4 boxes of 2010 Razor Legends

[kentuckyderby]

correct
A checklist would be helpful
However, once the big pulls are gone and the checklist is known, yikes to those holding unopened product


I hate slot machines
A good gambler knows they are gimmicks

 

[kentuckyderby]

another psa 7 ryan just ended today

140

Guess I wasn't as crazy as some stated

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Upper Deck's SP Legendary Mystery Cuts redemptions are never known and they still go crazy pre-redemption. Hell, those redemptions don't even tell you what year you should expect the card, let alone who it is.

The mystery of the chase is 75% of the excitement on cracking packs/boxes like this.

But again, for the hundredth time...this product is clearly not marketed towards everyone.

 

[Leaf]

another psa 7 ryan just ended today

140

Guess I wasn't as crazy as some stated

I bought that one and my snipe was at $175.
BG

 

[kentuckyderby]

another psa 7 ryan just ended today

140

Guess I wasn't as crazy as some stated

I bought that one and my snipe was at $175.
BG

so if you didn't bid, it would have been less than 140?

 

[flagshipchromecollector]

That's a great idea for a product.

 

[coltsnsox07]

I just opened 1 and got a 1962 Home Run leaders autographed by Cepeda, not graded. Has Mays, Robinson and Cepeda on the card but only a Cepeda auto.

 

[Crash Davis]

another psa 7 ryan just ended today

140

Guess I wasn't as crazy as some stated

I bought that one and my snipe was at $175.
BG

so if you didn't bid, it would have been less than 140?

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

[Crash Davis]

Here is my query...

BG claims that if one person bought ALL of the packs, then he would get about a 75% ROI, is this correct? Then direct comparison(s) are made to other products and the percentage of average ROI, no? Well, is this not only half the story? Let me explain. Take Bowman draft for example. Is it fair to say the average ROI per box break is 35%?(I've heard both 30% and 40% so I am averaging them..) If so, what does this break down in real life terms, I mean on average, what percentage of boxs are we making money on? Would it be fair to say 1 out of 10 boxs are getting a positive ROI? 1 out of 20 boxs? 1 out of 5??? Point being, saying '75% ROI' when discussing total pack out is meaningless unless put in to context. If there is just 1 $30,000 Mantle in there and the next 1000 packs are a bust for ROI. And from what I have seen thus far, out of the, oh I dont know... ~100 packs busted, I have yet to see any card save for probablly 1 that I would consider a immediate positive ROI. There have been a few that have the potential to make the money back or atleast come close, and the rest were, well... not good for $~200.

So, the real question here is.....

Is all of that 75% ROI lumped up in couple cards while the rest are going to be disapointment? And if so, does knowing this change your feelings about the product and your potential for an actual 'hit'?

Because if this is appealing to you, I have a proposition...


I'll take 100 envelopes and stick $50 in 98 of them and $5000 in 2 of them. I'll sell each for $200 and randomly dispurse them. Sound good?

I can tell you that values are not skewed "that" badly.
The average pack yields a card between $100-$115. The worst card is $50. The best card is $30,000.
Tons of nice $250-1500 cards in the product. Its not all or nothing.
Doesn't seem too crazy to me, as this was a $185 factory cost.

While I am not goint to rest my laurels on delivering more value than others. I will stand behind my previous claim that 90% of all trading card releases yield under 35% acorss the print run (may even be worse).

This may seem like a "slot machine" to you, but it is sitting in the middle of the casino from Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase (translated for those who havent seen movie: best odds in a bad casino).

This is the nature of wax. Some win, some lose. When was the last time there was a $30,000 card in a very short produced release?

BG[/quote

I don't understand why you consistently base your ROI claim on factory cost. The majority of those who break this product don't pay factory, or wholesale.

 

[Leaf]

Here is my query...

BG claims that if one person bought ALL of the packs, then he would get about a 75% ROI, is this correct? Then direct comparison(s) are made to other products and the percentage of average ROI, no? Well, is this not only half the story? Let me explain. Take Bowman draft for example. Is it fair to say the average ROI per box break is 35%?(I've heard both 30% and 40% so I am averaging them..) If so, what does this break down in real life terms, I mean on average, what percentage of boxs are we making money on? Would it be fair to say 1 out of 10 boxs are getting a positive ROI? 1 out of 20 boxs? 1 out of 5??? Point being, saying '75% ROI' when discussing total pack out is meaningless unless put in to context. If there is just 1 $30,000 Mantle in there and the next 1000 packs are a bust for ROI. And from what I have seen thus far, out of the, oh I dont know... ~100 packs busted, I have yet to see any card save for probablly 1 that I would consider a immediate positive ROI. There have been a few that have the potential to make the money back or atleast come close, and the rest were, well... not good for $~200.

So, the real question here is.....

Is all of that 75% ROI lumped up in couple cards while the rest are going to be disapointment? And if so, does knowing this change your feelings about the product and your potential for an actual 'hit'?

Because if this is appealing to you, I have a proposition...


I'll take 100 envelopes and stick $50 in 98 of them and $5000 in 2 of them. I'll sell each for $200 and randomly dispurse them. Sound good?

I can tell you that values are not skewed "that" badly.
The average pack yields a card between $100-$115. The worst card is $50. The best card is $30,000.
Tons of nice $250-1500 cards in the product. Its not all or nothing.
Doesn't seem too crazy to me, as this was a $185 factory cost.

While I am not goint to rest my laurels on delivering more value than others. I will stand behind my previous claim that 90% of all trading card releases yield under 35% acorss the print run (may even be worse).

This may seem like a "slot machine" to you, but it is sitting in the middle of the casino from Vegas Vacation with Chevy Chase (translated for those who havent seen movie: best odds in a bad casino).

This is the nature of wax. Some win, some lose. When was the last time there was a $30,000 card in a very short produced release?

BG[/quote

I don't understand why you consistently base your ROI claim on factory cost. The majority of those who break this product don't pay factory, or wholesale.

Because thats what I sold it for. I cannot control what the market prices product at once I sell it.
Has anyone worked out ROI on Topps Pro Debut? Factory cost was $47. At $47, I bet its a 50%. At $75, I bet its 33%.
It's not Topps fault that the boxes have been "bid up" by dealers.
My point is that I spent a substantial percentage of factory cost to build the item.
I can assure you it is among the highest % content on a manufacturer's actual cost vs. wholesale in the marketplace.
BG

P.s.- Crash, it shouldnt matter to you as you have pledged your alleginace to other companies (and I'm great with that, collect what you like).
P.S. #2 - When dealers bid up an item, typically it is because it was too cheap at factory cost (i.e. - great value).