2013 HOF

[Mighty Bombjack]

I'm saying voting has always been subjective and will continue to be... I'm not saying PEDs are a black and white issue like many/most of you guys are. As such I'm saying some voters will never vote for guys who used or were suspected to use, while other voters will vote for players who seemingly only used a little bit. Then there are the voters who'd vote for anyone regardless of PED use. Nothing surprising here.

Voters vote according to the egregiousness of the real or perceived offense, which is all anyone could expect. Voters may or may not have considered amphetamines serious enough to keep players out and/or they may have thought a particular player didn't abuse them enough to keep the player out of the hall.

Voters will of course be making subjective determinations, but most of the voting criteria are subjective anyway (sportsmanship, integrity, contributions to the game, character). Voters are entitled to vote this way, the Hall's rules demand it.

All true, and all reasons why there will eventually be many PED users in the Hall.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

As much as I think Belle should have gotten more consideration for the HOF, the HR/162, hits and RBI aren't great stats to use to try to compare the two (Bonds actually had a higher slugging % than Belle). I looked at baseball-reference for both their age 24-33 seasons (Basically the ages Belle played full seasons) and while Belle comes close to Bonds in a number of stats, Bonds also had an OBP 50 points higher than Belle, an OPS plus 35 points higher, stole about 250 more bases, played better defense and finished in the top 5 in the MVP vote 7 times (vs. Belle's 3). Not to mention that one of the seasons for Bonds, he was batting leadoff (his age 24 season in 1989), which would probably account for the difference in the HR and RBI numbers.

The biggest difference is that Bonds walked more often. Belle was on much better teams - heck, he hit with Frank Thomas and wasn't going to walk as often. I'm only saying this because they were comparable players. Belle didn't get MVP consideration for the same reason he didn't get HOF consideration.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

All true, and all reasons why there will eventually be many PED users in the Hall.

Voters right now aren't letting known users who really abused PEDs and the system (McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, Clemens) in and don't want to. These guys made themselves bigger than the game through their use and their lies which will cost them dearly.

Not sure about those who abused to a lesser extent yet, but its fair to think "the punishment will fit the crime".

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Not sure about those who abused to a lesser extent yet, but its fair to think "the punishment will fit the crime".

Who do you mean, exactly, and how do you know?

 

[sportscardtheory]

I think Piazza used PEDs, but don't know for sure. Do you?

Who are "the PEDs"?

The same can be said for Sosa and Clemens, but they get the XXXX end of the stick. I see no difference between them and Piazza. Piazza admitted to using andro, so who's to say he never used anything else.

 

[pootshwan]

little did I know, the answer was 0.

 

[predatorkj]

Here's something that people always seem to fail to recognize; the Baseball Hall of Fame is separate from MLB. It's their rules and they can ask their voters to vote however they please. So all this "the writers are being hypocrites" nonsense is just that... nonsense. MLB may have looked the other way on PEDs for decades, but the Baseball HOF sure doesn't have to.

Some of the same writers voting no now, did in fact look the other way at the time. Fine. But don't come back in such a holier than thou attitude down the road....