2010 NBA DRAFT Talk.....

[Nate Colbert 17]

I was hoping the Pacers would have picked up a point guard. I love Larry Bird as a player, but (being a native Hooiser, this is blasphemy), he is not much of a GM.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Bradley might have all the upside in the world, but he just doesn't fit with the team. The window for title contention is about to close on this team, and they needed someone that can help right now instead of in 3 years. I also don't trust the Celtics recent track record for player development.

I'd say the window closed this year.

Allen most likely will not re-sign. Paul Pierce could opt out of his contract a la Dirk Nowitzki.

Rasheed retiring, Garnett looking old.

The boat has sailed.

I think Allen will resign with the C's. Think about who has the cap space to offer him significant money, and there aren't many good teams in the mix. He likes Boston because it's close to home, so I think any reasonable offer from Boston will be accepted. If Pierce opts out I'm 100% sure it's to sign a long term deal to close out his career with the Celtics. This would reduce his cap number for next year allowing for some other moves to be made. Garnett looks old, but if they give him the Roger Clemens treatment of resting in the first half of the season and really upping his minutes in the 2nd half and playoffs he might look more fresh. Rondo is still going to be a top 5 point guard in the league and should continue to improve this offseason. So it's really just what they do for their bench. Sign JJ Reddick to a midlevel deal? Trade Rasheed Wallace's retiring contract to a team looking for cap relief? I think they have a shot for 1 more year if they play this offseason right.

 

[EricInCT]

For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

I haven't like their drafting the last couple years but saying their last 3-4 years are all time busts is crazy.

Not including trades:
Lester Hudson (pick 58) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
JR Giddens (pick 30) - End of the first round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Semih Erden (pick 60) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
Gabe Pruitt (pick 32) - beginning of 2nd round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Rajon Rondo (pick 21) - Great pick
Gerald Green (pick 18) - Bust, but still a mid 1st round pick that wasn't expected to be great (helped get KG)
Ryan Gomes (pick 50) - Great pick
Orien Greene (pick 53) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?

Year before Gomes they drafted Jefferson, West, and TA which were all great picks.

 

[Anthony K.]

For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

I haven't like their drafting the last couple years but saying their last 3-4 years are all time busts is crazy.

Not including trades:
Lester Hudson (pick 58) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
JR Giddens (pick 30) - End of the first round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Semih Erden (pick 60) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
Gabe Pruitt (pick 32) - beginning of 2nd round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Rajon Rondo (pick 21) - Great pick
Gerald Green (pick 18) - Bust, but still a mid 1st round pick that wasn't expected to be great (helped get KG)
Ryan Gomes (pick 50) - Great pick
Orien Greene (pick 53) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?

Year before Gomes they drafted Jefferson, West, and TA which were all great picks.

People are really sleeping on Avery Bradley.

How much I hate to say this, outside of TJ Ford, Coach Barnes has hurt the chances of EVERY point guard Texas has had over the last 10 years or so, by focusing on small power forwards and small forwards who don't have a true position. Had he let the offense flow more often through Bradley, he definitely would have been taken higher.

I think he was a great pick for the Celtics, but really wish he could have landed somewhere that he could get major minutes (IE: Indiana, Miami).

As for the Celtics - I've been hearing all signs point to Allen taking a shot at one more title somewhere else. Obviously, it's not set in stone, but they did shop him at the deadline so i'm not 100% sure Danny will bring him back anyways (especially since he really only had one good game in the finals). I feel the same about Pierce, but you never know if the Nets or Bulls make a godfather type offer to him, he may bolt to play there (Chicago obviously if they don't land LeBron). As for the Clemens & Garnett comparison...isn't that what they basically did this year? He still didn't seem that great after the 2nd rd. I will say, though, I hope they can land someone with Rasheed's expiring contract, just because I want to see Rondo continue to flourish as the 3rd best point guard in the game (yes, 3rd...only CP3 and Deron are ahead of him in my opinion).

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

I haven't like their drafting the last couple years but saying their last 3-4 years are all time busts is crazy.

Not including trades:
Lester Hudson (pick 58) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
JR Giddens (pick 30) - End of the first round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Semih Erden (pick 60) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
Gabe Pruitt (pick 32) - beginning of 2nd round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Rajon Rondo (pick 21) - Great pick
Gerald Green (pick 18) - Bust, but still a mid 1st round pick that wasn't expected to be great (helped get KG)
Ryan Gomes (pick 50) - Great pick
Orien Greene (pick 53) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?

Year before Gomes they drafted Jefferson, West, and TA which were all great picks.

People are really sleeping on Avery Bradley.

How much I hate to say this, outside of TJ Ford, Coach Barnes has hurt the chances of EVERY point guard Texas has had over the last 10 years or so, by focusing on small power forwards and small forwards who don't have a true position. Had he let the offense flow more often through Bradley, he definitely would have been taken higher.

I think he was a great pick for the Celtics, but really wish he could have landed somewhere that he could get major minutes (IE: Indiana, Miami).

As for the Celtics - I've been hearing all signs point to Allen taking a shot at one more title somewhere else. Obviously, it's not set in stone, but they did shop him at the deadline so i'm not 100% sure Danny will bring him back anyways (especially since he really only had one good game in the finals). I feel the same about Pierce, but you never know if the Nets or Bulls make a godfather type offer to him, he may bolt to play there (Chicago obviously if they don't land LeBron). As for the Clemens & Garnett comparison...isn't that what they basically did this year? He still didn't seem that great after the 2nd rd. I will say, though, I hope they can land someone with Rasheed's expiring contract, just because I want to see Rondo continue to flourish as the 3rd best point guard in the game (yes, 3rd...only CP3 and Deron are ahead of him in my opinion).

I don't think Garnett was fully recovered at any point this year. It could be like running backs after a major injury when it's the 2nd year back that they return to normal. Of course KG will never return fully to form, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him have one more solid year. I honestly think there is no chance that Pierce leaves, and I think Allen really wants to play in Boston so it will only take a reasonable offer to keep him.

I'm not sleeping on Avery as much as I don't get that pick for this team. Even if he does turn out to be great, he's playing a position that the Celtics have locked up for the next 5 years. Maybe he was used incorrectly, but the first thing I saw when they drafted him was 11ppg and 2.5apg followed by Bilas saying "he needs to develop his skills as a point guard" and I thought of the other projects the Celtics have taken lately. You either have to try to win with the core they have now, or blow it up. Garnett to Dallas for Dampier's contract with early termination clause, Beaubois, and draft picks. Let Allen walk, and let Pierce walk. Then you have the cap space to compete with Chicago and Miami for a top level FA or two to go with Rondo and Perk.

 

[Anthony K.]

[quote="kdailey4315":1yxg80hc]For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

I haven't like their drafting the last couple years but saying their last 3-4 years are all time busts is crazy.

Not including trades:
Lester Hudson (pick 58) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
JR Giddens (pick 30) - End of the first round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Semih Erden (pick 60) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
Gabe Pruitt (pick 32) - beginning of 2nd round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Rajon Rondo (pick 21) - Great pick
Gerald Green (pick 18) - Bust, but still a mid 1st round pick that wasn't expected to be great (helped get KG)
Ryan Gomes (pick 50) - Great pick
Orien Greene (pick 53) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?

Year before Gomes they drafted Jefferson, West, and TA which were all great picks.

People are really sleeping on Avery Bradley.

How much I hate to say this, outside of TJ Ford, Coach Barnes has hurt the chances of EVERY point guard Texas has had over the last 10 years or so, by focusing on small power forwards and small forwards who don't have a true position. Had he let the offense flow more often through Bradley, he definitely would have been taken higher.

I think he was a great pick for the Celtics, but really wish he could have landed somewhere that he could get major minutes (IE: Indiana, Miami).

As for the Celtics - I've been hearing all signs point to Allen taking a shot at one more title somewhere else. Obviously, it's not set in stone, but they did shop him at the deadline so i'm not 100% sure Danny will bring him back anyways (especially since he really only had one good game in the finals). I feel the same about Pierce, but you never know if the Nets or Bulls make a godfather type offer to him, he may bolt to play there (Chicago obviously if they don't land LeBron). As for the Clemens & Garnett comparison...isn't that what they basically did this year? He still didn't seem that great after the 2nd rd. I will say, though, I hope they can land someone with Rasheed's expiring contract, just because I want to see Rondo continue to flourish as the 3rd best point guard in the game (yes, 3rd...only CP3 and Deron are ahead of him in my opinion).

I don't think Garnett was fully recovered at any point this year. It could be like running backs after a major injury when it's the 2nd year back that they return to normal. Of course KG will never return fully to form, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him have one more solid year. I honestly think there is no chance that Pierce leaves, and I think Allen really wants to play in Boston so it will only take a reasonable offer to keep him.

I'm not sleeping on Avery as much as I don't get that pick for this team. Even if he does turn out to be great, he's playing a position that the Celtics have locked up for the next 5 years. Maybe he was used incorrectly, but the first thing I saw when they drafted him was 11ppg and 2.5apg followed by Bilas saying "he needs to develop his skills as a point guard" and I thought of the other projects the Celtics have taken lately. You either have to try to win with the core they have now, or blow it up. Garnett to Dallas for Dampier's contract with early termination clause, Beaubois, and draft picks. Let Allen walk, and let Pierce walk. Then you have the cap space to compete with Chicago and Miami for a top level FA or two to go with Rondo and Perk.[/quote:1yxg80hc]

Dallas isn't going to give an expiring contract (which is a huge trade chip), their Pg of the Future AND draft picks for Garnett. They watched the finals. I could see them letting Pierce and Allen walk and then bringing in a big name guy (probably someone like Joe Johnson or Boozer) and then two mid level guys to help them compete.

Pierce COULD sign with the Clippers, go back home and spend his final 4 years there. Baron, Pierce, Eric Gordon, Griffin, Kaman...that's a solid starting 5 (plus Thornton coming off the bench).

I just REALLY hope the Thunder do SOMETHING. Go after Boozer, Bosh, David Lee...get a big man who can bang the boards and score some.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

[quote="Anthony K.":1h77n0z9]

[quote="kdailey4315":1h77n0z9]For some reason Cousins just has bust written all over him in my mind. He weighed in at 290lbs recently and it will be interesting what weight he reports to camp at. I'm glad that the Kings took him so the Warriors couldn't. I like the Warriors pick of Udoh but I also liked Monroe.

It's funny because I get the feeling that he has the potential to be the guy that slips in the draft because of off the court issues and ends up getting his head straight and dominating.

I really hate the pick by the C's. Figured they'd either go for one of the bigs left on the board to fill in for Perk if he misses any time, or a more established player to make one last title run. Going for a backup pg that's barely played college ball isn't going to be a difference maker this year.

I watched Danny Aigne say that they got the only guy they wanted in the first round.......you must be kidding me.....the Celt's first round choices over the years 3/4 are in the 'all time bust' list. ::facepalm::

They should just give away their pick for a bag of balls, they are going to give the player away for less anyways.

I haven't like their drafting the last couple years but saying their last 3-4 years are all time busts is crazy.

Not including trades:
Lester Hudson (pick 58) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
JR Giddens (pick 30) - End of the first round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Semih Erden (pick 60) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?
Gabe Pruitt (pick 32) - beginning of 2nd round, didn't work out but no one expected him to be great
Rajon Rondo (pick 21) - Great pick
Gerald Green (pick 18) - Bust, but still a mid 1st round pick that wasn't expected to be great (helped get KG)
Ryan Gomes (pick 50) - Great pick
Orien Greene (pick 53) - Can you really expect anything from this pick?

Year before Gomes they drafted Jefferson, West, and TA which were all great picks.

People are really sleeping on Avery Bradley.

How much I hate to say this, outside of TJ Ford, Coach Barnes has hurt the chances of EVERY point guard Texas has had over the last 10 years or so, by focusing on small power forwards and small forwards who don't have a true position. Had he let the offense flow more often through Bradley, he definitely would have been taken higher.

I think he was a great pick for the Celtics, but really wish he could have landed somewhere that he could get major minutes (IE: Indiana, Miami).

As for the Celtics - I've been hearing all signs point to Allen taking a shot at one more title somewhere else. Obviously, it's not set in stone, but they did shop him at the deadline so i'm not 100% sure Danny will bring him back anyways (especially since he really only had one good game in the finals). I feel the same about Pierce, but you never know if the Nets or Bulls make a godfather type offer to him, he may bolt to play there (Chicago obviously if they don't land LeBron). As for the Clemens & Garnett comparison...isn't that what they basically did this year? He still didn't seem that great after the 2nd rd. I will say, though, I hope they can land someone with Rasheed's expiring contract, just because I want to see Rondo continue to flourish as the 3rd best point guard in the game (yes, 3rd...only CP3 and Deron are ahead of him in my opinion).

I don't think Garnett was fully recovered at any point this year. It could be like running backs after a major injury when it's the 2nd year back that they return to normal. Of course KG will never return fully to form, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him have one more solid year. I honestly think there is no chance that Pierce leaves, and I think Allen really wants to play in Boston so it will only take a reasonable offer to keep him.

I'm not sleeping on Avery as much as I don't get that pick for this team. Even if he does turn out to be great, he's playing a position that the Celtics have locked up for the next 5 years. Maybe he was used incorrectly, but the first thing I saw when they drafted him was 11ppg and 2.5apg followed by Bilas saying "he needs to develop his skills as a point guard" and I thought of the other projects the Celtics have taken lately. You either have to try to win with the core they have now, or blow it up. Garnett to Dallas for Dampier's contract with early termination clause, Beaubois, and draft picks. Let Allen walk, and let Pierce walk. Then you have the cap space to compete with Chicago and Miami for a top level FA or two to go with Rondo and Perk.[/quote:1h77n0z9]

Dallas isn't going to give an expiring contract (which is a huge trade chip), their Pg of the Future AND draft picks for Garnett. They watched the finals. I could see them letting Pierce and Allen walk and then bringing in a big name guy (probably someone like Joe Johnson or Boozer) and then two mid level guys to help them compete.

Pierce COULD sign with the Clippers, go back home and spend his final 4 years there. Baron, Pierce, Eric Gordon, Griffin, Kaman...that's a solid starting 5 (plus Thornton coming off the bench).

I just REALLY hope the Thunder do SOMETHING. Go after Boozer, Bosh, David Lee...get a big man who can bang the boards and score some.[/quote:1h77n0z9]

I don't think that Dallas trade would be that easy to get done, but they've done it before with the Devin Harris/Jason Kidd trade. Maybe JJ Barea instead of Beaubois or something and the Celtics sending picks or cash consideration with KG. Anyway, I don't think that happens since I think the "big three" stays in Boston. I was just saying they either need to try and win one more season, or completely blow it up. I do like the idea of trading Rasheed's retiring contract for someone like Biedrins or Murphy.

 

[Rickzcards]

This years draft was one of the weakest I've seen in a long time. A lot of the draftees I have barely even heard of. There will probably be a few surprises but overall it was just a weak class.

 

[miguelcabrera]

This years draft was one of the weakest I've seen in a long time. A lot of the draftees I have barely even heard of. There will probably be a few surprises but overall it was just a weak class.

I think this is a really strong draft class actually, maybe the strongest since 03. We will see how it plays out. But honestly, I'm not saying this because your a laker fan, but if you havnt heard of these players then you simply dont follow college basketball. I have heard of almost every draftee.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

strongest since 03? really? well lets see here...

04-05 is better: dwight howard, josh smith, al jefferson, ben gordon, andre iguodala, devin harris, jameer nelson
05-06 is better: two best point guards in the league cp3 and dwill alone make this class better, bynum, nate robinson, david lee, bogut
06-07: not a great draft but i think its still better than this one..i dont see any player outside of wall being as good as brandon roy, rondo and lamarcus aldrige
07-08: durant is the only name that needs to be said, he alone is better than this whole draft class together
08-09: rose, mayo, westbrook,
09: jennings, curry, evans, collison


im sorry but i think every class after 03 has been better than this one, obviously we wont know untill the season starts but this was pretty bad

 

[miguelcabrera]

strongest since 03? really? well lets see here...

04-05 is better: dwight howard, josh smith, al jefferson, ben gordon, andre iguodala, devin harris, jameer nelson
05-06 is better: two best point guards in the league cp3 and dwill alone make this class better, bynum, nate robinson, david lee, bogut
06-07: not a great draft but i think its still better than this one..i dont see any player outside of wall being as good as brandon roy, rondo and lamarcus aldrige
07-08: durant is the only name that needs to be said, he alone is better than this whole draft class together
08-09: rose, mayo, westbrook,
09: jennings, curry, evans, collison


im sorry but i think every class after 03 has been better than this one, obviously we wont know untill the season starts but this was pretty bad

we will see. i think its a strong class. lets let them play first before we decide for sure. but if you havnt heard of these guys you dont watch college basketball. that can already be confirmed.

 

[miguelcabrera]

did anyone cost themselves more than willie warren by staying at school one more year?

 

[miguelcabrera]

scottie reynolds

 

[gt2590]

This years draft was one of the weakest I've seen in a long time. A lot of the draftees I have barely even heard of. There will probably be a few surprises but overall it was just a weak class.

I too disagree. I would say it's not as "Top Heavy" with future All-Stars, but I do feel it's a very deep draft. I also think this is the first draft that teams are being rewarded for taking players who are staying in school. There is alot of talent in the late 1st round, and even into the 2nd Round.

Instead of untested foreigners and just raw athletes, I think teams are now taking the more polished players even if their "upside" is lower.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

This years draft was one of the weakest I've seen in a long time. A lot of the draftees I have barely even heard of. There will probably be a few surprises but overall it was just a weak class.

I too disagree. I would say it's not as "Top Heavy" with future All-Stars, but I do feel it's a very deep draft. I also think this is the first draft that teams are being rewarded for taking players who are staying in school. There is alot of talent in the late 1st round, and even into the 2nd Round.

Instead of untested foreigners and just raw athletes, I think teams are now taking the more polished players even if their "upside" is lower.

I agree. I think there are far more useful NBA players that will come out of this draft than the average draft. You can really only expect a couple blue chip players per draft, and we might see that with Turner, Wall, and Cousins. I wouldn't say best since 03, but I also wouldn't say it was a weak draft class.

 

[miguelcabrera]

I was pissed the Lakers drafted Caracter. I think he will be at worst a decent NBA player. damn