ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RR (please read)

[sportscardtheory]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

My god. The pointless bitching and moaning really needs to stop. Even if the Durant isn't authentic, it's on PSA, not Leaf. As for the card being in the product to begin with, why not? It's an IP auto that is PSA/DNA'd. These were stated to be in the product, case CLOSED.

 

[matfanofold]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

My god. The pointless bitching and moaning really needs to stop. Even if the Durant isn't authentic, it's on PSA, not Leaf. As for the card being in the product to begin with, why not? It's an IP auto that is PSA/DNA'd. These were stated to be in the product, case CLOSED.

Although I think placing a sticker on an otherwise original non-auto'd card should perhaps not have been in this product (without full disclosure of said concoction), I do agree that it's really somewhat a non-issue. I do find it interesting though that many do indeed seem put off by it, I kinda think I would be if I had pulled it. I guess what I'm saying is I can see both sides here...

 

[aarne13]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Threats against users can't be good for business or FCB for that matter.

They are actually pretty good for FCB. Not saying I want anyone sued, but the talk of it sure gets people posting.

Awesome.

After a weekend of spotty service, bring on the fun.

Man, maybe I really am a carnie.

or Jerry Springer?



As a player/team collector I don't really have an issue with the Authenticated auto cards. I don't really like the look of stickers but if it was the only authenticated auto card of a player that I collect I would probably pick one up.

 

[Sean_C]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

To raise a separate question, if according to Brian's original post the stickers were signed by Durant during the period when he was an UD exclusive, then how were the stickers obtained? Wasn't the point of UD signing Durant to an exclusive contract to prevent him from signing autographs for anyone other than Upper Deck? Why would he be signing a sheet of stickers that could be used for exactly what happened here? An in-person hard signed card is a bit more understandable, but a loose sheet of stickers is actually a bit more puzzling, especially in light of Brian's assertion that they were signed while Durant was an UD exclusive. I don't remember seeing any sheets of autographs included in the recent UD "moving" sale.

I am posting a single message on this topic to address posts in another thread on the site.

1> The Kevin Durant card in question is absolutely authentic. I am aware of the source of these signatures (as PSA is).
These were absolutely signed by Kevin Durant during his tenure as an Upper Deck Exclusive. Anyone who states these are not authentic is 100% WRONG. DEAD WRONG.

2> This is intentional and we have full knowledge of what these cards are. These very clearly have a PSA/DNA flip (not PSA grading). These cards are designed to provide collectors with highly collectible signed rookie cards that never were (mainly weak players signed in these sets). We stand by the inclusion of these cards as they are highly collectible in their current state/condition. While every collector may not love these (and everyone is entitled to an opinion), they are absolutely collectible and appear to be $85-125 cards. WE DID NOT LIST THESE ON THE CHECKLIST WITH ROOKIE CARDS, BUT WITH THE SIGNED BUYBACK CARDS.

3> Autographed Rookie Buyback cards are clearly a featured element in this product. The checklist on our website: http://www.leaftradingcards.com/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro_Checklist.pdf clearly shows possible buyback autographed rookie cards and clearly shows the inclusion of these cards.

Finally, I am extremely disappointed with those members who have posted baseless claims denouncing the authenticity with completely no clue on either his signature nor the origin of these autographs. It is not only irresponsible but is frankly complete libel.

I will be the first to correct any errors or quality control issues. In this case, it is neither. These are highly collectible cards listed on our checklist and 100% authentic beyond question.

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.
If you have a legitimate question, I will be happy to answer by PM.
If you wish to voice disappointment and you actually purchased the product, feel free to PM and I will certainly hear your feedbaack.
If you are merely posting in hopes of stirring up controversy, I would suggest finding another topic, as there is no controversy here.
BG

 

[P_Manning 18]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

To raise a separate question, if according to Brian's original post the stickers were signed by Durant during the period when he was an UD exclusive, then how were the stickers obtained? Wasn't the point of UD signing Durant to an exclusive contract to prevent him from signing autographs for anyone other than Upper Deck? Why would he be signing a sheet of stickers that could be used for exactly what happened here? An in-person hard signed card is a bit more understandable, but a loose sheet of stickers is actually a bit more puzzling, especially in light of Brian's assertion that they were signed while Durant was an UD exclusive. I don't remember seeing any sheets of autographs included in the recent UD "moving" sale.

I am posting a single message on this topic to address posts in another thread on the site.

1> The Kevin Durant card in question is absolutely authentic. I am aware of the source of these signatures (as PSA is).
These were absolutely signed by Kevin Durant during his tenure as an Upper Deck Exclusive. Anyone who states these are not authentic is 100% WRONG. DEAD WRONG.

2> This is intentional and we have full knowledge of what these cards are. These very clearly have a PSA/DNA flip (not PSA grading). These cards are designed to provide collectors with highly collectible signed rookie cards that never were (mainly weak players signed in these sets). We stand by the inclusion of these cards as they are highly collectible in their current state/condition. While every collector may not love these (and everyone is entitled to an opinion), they are absolutely collectible and appear to be $85-125 cards. WE DID NOT LIST THESE ON THE CHECKLIST WITH ROOKIE CARDS, BUT WITH THE SIGNED BUYBACK CARDS.

3> Autographed Rookie Buyback cards are clearly a featured element in this product. The checklist on our website: http://www.leaftradingcards.com/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro/2011_Leaf_Rookie_Retro_Checklist.pdf clearly shows possible buyback autographed rookie cards and clearly shows the inclusion of these cards.

Finally, I am extremely disappointed with those members who have posted baseless claims denouncing the authenticity with completely no clue on either his signature nor the origin of these autographs. It is not only irresponsible but is frankly complete libel.

I will be the first to correct any errors or quality control issues. In this case, it is neither. These are highly collectible cards listed on our checklist and 100% authentic beyond question.

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.
If you have a legitimate question, I will be happy to answer by PM.
If you wish to voice disappointment and you actually purchased the product, feel free to PM and I will certainly hear your feedbaack.
If you are merely posting in hopes of stirring up controversy, I would suggest finding another topic, as there is no controversy here.
BG

+1

No way he would sign a sheet of blank stickers so someone could do this. Would he sign a card with the sticker already on?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

To raise a separate question, if according to Brian's original post the stickers were signed by Durant during the period when he was an UD exclusive, then how were the stickers obtained? Wasn't the point of UD signing Durant to an exclusive contract to prevent him from signing autographs for anyone other than Upper Deck? Why would he be signing a sheet of stickers that could be used for exactly what happened here? An in-person hard signed card is a bit more understandable, but a loose sheet of stickers is actually a bit more puzzling, especially in light of Brian's assertion that they were signed while Durant was an UD exclusive. I don't remember seeing any sheets of autographs included in the recent UD "moving" sale.

Is he still a UD exclusive? Maybe they were signed after he was no longer exclusive?

 

[Sean_C]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Read Brian's point 1. He states they were signed while Durant was an UD Exclusive.

To raise a separate question, if according to Brian's original post the stickers were signed by Durant during the period when he was an UD exclusive, then how were the stickers obtained? Wasn't the point of UD signing Durant to an exclusive contract to prevent him from signing autographs for anyone other than Upper Deck? Why would he be signing a sheet of stickers that could be used for exactly what happened here? An in-person hard signed card is a bit more understandable, but a loose sheet of stickers is actually a bit more puzzling, especially in light of Brian's assertion that they were signed while Durant was an UD exclusive. I don't remember seeing any sheets of autographs included in the recent UD "moving" sale.

Is he still a UD exclusive? Maybe they were signed after he was no longer exclusive?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Read Brian's point 1. He states they were signed while Durant was an UD Exclusive.

[quote="Sean_C":wxuknx39]To raise a separate question, if according to Brian's original post the stickers were signed by Durant during the period when he was an UD exclusive, then how were the stickers obtained? Wasn't the point of UD signing Durant to an exclusive contract to prevent him from signing autographs for anyone other than Upper Deck? Why would he be signing a sheet of stickers that could be used for exactly what happened here? An in-person hard signed card is a bit more understandable, but a loose sheet of stickers is actually a bit more puzzling, especially in light of Brian's assertion that they were signed while Durant was an UD exclusive. I don't remember seeing any sheets of autographs included in the recent UD "moving" sale.

Is he still a UD exclusive? Maybe they were signed after he was no longer exclusive?

[/quote:wxuknx39]

Okay then. Still gets a big "whatever" from me. It's on Durant for signing stickers if it's real and on PSA if they're not real. I don't see how Leaf should get any flack for the situation, if there even is a "situation".

 

[Hallsgator]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.

This is new.

 

[WoundedDuck]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

I will not reply to posts in this thread as we are no longer engaging in discussions on the message board.

This is new.

He stated a while ago that he wasn't going to get in it anymore on the forums. I'm sure Brian still reads and will post from time to time, but I wouldn't expect him to respond anymore to those only looking to get under his skin.

 

[csmtampa]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

I'm going to guess what probably happened with the Durant stickers.

He probably signed tons of stickers while he WAS with UD under an exclusive contract, and then when UD lost his exclusive and Panini picked it up, they probably sold it along with the other items they couldn't use during their private auction. I'm talking about the auction where autographs and game used pieces were offered.

That is the only thing I can think of. If it is where the stickers originated from, then it makes sense on how these are found on all kinds of Topps rookies.

 

[Austin]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

To me, adding a sticker by someone other than the company that made the card, ruins it.
I wouldn't want one of those shiny silver Donruss stickers on a 2001 Topps Ichiro rookie.
In fact, I wouldn't want a sticker added to any rookie that originally didn't have one.
It cheapens the product.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

I'm going to guess what probably happened with the Durant stickers.

He probably signed tons of stickers while he WAS with UD under an exclusive contract, and then when UD lost his exclusive and Panini picked it up, they probably sold it along with the other items they couldn't use during their private auction. I'm talking about the auction where autographs and game used pieces were offered.

That is the only thing I can think of. If it is where the stickers originated from, then it makes sense on how these are found on all kinds of Topps rookies.

But from what I can tell none of those stickers seem to have an authentication marking. No Topps Certified Autograph Issue.. or these

They just look clear.... I did a search and found a few sites online selling clear address labels.

I don't see any markings on these.... so I seriously doubt they are from any big company.

 

[hail2thevictors]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Something about this whole thing just doesn't add up IMO. I don't have a dog in this fight either, but after reading through all of these posts, something seems to be missing. Or perhaps I just read over it too fast.

 

[Titans74]

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So many questions raised, so few actual answers. Just the same old BG Razor/Leaf "I'm gone forever!" Soon followed by the "I'm back just this once to warn everyone not to question me or my products" and the all so familiar "Be VERY careful when saying bad things about my products or else. Hint, hint". Immediately followed by the "I never threatened litigation against anyone". It's really old and tired.

On topic, I have looked over the Durant sticker auto and compared it to other samples. Not only is it God awful ugly and something that should have never been created, it's my opinion that the signature is 100% fake. There, I said it. Sue me.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

SUCK FTICKERS!!!

 

[George_Calfas]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Ok, so I have had time to think about this both many different angles and I will convey this to BG when we talk on the phone either today or tomorrow.

First, I like to think I have gained decent repore with BG. I have had my issues with a few products, however, BG has taken some of our input and worked to improve products. He has also fixed issues for many colletors here and elsewhere.

With that said I dont see any ill intent on his part with the inclusion of the Durant sticker auto. As I mentioned in the other thread, I doubt he or anyone else worried too much over cards sealed in authenticated holders; why should they. I also see nothing wrong with PSA/DNA autos in this product. If I had been able to read the checklist before I purchased I would not have been detered since the odds of pulling any one given card are extremely low. Personally I think a sticker auto in this situation sucks but what can I really do, it is what it is.

Again, I have asked PSA/DNA for a "Quick Opinion"; if the Durant is as BG says and it comes back "likely authentic" I will feel better selling it. If the opposite occurs, much like the Oval Office situation from a few years back, and it comes back "questionable" I know that BG will take care of it. Look he is a good guy (whether some wish to believe it or not) and he will stand by this integrity of the hobby and his product.

 

[Austin]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

Again, I have asked PSA/DNA for a "Quick Opinion"; if the Durant is as BG says and it comes back "likely authentic" I will feel better selling it.

Hopefully PSA gives an objective opinion and isn't influenced by someone alerting PSA to let them know they're judging they're own authentication of this card.

 

[Sportsnutcards]

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I think the cards are very ugly and should never have been done the way they were. But, the main problem I have with these cards is that may help to legitimize all of the fake stickers that are being put on cards which were never signed, which has become a very big problem as of late.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: ADDRESSING QUESTIONS ON RRR (please read)

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