2012 BOWMAN FINALIZED AUTOGRAPH CHECKLIST (Stacked!)

[Jaypers]

Re: 2012 BOWMAN FINALIZED AUTOGRAPH CHECKLIST

got it, thanks!

so no diff between regular Bowman autos and Bowman chrome?

My explanation was in reference to Bowman Chrome.

 

[Topnotchsy]

Matt Moore elite autos? Anyone?

People also have the perception that once chrome comes out, Elite will suffer. This is a TOTAL joke. Not true, and I actually love the shortsitedness. Allows make to profit even further.

I would argue that Moore only proves the point. The best pitching prospect in baseball and his Elite RC Auto is a $40 card. Without a Bowman Chrome Auto I would guess it would be worth twice that.

No one is saying that there is no money to be made on Elite cards, or that there is not a good time to buy them. In fact I would say that the fact that demand curve shifts downward creates an opportunity to buy shortly after Chrome comes out as the introduction of Chrome does not eliminate the market, only lessen the demand (so buying in when people are selling and the demand has lessened offers a nice chance to get in at a low buy in.) That said, the economics absolutely change when a Chrome Auto comes out, and Cæter?s p?ribus, an Elite auto for a player without a Chrome auto will do far better than one for a player with.

To throw out a historical example:
In 2003 Hanley Ramirez and Ryan Howard both had RC autographs in Bowman's Best. Hanley also had a Chrome auto while Howard's only other option was a (highly collectible) Elite Auto /100. When Howard got hot his RC Auto went as high as $600-800. In all the time that Hanley was a top 2-3 player in the game, his Bowman's Best Auto never went above $75 or so. The vast majority of the increases Hanley saw went to his Bowman Chrome Auto.

Anecdotally, I can list you a whole bunch of very significant rookie autographs from sets outside of Bowman Chrome:
Roy Halladay (Bowman)
Carl Crawford (Topps Traded)
Miguel Cabrera (Topps Traded)
Robinson Cano (Bowman Heritage)
Ryan Howard (Bowman's Best)
Mark Teixeira (Ultimate Collection)
Troy Tulowitzki (Topps Rookie Cup)

Note that not a single one has a Bowman Chrome RC Auto.

For players who have some really sweet rookie autographs from rare sets but also have a Bowman Chrome RC card:
Justin Verlander (Ultimate Collection)
Tim Lincecum (many including Exquisite)
Hanley Ramirez (Bowman's Best)
Albert Pujols (SPx)

The card that is always viewed as "the card" is their Bowman Chrome RC Auto.

 

[Superfractor]

Is there a complete prospect base checklist? This list - while awesome - does nothing for me.

 

[CAROLINA BOSOX]

Jackie Bradley on Chrome! I like it

 

[ballerskrip]

Matt Moore elite autos? Anyone?

People also have the perception that once chrome comes out, Elite will suffer. This is a TOTAL joke. Not true, and I actually love the shortsitedness. Allows make to profit even further.

I would argue that Moore only proves the point. The best pitching prospect in baseball and his Elite RC Auto is a $40 card. Without a Bowman Chrome Auto I would guess it would be worth twice that.

No one is saying that there is no money to be made on Elite cards, or that there is not a good time to buy them. In fact I would say that the fact that demand curve shifts downward creates an opportunity to buy shortly after Chrome comes out as the introduction of Chrome does not eliminate the market, only lessen the demand (so buying in when people are selling and the demand has lessened offers a nice chance to get in at a low buy in.) That said, the economics absolutely change when a Chrome Auto comes out, and Cæter?s p?ribus, an Elite auto for a player without a Chrome auto will do far better than one for a player with.

To throw out a historical example:
In 2003 Hanley Ramirez and Ryan Howard both had RC autographs in Bowman's Best. Hanley also had a Chrome auto while Howard's only other option was a (highly collectible) Elite Auto /100. When Howard got hot his RC Auto went as high as $600-800. In all the time that Hanley was a top 2-3 player in the game, his Bowman's Best Auto never went above $75 or so. The vast majority of the increases Hanley saw went to his Bowman Chrome Auto.

Anecdotally, I can list you a whole bunch of very significant rookie autographs from sets outside of Bowman Chrome:
Roy Halladay (Bowman)
Carl Crawford (Topps Traded)
Miguel Cabrera (Topps Traded)
Robinson Cano (Bowman Heritage)
Ryan Howard (Bowman's Best)
Mark Teixeira (Ultimate Collection)
Troy Tulowitzki (Topps Rookie Cup)

Note that not a single one has a Bowman Chrome RC Auto.

For players who have some really sweet rookie autographs from rare sets but also have a Bowman Chrome RC card:
Justin Verlander (Ultimate Collection)
Tim Lincecum (many including Exquisite)
Hanley Ramirez (Bowman's Best)
Albert Pujols (SPx)

The card that is always viewed as "the card" is their Bowman Chrome RC Auto.

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

 

[Jaypers]

Jackie Bradley on Chrome! I like it

He actually already has a USA Chrome Auto (albeit on a sticker).

 

[Topnotchsy]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

 

[sigma_chi]

I wonder if Oscar Tavares will have his name on the card or will they refer to him as "Minor League Guy?"

 

[chromerookies]

I wonder if Oscar Tavares will have his name on the card or will they refer to him as "Minor League Guy?"

:lol:
Nice! I was definitely happy to see his name on the list, as I've been waiting for him to have a chrome and the fact that its an auto is even sweeter!

 

[padremurph]

Nice to see Ross and Hedges in there. Don't think I'm going to try to build a stash but will probably pick up a blue if each.

 

[rum151man]

Does Jemile Weeks have a bowman chrome auto? Is he going to have one???

I have some nice bowman sterling autos but was waiting to see if he had a bowman chrome auto rc

 

[BBCgalaxee]

So basically there are 15 top autos in this cl? Am I right?

 

[bear0555]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

I feel that using only Matt Moore as an example is a weak way to make a point. I was trying to dump some Jarrod Parker Autos a couple months back and had an easier time moving 08 Chrome autos than 07 Elite autos. Also, Moore rise from unknown to elite prospect is more the exception than the rule, especially if you've invested in a good amount of prospects. Moore proves that dumping Elite in favor of Chrome is not necessary, but it seems to be a better idea to do so in more cases than not.

 

[CAROLINA BOSOX]

Jackie Bradley on Chrome! I like it

He actually already has a USA Chrome Auto (albeit on a sticker).

You are right, I forgot about that one. This one will be even better because he will be wearing a RedSox uni.

 

[ballerskrip]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

I feel that using only Matt Moore as an example is a weak way to make a point. I was trying to dump some Jarrod Parker Autos a couple months back and had an easier time moving 08 Chrome autos than 07 Elite autos. Also, Moore rise from unknown to elite prospect is more the exception than the rule, especially if you've invested in a good amount of prospects. Moore proves that dumping Elite in favor of Chrome is not necessary, but it seems to be a better idea to do so in more cases than not.

Again, I disagree. The statement was the Elite will LOSE VALUE when bowman chrome autos come out. This is not the case. They might not INCREASE at the levels that you would like, but that doesn't mean they have lost value either. Moore was not obscure last year when elite came out, many people were buying him.

skrip

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I've got to be honest, I am shocked at the checklist. Probably as good as I have seen, wow. Topps may actually give 2 craps about the auto checklist outside of including a few big names.

If anything it keeps prospectors on the hook for future releases that may not be as impressive.

 

[GAbballplayer148]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

I feel that using only Matt Moore as an example is a weak way to make a point. I was trying to dump some Jarrod Parker Autos a couple months back and had an easier time moving 08 Chrome autos than 07 Elite autos. Also, Moore rise from unknown to elite prospect is more the exception than the rule, especially if you've invested in a good amount of prospects. Moore proves that dumping Elite in favor of Chrome is not necessary, but it seems to be a better idea to do so in more cases than not.

Again, I disagree. The statement was the Elite will LOSE VALUE when bowman chrome autos come out. This is not the case. They might not INCREASE at the levels that you would like, but that doesn't mean they have lost value either. Moore was not obscure last year when elite came out, many people were buying him.

skrip

skrip,

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are a very educated member, and very well respected. I think you are taking the statement about the Elite's losing value a little too literally. Of course they aren't going to be worthless, but as top pointed out, anytime someone has more than one viable option for a RC auto, one will come out ahead, and one will suffer. In most cases, the Chrome Auto will outsell the Elite Auto (or any other branded auto, such as Bowman's Best, Leaf Certified, Bowman Sterling, etc.). In the case of Moore, his Elite would probably be a $100+ card right now if it weren't for his chrome autograph. While the chrome auto doesn't take away ALL value from Elite's, it definitely has a negative impact on the ceiling of the Elite Autos.

 

[Jared]

Some real good names on that list. I have made some money already on guys with previous releases and I'm glad that I took the profit instead of waiting to hear that they have a chrome autograph scheduled to release. I'm talking Andrelton Simmons and Xander Bogaerts for example.

 

[ballerskrip]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

I feel that using only Matt Moore as an example is a weak way to make a point. I was trying to dump some Jarrod Parker Autos a couple months back and had an easier time moving 08 Chrome autos than 07 Elite autos. Also, Moore rise from unknown to elite prospect is more the exception than the rule, especially if you've invested in a good amount of prospects. Moore proves that dumping Elite in favor of Chrome is not necessary, but it seems to be a better idea to do so in more cases than not.

Again, I disagree. The statement was the Elite will LOSE VALUE when bowman chrome autos come out. This is not the case. They might not INCREASE at the levels that you would like, but that doesn't mean they have lost value either. Moore was not obscure last year when elite came out, many people were buying him.

skrip

skrip,

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are a very educated member, and very well respected. I think you are taking the statement about the Elite's losing value a little too literally. Of course they aren't going to be worthless, but as top pointed out, anytime someone has more than one viable option for a RC auto, one will come out ahead, and one will suffer. In most cases, the Chrome Auto will outsell the Elite Auto (or any other branded auto, such as Bowman's Best, Leaf Certified, Bowman Sterling, etc.). In the case of Moore, his Elite would probably be a $100+ card right now if it weren't for his chrome autograph. While the chrome auto doesn't take away ALL value from Elite's, it definitely has a negative impact on the ceiling of the Elite Autos.

First off, thank you. Secondly, I think your point is well made and you are right on. The truth is that the more options you have for a player, the lower the potential price point is. That is the same for all products, not just the secondary choices. I feel that too many folks panic, and panic fast when they see another option coming out.

Let use Chris Sale for example. I would choose his chrome auto as the #1 choice for card to have. But sterling base autos prove that there is money to be made. You could grab these For $2-$3 each for quite some time. I just sold multiple BGS 9.5/10 sterling base autos for $35 each. I also just recently bought 8 more sterling base autos for $3 each. I am guessing I will quadruple my money on those. I realize this is off topic, but there is plenty of financial gain to be had on the "secondary" cards of many players.
skrip

 

[GAbballplayer148]

[quote="ballerskrip":g25ub72k]

Disagreed on Moore Elites. They were very attainable in the $12-$16 range for a LONG TIME. Now that he has a chrome auto, it is 2.5-3.5 more valuable. Thus the chrome auto in this case, did not have a negative impact. The elite has risen dramatically.

Wasn't that long before he was a top prospect? Prices have obviously gone up in his case, but IMO they would have gone up much much had there not been a Chrome auto. As mentioned, compare him to other best pitching prospects the prices are really pretty low. (Again, not saying that there is no room to profit on it, just that the addition of Chrome shifts the market quite a bit.)

I feel that using only Matt Moore as an example is a weak way to make a point. I was trying to dump some Jarrod Parker Autos a couple months back and had an easier time moving 08 Chrome autos than 07 Elite autos. Also, Moore rise from unknown to elite prospect is more the exception than the rule, especially if you've invested in a good amount of prospects. Moore proves that dumping Elite in favor of Chrome is not necessary, but it seems to be a better idea to do so in more cases than not.

Again, I disagree. The statement was the Elite will LOSE VALUE when bowman chrome autos come out. This is not the case. They might not INCREASE at the levels that you would like, but that doesn't mean they have lost value either. Moore was not obscure last year when elite came out, many people were buying him.

skrip

skrip,

I've seen enough of your posts to know that you are a very educated member, and very well respected. I think you are taking the statement about the Elite's losing value a little too literally. Of course they aren't going to be worthless, but as top pointed out, anytime someone has more than one viable option for a RC auto, one will come out ahead, and one will suffer. In most cases, the Chrome Auto will outsell the Elite Auto (or any other branded auto, such as Bowman's Best, Leaf Certified, Bowman Sterling, etc.). In the case of Moore, his Elite would probably be a $100+ card right now if it weren't for his chrome autograph. While the chrome auto doesn't take away ALL value from Elite's, it definitely has a negative impact on the ceiling of the Elite Autos.

First off, thank you. Secondly, I think your point is well made and you are right on. The truth is that the more options you have for a player, the lower the potential price point is. That is the same for all products, not just the secondary choices. I feel that too many folks panic, and panic fast when they see another option coming out.

Let use Chris Sale for example. I would choose his chrome auto as the #1 choice for card to have. But sterling base autos prove that there is money to be made. You could grab these For $2-$3 each for quite some time. I just sold multiple BGS 9.5/10 sterling base autos for $35 each. I also just recently bought 8 more sterling base autos for $3 each. I am guessing I will quadruple my money on those. I realize this is off topic, but there is plenty of financial gain to be had on the "secondary" cards of many players.
skrip[/quote:g25ub72k]


I agree 100% that there is money to be made on secondary cards of players. I think the original point, though, was that you couldn't make as much off of those secondary cards once a Bowman Chrome auto is released.