2011 LEAF LEGENDS OF SPORT TRADING CARDS

[daveyou]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

 

[tikitomoka]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

 

[daveyou]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

I'm just going to say this.

i've seen topps trying to be "original" with marquee and tier one. i've seen panini trying with gold standard and leaf limited cuts. my goodness, i've seen the breaks and they are bad...

people buying into retro and best...you are right. it's not an original product. however, it. just. works.

chance at pulling the 1952 mantle? who wouldn't want that? the product is made to give that "you're telling me there's a chance.." :lol:

[youtube:3mo0986r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s&feature=related[/youtube:3mo0986r]

i mean, we have 3 FCB members from andrew's break pulling one of the top pulls from the sell sheet from the original RRR, leaf best of, and leaf retro. jordan fleer bgs 9.5, mantle bgs 8.5 and harper red 1/1.

again, i'd take this so called "unoriginal" product any day of the week over new and innovative product i've seen so far.

it's basically to each its own. don't try to understand why people like it. just accept it. i don't understand the hate but i just accept it and that's that

dave

 

[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

You are way underestimating who buys our product.
FCB represents a meaningful quantity on the draft baseball products, but on the other 18 products we made last year FCB accounted for a very very tiny percentage of the products sales.

Im not here to argue with what you like or dont like....
With that being said, I continue to stand by my statement that you dont have to like every (or in your particular case ANY) product we make.
There are plenty of people buying the products. If they weren't, we wouldnt be in business.
There is a reason we are growing (and profitable), while a majority of our competitors are losing money hand over fist at present.
BG

 

[joey12508]

i think leaf best of baseball and leaf pete rose were the nicest boxes to come out last year. jmo

 

[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

Your argument would be far more persuasive if you actually knew any behind the scenes of this industry..

#1- Every major manufacturer wanted Ichiro. Every manufacturer tried to get him. Every manufacturer offered big $$$!
He chose LEAF. Why???? Lots of money sure, but we also pay fast and respect the players rights and wishes.

#2- Are you calling NETFLIX a totally unoriginal company for packing other people's films and delivering them in a unique way? Also, since you dont buy my products you may not know that EVERY box includes original LEAF content.. But, that doesnt help your argument, so why mention facts that get in the way of proving your point...

Lastly, I am a professional who understands the business better than any single person who works at any of the 3 major manufacturers. With that being said, I am not an underling at a company who has to stick to the company line and expect you guys to eat it and like it. I call it like I see it. I am straight up. You dont have to like my honest opinion, but its honest.

BG

p.s.- If you think the Ichiro Patches are "ugly", there is no need for us to try to have an unbiased discussion.

 

[Super Mario]

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[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

Your argument would be far more persuasive if you actually knew any behind the scenes of this industry..

#1- Every major manufacturer wanted Ichiro. Every manufacturer tried to get him. Every manufacturer offered big $$$!
He chose LEAF. Why???? Lots of money sure, but we also pay fast and respect the players rights and wishes.

#2- Are you calling NETFLIX a totally unoriginal company for packing other people's films and delivering them in a unique way? That's not a very good argument/comparison. Netflix is just like a video store you'd go to in your home town. Just online. Everyone knows this. A baseball card company who passes on other manufacturers products as their own? Everyone can see that's shady. Not like Netflix. Netflix provides a service. Buying other companies products then inserting them into your own to make a profit.....there are going to be people who question the ethics in that. Also, since you dont buy my products you may not know that EVERY box includes original LEAF content.. But, that doesnt help your argument, so why mention facts that get in the way of proving your point...

Lastly, I am a professional debatable who understands the business better than any single person debatable who works at any of the 3 major manufacturers debatable. With that being said, I am not an underling at a company who has to stick to the company line and expect you guys to eat it and like it. I call it like I see it. I am straight up questionable. You dont have to like my honest opinion, but its honest debatable.

BG

p.s.- If you think the Ichiro Patches are "ugly", there is no need for us to try to have an unbiased discussion.

You are right!!!!!! These repack products are essentially a service driven product (with original Leaf Content added).....
We are delivering an experience to consumers..... Just as every manufacturer attempts to deliver an experience.

The only difference is we do so in two ways (not one like most manufacturers):
1> through allowing collectors to essentially open their "dream packs".... products with massive cards form a multitude of products...
2> through original Leaf content items such as Ali, Rose, Baseball draft, Lomabrdi, Golf, Poker, Family Guy, Wrestling (2012), Pop century and more....

I am very clear in our repack items what we are doing. PROVIDING A SERVICE BY CREATING THE DREAM PACK.

We finally agree... Its just too bad manufacturers cannot make products that deliver the consistent ROI/Value of our repack items.
BG

 

[tikitomoka]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

Your argument would be far more persuasive if you actually knew any behind the scenes of this industry..

#1- Every major manufacturer wanted Ichiro. Every manufacturer tried to get him. Every manufacturer offered big $$$!
He chose LEAF. Why???? Lots of money sure, but we also pay fast and respect the players rights and wishes.

#2- Are you calling NETFLIX a totally unoriginal company for packing other people's films and delivering them in a unique way? Also, since you dont buy my products you may not know that EVERY box includes original LEAF content.. But, that doesnt help your argument, so why mention facts that get in the way of proving your point...

Lastly, I am a professional who understands the business better than any single person who works at any of the 3 major manufacturers. With that being said, I am not an underling at a company who has to stick to the company line and expect you guys to eat it and like it. I call it like I see it. I am straight up. You dont have to like my honest opinion, but its honest.

BG

p.s.- If you think the Ichiro Patches are "ugly", there is no need for us to try to have an unbiased discussion.

If you understood the business better than everyone else you wouldn't be making an ass out of yourself on a weekly basis on this site. You add "original content" to the repackaged product because jeff persuaded you into doing so to avoid legal trouble, no other reason. And the Netflix comparison doesn't make any sense whatsoever because theyre not claiming to be selling original and innovative content. If anything, it shows how UNORIGINAL your products are because of how simple netflix's business model is - profit off of others' original work. Except that netflix actually has permission to do so and didn't wait for a lawsuit to settle it.

 

[Super Mario]

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[Titans74]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

 

[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

the 1st leaf ali was awesome. the patch auto 1/1's i think are one of, if not, THE best card produced in all of 2010 and then some.

leaf pete rose was another awesome product. you can't say both ali 2010 (not metal...not a fan) and leaf pete rose wasn't innovative.

including 1st ichiro auto since 2004. topps would never have thought to do this..

leaf retro and best of...i have no clue why the hate few people have with this. chance to pull those cards from the sell sheet slabbed? nothing mediocre about it

dave

The player-specific products were nice (sans the ali metal, which was overkill), and there's something to be said for those. And the thought of ichiro's is nice, but, quite honestly, the cards he's used on are ugly and only being bought because of the lack of anything else on the market. Great for Brian to pay out the ass to get him to sign, but that's not anything another company couldn't have very easily have done. As for the slab products, congrats to Brian for putting out a completely unoriginal product using cards made by completely different manufacturers. It just amazes me that products like that coming from someone as unprofessional as Brian get bought.

Your argument would be far more persuasive if you actually knew any behind the scenes of this industry..

#1- Every major manufacturer wanted Ichiro. Every manufacturer tried to get him. Every manufacturer offered big $$$!
He chose LEAF. Why???? Lots of money sure, but we also pay fast and respect the players rights and wishes.

#2- Are you calling NETFLIX a totally unoriginal company for packing other people's films and delivering them in a unique way? Also, since you dont buy my products you may not know that EVERY box includes original LEAF content.. But, that doesnt help your argument, so why mention facts that get in the way of proving your point...

Lastly, I am a professional who understands the business better than any single person who works at any of the 3 major manufacturers. With that being said, I am not an underling at a company who has to stick to the company line and expect you guys to eat it and like it. I call it like I see it. I am straight up. You dont have to like my honest opinion, but its honest.

BG

p.s.- If you think the Ichiro Patches are "ugly", there is no need for us to try to have an unbiased discussion.

If you understood the business better than everyone else you wouldn't be making an ass out of yourself on a weekly basis on this site. You add "original content" to the repackaged product because jeff persuaded you into doing so to avoid legal trouble, no other reason. And the Netflix comparison doesn't make any sense whatsoever because theyre not claiming to be selling original and innovative content. If anything, it shows how UNORIGINAL your products are because of how simple netflix's business model is - profit off of others' original work. Except that netflix actually has permission to do so and didn't wait for a lawsuit to settle it.

I guess we'll agree to disagree.
People seem to enjoy these sorts of products.
We deliver the experience/product that people enjoy.
Nothing wrong with that.
BG

 

[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

 

[Titans74]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

 

[Leaf]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

 

[hofmichael]

I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="tikitomoka":3m3rr8x8]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quote:3m3rr8x8]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG

 

[hofmichael]

[quote="Titans74":1bj69by0][quote="tikitomoka":1bj69by0]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quote:1bj69by0]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG[/quote:1bj69by0]

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
do you have plans to use cuts of any other dictators?

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I read these threads for the real insightful posts as well as the humor. My posts are "call them as I see them". If I had bad luck with a product I report it (its not about the overall product) its what I got. I also judge the entire case break as a whole (maybe I got hit in the junk, but someone else hit a grand slam). I got kicked in the junk on the last 5 Leaf products and I stated so, its not like I have not had worse luck with other brands..

OK to my point...BG PM'd me and asked me what happened. I told him what I pulled from his products in my last 5 breaks. FAR from stellar! He also read about the card I got being smeared (brought to my attention by another member, which I am not even sure if it is because it is not in hand) and offered to replace it if it was. He also said "I hope your luck turns should you try another of our products in future..." Say what you want about the man or company but he listens and responds to the collectors, which NO other company even tries! No I did not drink the Kool Aid, like I said earlier, I call them like I see them and BG makes every attempt to listen and respond. Communication is the key. If people started to listen more, and talk less, more would be accomplished...

 

[allstars]

[quote="Leaf":211n4kbo][quote="Titans74":211n4kbo][quote="tikitomoka":211n4kbo]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quote:211n4kbo]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG[/quote:211n4kbo]

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
do you have plans to use cuts of any other dictators?[/quote:211n4kbo]

"Dictator" is a compliment when used to describe Adolf ******. ****** makes Bin Laden look like a Saint. Using his auto in a product you make is a flat-out mistake, a dumb decision. You've repeatedly justified this grave error by claiming it's ok, that you paired him with FDR, a good guy. Wrong Brian. When Beckett reports that there's a ****** auto in your product you'll realize the full magnitude of your action. Why no Bush/Bin Laden pairing? You couldn't find the terrorist's autograph? If you could, would that also be ok with you? You say you give collectors what they want, via "dream packs". BS. How many people requested a ****** auto? Keep spewing your justification for this Brian, because it all just goes to show the collecting world that you could care less that ****** was personally responsible for the deaths of 10 million human beings.