2011 LEAF LEGENDS OF SPORT TRADING CARDS

[Musial Collector]

This is ******* ridiculous
Can we please just get a "I hate Brian Gray" forum?
Then all you haters can stay in one spot and bash the **** out of Brian
I dont hate or like Brian, but dear god, the same **** is spewed day after day on this site about Leaf and Brian, gets sooooooooooooo ******* old!!!

 

[Sean_C]

Just a thought, but why not do a dual auto of FDR and Truman, or something like FDR and Churchill? Also, it is highly unlikely that a ****** / FDR cut signature card would be able to be sold on eBay, as an item associated with ****** like a cut signature would likely run afoul of their offensive material policy. Plus realistically, you do realize that from here on out, the Leaf brand name will forever be known as "the guys that put out the ****** signed card". Is that the hill you really want to plant your flag on?

 

[Derek2011]

[quote="allstars":3mct9upb]Brian do you feel like Topps looks at Leaf as a serious competitor? I find it hard to believe that they do. They have a 90%+ share of the baseball card market and the only MLB license.

I am not allowed to comment on certain things which make it very clear they find me a competitor/nusiance/troublemaker.

I raise the bar for them. While I dont affect their sales significantly, I raise the expectations YOU GUYS have of Topps which makes us VERY concerning for them.

In addition, they recently resigned Babe Ruth to an exclusive deal... They may not know it, but I played a MAJOR role in them having to open the wallet.....

The fact is that what we are doing and our understanding of what collectors want, Topps should be concerned....

What would happen if Panini bought Leaf tomorrow? With their money and our vision, Topps would/should/better be very concious of our potential........

BG

p.s.- I am not saying that any particular company has made Leaf a formal offer.....

Why would Panini ever buy Leaf for other than the brand name itself? What else does Leaf have that Panini could possibly Benefit from? Just because Topps brings suit vs Leaf doesn't mean they view Leaf as a viable source of competition (they don't), it simply means that their attorneys see rights of the company they represent violated enough to warrant legal action. Really Brian, how long do you think the tiny niche of collectors are going to be fooled into buying the grab-bag products you've been putting out? You have made a few nice looking products lately, but when it comes down to it you have yet to make a single technological development to what we know as a trading card. You' e done nothing but knockoff what the innovators before you have done. No innovations whatsoever. And now you're giving your fans a shot at pulling an Adolf ****** autograph. Bravo Brian.

I appreciate your feedback however I disagree.

Here are just a few changes weve contributed in a short time:

1> we have been able to recreate one of the most popular "technologies" of the last 25 years. Valaint is a technological achievement, seeing as even Scott Prusha at Panini was quoted as saying it was "impossible" to make Crusade style cards anymore....

2> Leaf has taken inscriptions to the next level. No product in trading card history has taken inscriptions to the level that Pete Rose and Lombardi have/will. I can assure you we are working on a couple of inscription based items now that will "change the game".

3> Leaf in 2011 took Football Draft products into a new level of quality. Premium draft items had never been tested in football. 2011 Metal anhd Ultimate did that with success.

4> Leaf has consistently surprised the market by signing names to autograph deals that make collectors (and Leaf's competitors) marvel. Whether its bringing Ichiro or Piazza back to autographs after a 6 year hiatus or BRITNEY SPEARS AND HARRISON FORD in Pop Century, LEAF pays what it takes to get the best names and spares no expense to bring its customers elusive signatures.

5> Ultimate Football from 2011 featured 120 point diecut cards.... Even if you are not a fan of diecuts, no company had successfully executed this difficult task prior to this release.

6> METAL!!!!!! What Leaf is doing with Metal currently, heavy etching and unusual designs for Metal products, is a very out of the box way of enhancing a popular technology.

7> I feel that finding a creative way to deliver both value and an enjoyable pack opening experience is an innovation! If its not, why has no one else delivered the excitement provided by many of the unusually constructed products (i.e.- Rookie Retro, Best of Baseball, Etc)...

With all this being said, you do not have to love everything we do at Leaf. We try lots of different things and they will not be for everyone. HOWEVER, to say we bring no innovation at all is tantamount to saying the 3D television is not an innovation because someone else made TV's before them. Or, that Netflix is NOT an innovation because they took movies that were already out and delivered them differently...

I agree we have lots of work to do in our quest to be more than we are today. But, I think we have made VERY fair progress in only 18 months at Leaf.
Brian

Metal, Ultimate, Diecut, Draft, Crusade, Inscription, Retro - why do all these terms sound familiar? You think it's an innovation that you made a thicker diecut? Really? Why does a diecut have to be thick? You can hardly think of a brandname for your products that hasnt been used before. As for Scott at Panini, far from surprised that he thinks something that was done over a decade ago can't be done today. I've seen nothing innovative from his company tech wise either. I'm talking innovation here, not imitation. There is a difference. You've brought nothing to the table that is radically new. So you pay big bucks to get people to sign your cards. Would you be able to do that and pay professional sports leagues for licenses? It really is a scratch there, isn't it?

And ******? That blows what little credibility you had with me. But that's a whole other issue that you prefer to duck, especially after promising that you'd never include his auto in one of your products.

I am sorry we cannot make products that please you.
Fortunately, there are many other things you can collect besides trading cards.
Since you only want complete 1000% original innovation with no derivative to work from, you obviously cannot collect cards anymore.
The hobby has not had 100% complete innovation in decades!

For those that can accept improving on what is being done, there is LEAF.
BG

P.s.- We are NOT making a cut of ****** independently, but rather with FDR... we think that emphasizes the historical significance over individual celebration....
We make what our customers ask for... Do you quit watching a network because they air a single show that isnt your "cup of tea" or doesnt meet your "moral standard"?
I prefer to let people make their own choices......[/quote:3mct9upb]


I found this interesting coming from a guy with gobs of "Allen & Ginter" in his signature, which in itself is a rehash of original innovation. Nothing more/nothing less

 

[hofmichael]

[quote="Titans74":v3zkbtfg][quote="Leaf":v3zkbtfg][quote="Titans74":v3zkbtfg][quote="tikitomoka":v3zkbtfg]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quote:v3zkbtfg]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG[/quote:v3zkbtfg]

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
do you have plans to use cuts of any other dictators?[/quote:v3zkbtfg]

"Dictator" is a compliment when used to describe Adolf ******. ****** makes Bin Laden look like a Saint. Using his auto in a product you make is a flat-out mistake, a dumb decision. You've repeatedly justified this grave error by claiming it's ok, that you paired him with FDR, a good guy. Wrong Brian. When Beckett reports that there's a ****** auto in your product you'll realize the full magnitude of your action. Why no Bush/Bin Laden pairing? You couldn't find the terrorist's autograph? If you could, would that also be ok with you? You say you give collectors what they want, via "dream packs". BS. How many people requested a ****** auto? Keep spewing your justification for this Brian, because it all just goes to show the collecting world that you could care less that ****** was personally responsible for the deaths of 10 million human beings.[/quote:v3zkbtfg]
The Horrors of War set had a solo ****** cut.Why aren't you bitching to them about it?Just because he used a ****** cut doesn't make the man a ****.For some reason people cannot separate their beliefs and history whe n it comes to ******.

 

[Musial Collector]

[quote="Leaf"d9g8b9a][quote="Titans74"d9g8b9a][quote="Leaf"d9g8b9a][quote="Titans74"d9g8b9a][quote="tikitomoka"d9g8b9a]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quoted9g8b9a]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG[/quoted9g8b9a]

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
do you have plans to use cuts of any other dictators?[/quoted9g8b9a]

"Dictator" is a compliment when used to describe Adolf ******. ****** makes Bin Laden look like a Saint. Using his auto in a product you make is a flat-out mistake, a dumb decision. You've repeatedly justified this grave error by claiming it's ok, that you paired him with FDR, a good guy. Wrong Brian. When Beckett reports that there's a ****** auto in your product you'll realize the full magnitude of your action. Why no Bush/Bin Laden pairing? You couldn't find the terrorist's autograph? If you could, would that also be ok with you? You say you give collectors what they want, via "dream packs". BS. How many people requested a ****** auto? Keep spewing your justification for this Brian, because it all just goes to show the collecting world that you could care less that ****** was personally responsible for the deaths of 10 million human beings.[/quoted9g8b9a]
The Horrors of War set had a solo ****** cut.Why aren't you bitching to them about it?Just because he used a ****** cut doesn't make the man a ****. For some reason people cannot separate their beliefs and history when it comes to ******.[/quoted9g8b9a]

Agree 100% with the above

I wonder, if Stalin was included, would the uproar be as loud???

Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.

 

[matchpenalty]

Man I love Leaf threads.
So cool now seeing the moral/PC police come crashing in. Just too funny. Keep up the good work BG and glad that you are posting again.

Bring on the Lombardi collection. Maybe that will get Football section jumping. I'm sure we will find people crying about something in that release. Nothing wrong with that though. Makes this site interesting/the best on the net. Instead of the vanilla stuff on other boards.

 

[Derek2011]

[quote="hofmichael":2vo2rxbk][quote="Leaf":2vo2rxbk][quote="Titans74":2vo2rxbk][quote="Leaf":2vo2rxbk][quote="Titans74":2vo2rxbk][quote="tikitomoka":2vo2rxbk]I just don't get the fascination with leaf. Mediocre "high end" product after mediocre "high end" product with the same BS from Brian each time. I'd venture to guess that this will be labeled as leaf hating, since anything said against leaf is, but it is just something I've truly never understood. None of these products are particularly eye-appealing, nor are they particularly "innovative", regardless of the sweet talking done to mask it. I'd be curious to see what leaf could do if they were to just back off from the FCB-fueled publicity for awhile and just let the products do the talking. But, I don't think that would end well for the leaf entity.

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
Exactly what I have said time and again. But of course We're just "trolling". Without the FCB hype train, Leaf wouldn't last 6 months. But then again Leaf, just as Razor did, would just pop up under a new name promising new material while still delivering the same junk.

You are too funny...

My New Years Resolution is to love even the trolls and those who blindly hate.

My other resolution is to spend more time listening to those who express intelligent well thought out, rational
opinions and less time on those have no interest in meaningful discussion besides talking smack and making false/dumb statements.

Intelligent criticism like that of Blanning last night will ALWAYS be welcome.

BG

This is far from blind hate. This is calling a spade a spade. Did you or did you not at one time vow to never use a ****** signature in your products? A simple yes or no.

I know it's hard for you to keep your cool and not go all crazy ballistic on those of us who don't like you, your product and see you for what you really are. So I guess calling me or any of us a troll is the next best thing. It's ok, I forgive you. You lack any real creativity in your products, why should I expect any more from you in your name calling?

I can thank you though. I've made more money off side bet over/unders from your multiple self imposed "permanent departure" temper tantrums than anyone has made trying to flip you crappy products. So thanks

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone.
I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

Fortunately, I dont care about you or you patronage at this point.
I am concerned with my customers and those open minded enough to someday be good customers.

Have a great 2012. As I said, I have nothing but love fore the dissenters.

BG

I haven't always agreed with things you have done but using ****** as a historical figure(alone or paired with FDR) is not harmful in my book.He was a disgusting human being but like it or not he was an important historical figure.[/quote:2vo2rxbk]

Not only that, but I am not China...
I am not sure I should be the censor of what people collect...
They will decide with their wallet... BG[/quote:2vo2rxbk]

I am not familar with the upcoming cut products but
do you have plans to use cuts of any other dictators?[/quote:2vo2rxbk]

"Dictator" is a compliment when used to describe Adolf ******. ****** makes Bin Laden look like a Saint. Using his auto in a product you make is a flat-out mistake, a dumb decision. You've repeatedly justified this grave error by claiming it's ok, that you paired him with FDR, a good guy. Wrong Brian. When Beckett reports that there's a ****** auto in your product you'll realize the full magnitude of your action. Why no Bush/Bin Laden pairing? You couldn't find the terrorist's autograph? If you could, would that also be ok with you? You say you give collectors what they want, via "dream packs". BS. How many people requested a ****** auto? Keep spewing your justification for this Brian, because it all just goes to show the collecting world that you could care less that ****** was personally responsible for the deaths of 10 million human beings.[/quote:2vo2rxbk]
The Horrors of War set had a solo ****** cut.Why aren't you bitching to them about it?Just because he used a ****** cut doesn't make the man a ****. For some reason people cannot separate their beliefs and history when it comes to ******.[/quote:2vo2rxbk]

Agree 100% with the above

I wonder, if Stalin was included, would the uproar be as loud???

Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered from a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state. In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalins reign, range from 10 million to 60 million.[/quote:2vo2rxbk]



+1!! It's nothing more or less than historical significance. It isn't promoting such beliefs or behavior, just recognizing it in the appropriate set as without them and their actions, there may not even have been said war to have a "Horrors of War" set!

EDIT: Plus, that's why it's called the HORRORS of War and not the Pleasantries of War

 

[Titans74]

Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone. I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).

So you think this justifies a blatant lie? One of several you've been caught in I might add. Well I didn't put JUST ******. I paired him with someone else. Really Brian? Really? C'mon now lol You really are the epitamy of a used car salesman. Take a lemon or in your case knockoff items and ideas from other companies, polish them up with a quick shine and try to sell them as something the consumer can't live without, asked for and must have.
Through all of the hype product after product, each has fallen miserably short. Card shop after card shop refuse to carry your products. Very telling in and of itself. Lucky for me I saw through your gimmicks from the start. And thankfully there are others who, after losing their arses on your 3rd rate (and that's a compliment) products and schemes, are finally coming around and seeing the truth as well.

I will give you credit for playing the game well. You have many here on FCB still eating out of the palm of your hand and buying into your empty promises. Waiting on the next product you hype up in hopes that it will be better than the last disaster. Reality is what it is.Then you play the "I'm here. I listen. I deliver what you want." card. So long as you have suckers all cooped up in one place, you'll say and do anything to keep a captive audience. I stand by what I have said. Should all of FCB boycott your products for one whole year, your would be out of business in half that time.

 

[clayb31]

This (like all other leaf threads) started out as an interesting thread regarding an upcoming product. Potential consumers had questions about the product (ie sticker autos or not) and the owner of the company personally answered these questions. Then the haters got involved and it sounded like a domestic dispute. BG belives in his products and is rightfully defending them. The haters sound like my wife when she gets mad. There is no reasoning with them, just let them hate the products. If I think a Kia is a piece of crap car, I just won't buy one. Not go on a car forum and talk about how they just half ass everone elses ideas. That is petty and childish. In all of the Leaf bashing, not one hater has offered one suggestion that would be "innovative". BG has time and time again answered the customers demands so if there is something "innovative" that he hasn't done, I'm sure he would be willing to try it. How many true innovations have been made in the card industry? Foil, better card stock, serial numbers, autographs, memorabilia....and all of that happened in the last 20 years. If you go back and look at each of these "innovations", Upper Deck came up with all of them. Topps made refractors. At the end of the day, cards are just paper with pictures on them. You can't add a gps, camera, or a touch screen to cards. They are what they are. I always enjoy hearing BG talk about the business side of the card industry. Its facinating. But these interesting threads always get ruined by a few people who are against Leaf for whatever reason. This is a hobby, something you enjoy doing to occupy your free time. Too many people are only concerned about how much you can make on ebay. Its really annoying to those of us who collect only because we enjoy it.

 

[ChasHawk]

What is wrong with people not liking things and saying so?

Brian did say that he would NEVER use a ****** cut...period.

He may have changed his mind now, but he did say that.

 

[matchpenalty]

Nothing wrong in Leaf haters fan club going on and on why hate Leaf. Or Leaf fan club saying why they like them. Also people change minds all the time. I've seen a few Leaf haters here vow to never buy or open their product again. Then new Leaf product hits and they are loving it and can't get enough of it. Big deal they said they never would buy it again. We all do it. I guess BG has so many haters they sit and record every detail of everything he posts. Gotta like that.
I give him big props for making a living in cut throat card business. Being the little guy with no license from big 4 but still offering stuff that is interesting. He is giving card collectors options at least. So many cry that their isn't enough stuff being put out. Rose and Lombardi collections are awesome. Doing the big inscriptions stuff is fresh. Ali was great. He took big gamble signing Ali in that deal. If all these genius here know so much about how to run a card business. Why aren't they doing it or working for Topps, Panini , UD ect.

 

[Pine Tar]

What is wrong with people not liking things and saying so?

Brian did say that he would NEVER use a ****** cut...period.

He may have changed his mind now, but he did say that.

I thoughthe said Rose was a one and done. But here he is in another product too. So I can take away from this that
he signed these when you had him do the Rose Product or these are stickers but he is still going to be in another product.
So not a one and done then?

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

What is wrong with people not liking things and saying so?

Brian did say that he would NEVER use a ****** cut...period.

He may have changed his mind now, but he did say that.

I thoughthe said Rose was a one and done. But here he is in another product too. So I can take away from this that
he signed these when you had him do the Rose Product or these are stickers but he is still going to be in another product.
So not a one and done then?

I believe BG said there would not be another "Just Rose" product. I on the other hand would like to see another one as the Rose has been my favorite... I am sure Rose and Ichiro autos will be in EVERY product from now on. You pay big $$$ for these autos you have to throw them in every product to put a shine on it. Not a bad thing at all...

 

[hofmichael]

What is wrong with people not liking things and saying so?

Brian did say that he would NEVER use a ****** cut...period.

He may have changed his mind now, but he did say that.

I thoughthe said Rose was a one and done. But here he is in another product too. So I can take away from this that
he signed these when you had him do the Rose Product or these are stickers but he is still going to be in another product.
So not a one and done then?

Are you sure he didn't mean the Rose Collection product was a one and done?So he didn't make the mistake he did with Ali Metal?

 

[James52411]

BG wrote:
Yes, I will NEVER feature ****** alone. I will feature him with FDR as a combination (as that gives historical depth and perspective).



So you think this justifies a blatant lie? One of several you've been caught in I might add. Well I didn't put JUST ******. I paired him with someone else. Really Brian? Really? C'mon now lol You really are the epitamy of a used car salesman. Take a lemon or in your case knockoff items and ideas from other companies, polish them up with a quick shine and try to sell them as something the consumer can't live without, asked for and must have.
Through all of the hype product after product, each has fallen miserably short. Card shop after card shop refuse to carry your products. Very telling in and of itself. Lucky for me I saw through your gimmicks from the start. And thankfully there are others who, after losing their arses on your 3rd rate (and that's a compliment) products and schemes, are finally coming around and seeing the truth as well.

I will give you credit for playing the game well. You have many here on FCB still eating out of the palm of your hand and buying into your empty promises. Waiting on the next product you hype up in hopes that it will be better than the last disaster. Reality is what it is.Then you play the "I'm here. I listen. I deliver what you want." card. So long as you have suckers all cooped up in one place, you'll say and do anything to keep a captive audience. I stand by what I have said. Should all of FCB boycott your products for one whole year, your would be out of business in half that time.

_________________
Happy Holidays!

I don't think this thread has gotten too negative. All I see is Titans74 continuously wishing Brian a Happy Holidays!

 

[allstars]

If all these <guys> here know so much about how to run a card business. Why aren't they doing it or working for Topps, Panini , UD ect.

Some of us do. 22 years now & still loving every minute of it. I've never sold any razor/leaf products, nor have I had a single request for any of it. Reason being I don't see any value in unlicensed cards, definately nothing personal against BG or his company. I never sold Classic, Press Pass or Sage either. No Tri-Star and no grab-bag products either. No pogs or beanie babies, you get the point. I don't sell any products I don't believe in. That's my decision as a retailer.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

If all these <guys> here know so much about how to run a card business. Why aren't they doing it or working for Topps, Panini , UD ect.

Some of us do. 22 years now & still loving every minute of it. I've never sold any razor/leaf products, nor have I had a single request for any of it. Reason being I don't see any value in unlicensed cards, definately nothing personal against BG or his company. I never sold Classic, Press Pass or Sage either. No Tri-Star and no grab-bag products either. No pogs or beanie babies, you get the point. I don't sell any products I don't believe in. That's my decision as a retailer.

your store didnt have any demand for Shaq cards in 1992? i find that hard to believe.

 

[allstars]

your store didnt have any demand for Shaq cards in 1992? i find that hard to believe.

All the licensed companies made plenty of Shaq rookies in '92. And yes, the demand was overwhelming.

 

[Musial Collector]

What is wrong with people not liking things and saying so?

Brian did say that he would NEVER use a ****** cut...period.

He may have changed his mind now, but he did say that.

This thread was about the below, NOT ******!!!
That is the point some are trying to make
This started off as a good info thread, then the haters derailed it
The mod staff should not let **** like this happen with these Leaf thread
Yes, I get it, FREEDOMcardboard, but JC, stop beating a dead horse people

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2011 LEAF LEGENDS OF SPORT TRADING CARDS

This exciting early 2012 release features one of the strongest multi-sport Hall of Fame and superstar checklists of all time. This premium trading card release features 120pt thick autographed cards by some of sport's biggest names...

Look for exciting autograph subsets, including:

Award Winners - signed cards featuring those athletes who have been distinguished by major awards

Moments of Greatness - signed cards featuring specific career highlights of some of sport's greatest names

Remembering the Games- signed cards featuring former Olympians who made America proud

Numeration - signed cards numbered to the featured players jersey number

Perennial All-Stars - signed cards numbered to the number of All-Star games in which the featured player appeared

Dual Signatures - featuring dual signed cards of sports greats (including the first Ichiro / Pete Rose dual auto)



In addition, Look for cut signature cards featuring Sports Legends such as:

Babe Ruth --- Sandy Koufax --- Hank Aaron --- Roberto Clemente --- Joe Namath AND MANY MORE……



EVERY CARD IN THE PRODUCT IS AUTOGRAPHED. EVERY CARD NUMBERED TO 50 OR LESS (LOOK FOR PARALLELS AS LIMITED AS 1/1!!!!!)

 

[matfanofold]

As a retailer, one has the ability to sell or not sell what they choose. If they find their customers and prefrence(s) to selling should only be MLB licensed stuff and/or mainstream products then so be it. Me personally, I love the fact my LCS offers a wide variety of collectables, MLB licensed or otherwise. Furthermore, if I were to run a shop, I'd want to keep my stock as fresh and diverse as possible, but thats just me. Some do not want to take the time, hassle, or risk of trying to introduce something new to their customers, perhaps something they may not know about or even care about. But to deny ones customers the ability to generate interest and/or offer them something even if only few may bite seems fruitless to me.

Thanksfully my LCS embraces the cardboard hobby as a whole and offers it's customers everything the hobby has to offer without exception. This is why he is one of the rare brick and mortar stores that is flourishing. But like I said, it's up to the retailer to decide, however decisions like this speak volumes about ones ability to accomidate any potential customer.