to break even or make money in the future.

I believe that the set has real investment potential. The recent recession has resulted in a few people breaking up their sets (I was going for it at one time) but I think that most of these sets are deep in people's PC, and with every additional player added there is more attention, and potentially more people going for the set.

I hope this helped.

Thanks for the insights. I might have to join the mix!
 

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I was starting to build this set at the beginning of summer and have since quit as the cards show up too often and sucked up money too fast. It seemed like these have only gone down in the last few months. I still have most of them and will probably keep them unless I can make a profit.
 

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Great investment potential....unless you bought these a year + ago and then well, they havent been such a great investment.
 

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Sometimes it's not about the investment, but about the card set..

For me, it was the card set as it is set that is limiteds to only a select few players..
 

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Pinbreaker said:
Sometimes it's not about the investment, but about the card set..

For me, it was the card set as it is set that is limiteds to only a select few players..

Agreed..

Was replying to those who've been touting these for their investment potential..
 

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