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Game-used jersey cards have been a staple in the market since Upper Deck included a now iconic Ken Griffey Jr Jersey card in its 1997 release. Recently, there have been a few developments that have undermined this hobby staple. The fact that card companies were duped into buying questionable jerseys from dealers that seemed legit is the hypothetical elephant in the room in today’s card scene. Most know it happened: no one wants to talk about it. Addressing the issue might just cause a bubble to pop and devalue the card market as a whole–I see it a bit differently. This is a chance for a fresh start when it comes to game used cards.


Collectors need to feel connected to the products that they buy. This is the key to value in products and thus the key to selling boxes. They can’t feel connected to any thing if this is all they know about the jersey they just obtained. “The relics contained in this card are not from any specific season, game or event” text has to be upgraded. The simple solution is to be more specific about what the material in the card is from. This used to be something that got done on a regular basis as companies used to be proud of where they got their material. The cards would even have a picture of the jersey used to make the card–adding a level of security and more importantly a connection with the collector.




If a manufacturer uses a jersey that is a sub premium jersey, then so be it. Put exactly what the jersey is from on the back of the card. If it’s an old-timers jersey, then collectors will just have to accept that. It is much better this way than having collectors question every single card that comes out of a pack. This is one of the main reason why I love the All Star jersey cards in Triple Threads and Updates and Highlights. You know specifically what jersey was used in the card.


I don’t consider this request to be unreasonable. I know it’s expensive to maintain a program such as this, but it is also vital to the survival of this hobby niche. Have a staff member that is sort of a custodian of records position; it would be his job to maintain card back integrity and make sure that the jersey card information on the back matched up. You as a manufacturer know your situation better than I possibly could, but this is an issue that needs to be a priority. A major quality improvement is needed if collectors are going to continue to drop the fat stacks of cash on product that is required to keep this industry afloat. If you think I’m kidding, then read a message board. There are always threads up on the FCB boards and Blowout’s message board complaining about the questionable nature of memorabilia in cards.


The MLB properties monopoly is killing the baseball card industry. Eventually it will hurt everyone involved including the Topps Company who has the said monopoly. Interest is at a low point as products are perceived as being the same ole copy and paste as it has been in the past. The value of wax boxes has been propped up by a perception of scarcity, and that simply cannot hold out.
Having said that, the industry does not need to go back to where it was. It needs to learn a lesson from the days of three manufacturers doing 30 sets a year. A happy medium has to be established. It would be great if the properties association would come up with a limited license for a few products a year from a different company. I don’t think five Panini America products a year would hurt Topps’ bottom line. I do think it would go a LONG way to getting some excitement back in the industry. I know it would take a minor miracle for this to happen–as all sides would have to agree and it would have to make financial sense for all involved. Stranger things have indeed happened.
 
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Agreed. Nobody likes fake Jersey...
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There's no reason to confuse GU issues with there being only one company currently with an MLB/MLBPA license as the GU issues you've described here have always been around - even when there were many licensed manufacturers. Most knowledgeable people would see this association you've made here as simple rhetoric.

There will always be a degree of suspicion with regard to GU... either from the manufacturers or from people swapping out GU/patches.
 

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Going back to early 2000s DLP, pics of the jersey on the back of the card would go a long way.
 

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There's no reason to confuse GU issues with there being only one company currently with an MLB/MLBPA license as the GU issues you've described here have always been around - even when there were many licensed manufacturers. Most knowledgeable people would see this association you've made here as simple rhetoric.

There will always be a degree of suspicion with regard to GU... either from the manufacturers or from people swapping out GU/patches.

The two issues bleed together at times. With more competition, more care would be placed with these issues.
 

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The two issues bleed together at times. With more competition, more care would be placed with these issues.

Actually having multiple manufacturers make the issue even more complicated and creates even less transparency because its easier to police a single manufacturer than multiple manufacturers.

But given everything as you said additional transparency does make a ton of sense as I'm a fan of manufacturers (and anyone) doing what they say they're going to do!
 

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This is one of the main reason why I love the All Star jersey cards in Triple Threads and Updates and Highlights.
You know specifically what jersey was used in the card.
Are you sure about that? This thread clearly shows you may know it's an All-Star jersey, but its not the player it's supposed to be:
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/threads/113382-Triple-Threads-Incorrect-Swatches!

Putting information or a picture of the specific jersey on the back of the card is better than the current way, but it still wouldn't give me peace of mind, with everything that's happened.
Just because there's a picture of the supposed uniform on the card's back, doesn't mean the old lady who glued the swatch on the card picked the correct player.
 

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Are you sure about that? This thread clearly shows you may know it's an All-Star jersey, but its not the player it's supposed to be:
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/threads/113382-Triple-Threads-Incorrect-Swatches!

Putting information or a picture of the specific jersey on the back of the card is better than the current way, but it still wouldn't give me peace of mind, with everything that's happened.
Just because there's a picture of the supposed uniform on the card's back, doesn't mean the old lady who glued the swatch on the card picked the correct player.


Yes, I saw that.

That is probably a screw up and an exception rather than the norm.
 

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Cats been out of the bag way too long on game used cards. Even a picture on back is meaningless. Now way of telling game used from a little picture or where it came from, who authenticated ect. Could easily be game issued, pro cut, retail authentic ect...
All comes down to if collectors are willing to take the GIANT leap of faith and trust the pieces of jersey is game worn. Then game worn from player pictured.
 

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Are you sure about that? This thread clearly shows you may know it's an All-Star jersey, but its not the player it's supposed to be:
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/threads/113382-Triple-Threads-Incorrect-Swatches!

Putting information or a picture of the specific jersey on the back of the card is better than the current way, but it still wouldn't give me peace of mind, with everything that's happened.
Just because there's a picture of the supposed uniform on the card's back, doesn't mean the old lady who glued the swatch on the card picked the correct player.

It's just human error always happened and always will. It's along the lines as the '57 Aaron reverse negative and other such goofs.
 

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I can maybe cut some slack for plain white Jersey pieces for Jersey cards numbered in the hundreds but when you actually have a high end limited Jersey or patches product it really is more about laziness and not caring, not human error. I mean for God's sake with regard to the all star triple threads card the authentication sticker is on the damn patch! I mean all it took was for people to look up the code online to find the error. You're telling me someone at Topps couldn't have done the same? Truth is Topps just doesn't care. If they did they would have easily caught those errors. Instead they just slap some boilerplate language on the back of the card to protect their asses, spit out as many Jersey, patch and bat cards they can the cheapest and quickest way possible and without having to waste any money on real quality control.

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this just in:

topps don't care about the jersey card you just pulled, only about what pack/box/case you are going to buy next week.

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Exactly. There is a huge difference between human error or mistake and simply not caring and putting minimal effort

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It's just human error always happened and always will. It's along the lines as the '57 Aaron reverse negative and other such goofs.

for once, we agree
Of course you agree; you're both card shop owners who rely on Topps and the sales of game used cards to stay in business.
For for us normal collectors, it goes way beyond "human error." It's laziness, poor quality control and not giving a crap about the consumer.

If I see TTT All-Star jerseys pulled, and they're of the wrong player, there's no way in hell I'm buying a box of those cards.
Same with any of the other modern garbage caused by shoddy "human error."

And comparing it to a '57 Topps Aaron reverse negative is absurd. Collectors weren't deceived by getting an error in a pack of cards in '57. They didn't pay a lot of money for a card of the wrong player.
But buy any jersey/patch card now and it's a crap shoot.
Why even take the chance anymore?
 

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