2013 Bowman Jumbo & Hobby Odds

[BowmanChromeAddict]

All I can say is that I do not have cases and these odds were passed to me through a couple different hands. I don't know who has their product, but here are the odds none-the-less.

Chrome Base Parallels
Ref - 1:21
Blue - 1:42
Black - 1:68
Gold - 1:209
Orange - 1:419
Red - 1:1346
Super - 1:6728


Rare Bowman Parallels
Silver Ice - 1:6
Red Ice - 1:269
Purple Ice - 1:672
White Ice - 1:6728


Miscellaneous
Best of Bowman Blue Sapphire Autograph Refractor - 1:61837
AFLAC/Under Armour Autos - 1:644
Lucky 5 Redemption Autos - 1:11170


Chrome Minis (No base, all are at least Refs)
Refs - 1:2
Blue - 1:31
Red - 1:987
Super - 1:4954


Rookie Autos
Base - 1:53
Ref - 1:122
Blue - 1:187
Gold - 1:934
Orange - 1:1868
Red - 1:9337
Super - 1:46683


Prospect Autos
Base - 1:7
Ref - 1:30
Blue - 1:99
Gold - 1:289
Orange - 1:578
Purple - 1:1080
Red - 1:2890
Super - 1:14450

 

[P_Manning 18]

Refractors 1:21 You arn't guaranteed a refractor in a box? Are they serial numbered again?

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

Refractors 1:21 You arn't guaranteed a refractor in a box? Are they serial numbered again?

Those are the prospect refractors and yes, /500 from what I understand.

 

[Erich]

How do these #s hold up to last years?

 

[Jaypers]

How do these #s hold up to last years?

Went digging, and found this, from last year:

Base card and prospects:
International: 1:8
Blue-Bordered: 1:5
Orange-Bordered: 1:10
Red -Bordered: 1:2,040
Silcver Ice: 1:6
Red Ice: 1:78

Chrome Prospects Parallels:
Ref.: 1:9
Blue: 1:17
Gold: 1:83
Orange: 1:166
Red: 1:952
Super: 1:4,700

Bowman's Best:
Ref.: 1:153
X-fractor: 1:602
Atomic: 1:11,100

Printing Plate: 1:164

Lucky Redemption #1 : 1:15,000
Lucky Redemption #2 : 1:11,000
Lucky Redemption #3 : 1:7,800

All-American Auto: 1:220

Autographed Rookie Originals: 1:2,150

Bowman Black Auto: 1:707

Chrome Prospects Auto:
Group A: 1:8
Group B: 1:198
Group C: 1:228
Group D: 1:296

Chrome Prospects Auto Parallels:
Ref.: 1:24
Blue: 1:77
Gold: 1:230
Orange: 1:460
Red: 1:2,315
Purple: 1:824
Super: 1:11,400
Plate: 1:2,066

Chrome Autograph Rookies:
Group A: 1:231
Group B: 1:56

Chrome Autograph Rookies Parallels:
Ref.: 1:98
Blue: 1:197
Gold: 1:718
Orange: 1:1,435
Red: 1:7,250
Super: 1:35,000
Plate: 1:7,144

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

[TABLE="width: 470"]
[TR]
[TD]2012[/TD]
[TD]2013[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Base card and prospects:[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold Border 1:1[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]International: 1:8[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blue-Bordered: 1:5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orange-Bordered: 1:10[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red -Bordered: 1:2,040[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Silver Ice: 1:6[/TD]
[TD]Silver Ice - 1:6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red Ice: 1:78[/TD]
[TD]Red Ice - 1:269[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Purple Ice - 1:672[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]White Ice - 1:6728[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chrome Prospects Parallels:[/TD]
[TD]Chrome Base Parallels[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ref.: 1:9[/TD]
[TD]Ref - 1:21[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blue: 1:17[/TD]
[TD]Blue - 1:42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Black - 1:68[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold: 1:83[/TD]
[TD]Gold - 1:209[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orange: 1:166[/TD]
[TD]Orange - 1:419[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red: 1:952[/TD]
[TD]Red - 1:1346[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Super: 1:4,700[/TD]
[TD]Super - 1:6728[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bowman's Best:[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ref.: 1:153[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]X-fractor: 1:602[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Atomic: 1:11,100[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Printing Plate: 1:164[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lucky Redemption #1: 1:15,000[/TD]
[TD]Lucky 5 Redemption Autos - 1:11170[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lucky Redemption #2: 1:11,000[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lucky Redemption #3: 1:7,800[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]All-American Auto: 1:220[/TD]
[TD]AFLAC/Under Armour Autos - 1:644[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Autographed Rookie Originals: 1:2,150[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bowman Black Auto: 1:707[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chrome Prospects Auto:[/TD]
[TD]Prospect Autos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group A: 1:8[/TD]
[TD]Base - 1:7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group B: 1:198[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group C: 1:228[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group D: 1:296[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chrome Prospects Auto Parallels:[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ref.: 1:24[/TD]
[TD]Ref - 1:30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blue: 1:77[/TD]
[TD]Blue - 1:99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold: 1:230[/TD]
[TD]Gold - 1:289[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orange: 1:460[/TD]
[TD]Orange - 1:578[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red: 1:2,315[/TD]
[TD]Purple - 1:1080[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Purple: 1:824[/TD]
[TD]Red - 1:2890[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Super: 1:11,400[/TD]
[TD]Super - 1:14450[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Plate: 1:2,066[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chrome Autograph Rookies:[/TD]
[TD]Rookie Autos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group A: 1:231[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Group B: 1:56[/TD]
[TD]Base - 1:53[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chrome Autograph Rookies Parallels:[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ref.: 1:98[/TD]
[TD]Ref - 1:122[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blue: 1:197[/TD]
[TD]Blue - 1:187[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gold: 1:718[/TD]
[TD]Gold - 1:934[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Orange: 1:1,435[/TD]
[TD]Orange - 1:1868[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Red: 1:7,250[/TD]
[TD]Red - 1:9337[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Super: 1:35,000[/TD]
[TD]Super - 1:46683[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Plate: 1:7,144[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[abt3509]

I just can't believe that these numbers are true. That would be horrible if so. Chrome parallels averaging 1/box?? Where did black refractors come from?

 

[jess0304]

why are the parallels so much harder to pull? Does it get balanced out by the minis?

WOW, these bowman throwback autos are going to sell enormous with how tough they are to pull.

 

[Waulk11]

Which auto cards are sp for 2012 bowman?
Chrome Prospects Auto: Prospect Autos
Group A: 1:8 Base - 1:7
Group B: 1:198
Group C: 1:228
Group D: 1:296

 

[Erich]

If those numbers hold true there are going to be a bunch of very unhappy case breakers.

 

[mredsox89]

Based on the prospect/RC auto odds, in a 12 pack jumbo case, you would be "expected to receive":

Prospect Autos
Base autos: 1.7
Ref Autos: 0.4
Blue: 0.12
Gold: .04
Orange: .02
Purple: .01
Red/Super: Negligible

Total of 2.28 prospect autos per box

RC Autos
Base: .22
Ref: .098
Blue: .06
Gold: .01
Orange+: Negligible

Total: .388

Total: 2.28 + .388 = 2.67

So a few potential things this could mean

A. Odds aren't correct
B. Insert autos make up for that extra .33 autos per box (they therefore replace prospect/RC autos)
C. My math is incorrect

Hopefully the odds aren't correct, because otherwise there are going to be a lot of dry cases

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

The Mini Chrome Insert set should be pretty valuable. 150 card set, refractors will fall every 2 packs in jumbos. So while they won't be numbered, I don't think we can get all upset about the prospect refractors being so hard to hit. The mini's should be quite sought after...plus, don't forget this your first chance to get a Yasiel Puig that isn't in a Leaf set.

 

[mredsox89]

The mini inserts based on these odds would seem to be mass produced. If you are looking at 72 per case, you can probably come close to making a case with 3 jumbo cases. Would be decent value, and prob better than prospect refractors in regular years purely due to the names

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

Hobby Odds - same situation as before. I don't have product, but I was provided with the odds.

Chrome Base Parallels
Ref - 1:67
Blue - 1:134
Black - 1:217
Gold - 1:670
Orange - 1:1341
Red - 1:4306
Super - 1:21528


Rare Bowman Parallels
Silver Ice - 1:24
Red Ice - 1:431
Purple Ice - 1:1076
White Ice - 1:10764


Miscellaneous
Best of Bowman Blue Sapphire Autograph Refractor - 1:97376
AFLAC/Under Armour Autos - 1:2059
Lucky 5 Redemption Autos - 1:35745


Chrome Minis (No base, all are at least Refs)
Refs - 1:6
Blue - 1:98
Red - 1:3157
Super - 1:15787


Rookie Autos
Base - 1:316
Ref - 1:729
Blue - 1:1121
Gold - 1:5602
Orange - 1:11204
Red - 1:56020
Super - 1:280096


Prospect Autos
Base - 1:38
Ref - 1:174
Blue - 1:578
Gold - 1:1734
Orange - 1:3468
Red - 1:17340
Super - 1:86697

 

[bmp1971]

1 blue bcp auto per case of jumbo boxes, and one gold bcp auto per 3 cases of jumbo: that is nauseating and shameful for Topps. And for hobby it's 1 blue auto per 2 cases of product and 1 gold au per 6+ cases of product? If they charge $300 a case for hobby and $500 a case for jumbo, the vast majority still wouldn't make their money back on auto and parallel sales alone, I'm sure.

The greed of this company should necessitate a strike from the buyers to take more control of the market and drive down prices and lessen the # of overall cases being produced.

If the odds are true, I, for one, will not be buying any of this wonderful new Bowman product.

 

[js0000001]

Black refractors......

 

[Bill Menard]

Maybe I'm off on this, but based on the #'s, 2013 Bowman is being massively overproduced compared to previous years?


Maybe allocation of jumbos pushed buy orders for regular boxes higher than in previous years? Does Topps produce to cover orders or do they produce x amount of product and when it's sold out, it's sold out?

 

[wickedliquids]

Perhaps Bowman is being overproduced to compensate for no draft being in retail this year/

Sent from my LG-LS696 using Freedom Card Board mobile app

 

[WaxPax]

No kidding, lots of busting , and little color in return.....Wow, just can't get over how long those odds have become

If those numbers hold true there are going to be a bunch of very unhappy case breakers.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

My guess is that the autographed boxtoppers and other auto inserts will make up for it.