Actually Change Things?

[RiceLynnEvans75]

I never really understood the big deal about if the card was game/event/etc worn or whatever. I would just ask that the company be honest about it and maybe include a date and event/game that it was worn at. Otherwise, I don't get the big deal about whether or not some dude, most likely younger than me anyway, wore the item.

 

[BiggioBrooks755]

He has the best customer service out of baseball card companies. Topps, Panini, Leaf. you can't debate that.

Tell me one instance when someone in this business has come up with a new idea and asked if they like it. Topps Mini's in every set? They didn't ask about those.

They release products and then listen to feedback. If people hate it so much it won't be purchased and thus won't be released next time.

I don't think you are understanding the customer service side of this hobby. And the Leaf Trinity Garbage? Those cards still look better than 99% of what Topps releases even if the patches are only event worn.

That doesnt really take much at all....Great, you have better customer service out of Topps and Panini...Wonderful

You said if people hate it so much, it wont be released again? Really? Then why does Topps keep releasing the same crap over and over?

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Because it sells

 

[ASTROBURN]

That doesnt really take much at all....Great, you have better customer service out of Topps and Panini...Wonderful

You said if people hate it so much, it wont be released again? Really? Then why does Topps keep releasing the same crap over and over?

Because people buy it, time and time again

 

[maxe0213]

Whats so bad about leaf trinity? What am I missing here?

A lot of people hate that they are putting in patches that are "event worn" and not game worn.

Because it sells

Because people buy it, time and time again

Yep. If people don't buy Leaf Trinity they won't release it next year. Pretty obvious Biggio.

 

[BiggioBrooks755]

A lot of people hate that they are putting in patches that are "event worn" and not game worn.



Yep. If people don't buy Leaf Trinity they won't release it next year. Pretty obvious Biggio.

If they asked the customers what they wanted, it wouldnt have been released at all

 

[maxe0213]

If they asked the customers what they wanted, it wouldnt have been released at all

Since when do any companies do that in this hobby?

You can't be serious with what you are asking for.

 

[Topnotchsy]

You can't use logos. Would never work.

/endthread

Theodore Roosevelt
"The Man in the Arena" April 3, 1910

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

How would you REALLY change it?

Quite honestly, I don't see much, if any, "innovation" that can come along and change things.

I don't see any immediate fix to the hobby and think it's too far into the weeds at this point to actually do anything. My suggestion would be to go to the bare bones basics (flagship product), issue the rights to show logos to two other companies (Leaf and Panini) and keep it at that. Let things go from there. The hobby has been so consumed with so much crap in the last 20 years that it needs to be restarted in my opinion. There was the hobby boom in the 80's/early 90's and then things started to go downhill from there, right along the time of multiple products and higher pack costs.

Not saying just keep a flagship product forever, but start there for a few years and then grow again slowly from there. Sure, many people would bail now, but I think the regular base/flagship products are what got people into the hobby in the first place and it's still heavily collected. Grow the collecting population again first and then grow the card population, though a little more cautiously this time.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

If they asked the customers what they wanted, it wouldnt have been released at all

How would you suggest they reach out to the entire potential customer base?

 

[BiggioBrooks755]

How would you suggest they reach out to the entire potential customer base?

Imnot saying they have to hit everyone, but set up a website, do a poll, SOMETHING that proves you actually give a damn about the customers...Its not hard!

 

[maxe0213]

Imnot saying they have to hit everyone, but set up a website, do a poll, SOMETHING that proves you actually give a damn about the customers...Its not hard!

I think Leaf has shown many times that they do "give a damn" about their customers. They have a website. BG is very easy to contact. He frequents these forums. Its very easy to contact Leaf with any issues you may have.

 

[BBCgalaxee]

I'm still waiting for topps to call my store ONCE since I opened in 1998 tocheck how things are going or get advice.

Some years ago topps developed "topps pro" which was a site dedicated SOLELY to it's dealers complete with message boards etc.

Not once that I know of did they ever respond to anything asked to them. And this was THEIR site they developed for us dealers to communicate with each other and then.

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[BiggioBrooks755]

I think Leaf has shown many times that they do "give a damn" about their customers. They have a website. BG is very easy to contact. He frequents these forums. Its very easy to contact Leaf with any issues you may have.

Topps-www.topps.com
Panini-www.paniniamerica.net

Not really much of an argument...

 

[maxe0213]

Topps-www.topps.com
Panini-www.paniniamerica.net

Not really much of an argument...

You ignore everything that doesn't side with your argument. You haven't responded to half the things said in response to you. I'm not going to respond to you anymore in this thread as you just don't get it.

 

[BiggioBrooks755]

You ignore everything that doesn't side with your argument. You haven't responded to half the things said in response to you. I'm not going to respond to you anymore in this thread as you just don't get it.

Ok then

Thanks

 

[Mahoody]

Yep. If people don't buy Leaf Trinity they won't release it next year. Pretty obvious Biggio.

Alot of people bought into Leaf Valiant 2 years in a row ---ooops what happened ??

those people got the short end of the stick --- that's what happened

 

[maxe0213]

Alot of people bought into Leaf Valiant 2 years in a row ---ooops what happened ??

those people got the short end of the stick --- that's what happened

Not sure what you are trying to say. Lots of people buy Leaf Valiant therefore they keep releasing it.

 

[Mahoody]

Not sure what you are trying to say. Lots of people buy Leaf Valiant therefore they keep releasing it.

Really ??? when was it released this year........

EDIT : Baseball that is

 

[maxe0213]

Really ??? when was it released this year........

Did they not release it? I don't follow the Leaf prospect products like metal, valiant, ect. Clearly there was a problem if they didn't release it this year.