Adrian Gonzalez to the Red Sox?

[markakis8]

stop getting your ******* all wet, gonzo is staying in san diego.

I guess I see where you are coming from, but with the payroll, they would be hard pressed to sign Bay, and trade for AGon. I also think that the bridge with Bay has burned, and the debris has floated down the CT river towards Citi Field.

 

[baseballguy350]

stop getting your ******* all wet, gonzo is staying in san diego.

Combine the SeaDogs and PawSox, and they could probably go at least .500 against the Orioles.

Where the hell have you been recently? No more poker?

 

[scotty21690]

This is the way I see it.

Red Sox trade: Ellsbury, Buchholz, Kotchman and Kalish for Gonzalez.

Cameron starts in center in 2010 and 2011, Hermida/Nady split time in left. 2012 Ryan Westmoreland replaces Cameron.

Sorry man, but that is laughable. Buchholz and Ellsbury in the same package?! Yikes...


I don't see this trade happening. Ellsbury is a key piece to our lineup, and Buchholz will stay in our starting rotation because we NEED pitching depth.

 

[baseballguy350]

Sorry man, but that is laughable. Buchholz and Ellsbury in the same package?! Yikes...


I don't see this trade happening. Ellsbury is a key piece to our lineup, and Buchholz will stay in our starting rotation because we NEED pitching depth.

I don't think it's laughable. I think Buchholz, Ellsbury, Ramirez + would get the job done. If Buchholz goes, you can almost be assured that the Sox pick up a Sheets type reclamation project, and hope for a Wakefield/Matsuzaka bounceback.

 

[mredsox89]

Sorry man, but that is laughable. Buchholz and Ellsbury in the same package?! Yikes...


I don't see this trade happening. Ellsbury is a key piece to our lineup, and Buchholz will stay in our starting rotation because we NEED pitching depth.

I don't think it's laughable. I think Buchholz, Ellsbury, Ramirez + would get the job done. If Buchholz goes, you can almost be assured that the Sox pick up a Sheets type reclamation project, and hope for a Wakefield/Matsuzaka bounceback.

But Theo wouldn't do it.

 

[baseballguy350]

Maybe SD wouldn't want Ellsbury and Buchholz....

re: Ellsbury and Buchholz


Jerry Crasnick (4:54 PM)

I'd have to think pretty hard about it. That's a steep price, but can you imagine the damage Gonzalez would do in Fenway? Regardless, I think Jed Hoyer and the Padres would be looking more at high level prospects than established big leaguers in a deal with Boston. Ellsbury and Buchholz will be very expensive relatively soon. Makes no sense for the Padres.

 

[scotty21690]

Maybe SD wouldn't want Ellsbury and Buchholz....

re: Ellsbury and Buchholz


Jerry Crasnick (4:54 PM)

I'd have to think pretty hard about it. That's a steep price, but can you imagine the damage Gonzalez would do in Fenway? Regardless, I think Jed Hoyer and the Padres would be looking more at high level prospects than established big leaguers in a deal with Boston. Ellsbury and Buchholz will be very expensive relatively soon. Makes no sense for the Padres.

Phew....

 

[mredsox89]

Maybe SD wouldn't want Ellsbury and Buchholz....

re: Ellsbury and Buchholz


Jerry Crasnick (4:54 PM)

I'd have to think pretty hard about it. That's a steep price, but can you imagine the damage Gonzalez would do in Fenway? Regardless, I think Jed Hoyer and the Padres would be looking more at high level prospects than established big leaguers in a deal with Boston. Ellsbury and Buchholz will be very expensive relatively soon. Makes no sense for the Padres.

Phew....

They won't take both of them, and imo Buchholz would be a better option. You can make Clay your ace and build your team around him, easier than you can have Ells as ur CF and leadoff guy and build your team around him.

 

[scotty21690]

Maybe SD wouldn't want Ellsbury and Buchholz....

re: Ellsbury and Buchholz


Jerry Crasnick (4:54 PM)

I'd have to think pretty hard about it. That's a steep price, but can you imagine the damage Gonzalez would do in Fenway? Regardless, I think Jed Hoyer and the Padres would be looking more at high level prospects than established big leaguers in a deal with Boston. Ellsbury and Buchholz will be very expensive relatively soon. Makes no sense for the Padres.

Phew....

They won't take both of them, and imo Buchholz would be a better option. You can make Clay your ace and build your team around him, easier than you can have Ells as ur CF and leadoff guy and build your team around him.

Well if we can get Adrian without giving up Ellsbury or Buchholz then I am all for it.

I am a HUGE fan of Clay and would hate to see him go, and I love Ellsbury and our team desprately needs his speed in our lineup and outfield.

 

[thefasterblade]

Buchholz, Reddick, Lars and a throw in makes the most sense to me here.

PS- Bowden is garbage.

 

[bigpops65]

Here is my question:

For what everyone THINKS the Sox need to give up to get Gonzo, do they really NEED him? The reason I say that is it would be addition by subtraction. You gain a power hitting 1B, but you lose a potential #3-4 starter this year, a solid CF/leadoff hitter/lone speed threat and more prospects that could be ready sooner than later.

My thoughts? Stay away for now, try to sign a guy like Nick Johnson, go into the season with Johnson/Kotchman at first, and upgrade midseason if needed.

I just don't want to give up the farm (literally) for Gonzo.

 

[rebelpawn]

Maybe SD wouldn't want Ellsbury and Buchholz....

re: Ellsbury and Buchholz


Jerry Crasnick (4:54 PM)

I'd have to think pretty hard about it. That's a steep price, but can you imagine the damage Gonzalez would do in Fenway? Regardless, I think Jed Hoyer and the Padres would be looking more at high level prospects than established big leaguers in a deal with Boston. Ellsbury and Buchholz will be very expensive relatively soon. Makes no sense for the Padres.[/quote]


Um yeah they'll be expensive, in four years....

 

[scotty21690]

Here is my question:

For what everyone THINKS the Sox need to give up to get Gonzo, do they really NEED him? The reason I say that is it would be addition by subtraction. You gain a power hitting 1B, but you lose a potential #3-4 starter this year, a solid CF/leadoff hitter/lone speed threat and more prospects that could be ready sooner than later.

My thoughts? Stay away for now, try to sign a guy like Nick Johnson, go into the season with Johnson/Kotchman at first, and upgrade midseason if needed.

I just don't want to give up the farm (literally) for Gonzo.

This is my thoughts exactly.

Yes, they would put themselves in contention to winning it all this season with a Gonzalez addition, but what does that put them in the future with the loss of Ellsbury and/or Buchholz and well above average prospects?

 

[mredsox89]

Buchholz, Reddick, Lars and a throw in makes the most sense to me here.

PS- Bowden is garbage.

Based upon? The 16 innings he pitched last year, mostly in mop up duty?

 

[thefasterblade]

Hated his delivery...none of his pitchers were impressive. Looked almost too muscular to be a pitcher...nothing was fluid.

 

[scotty21690]

Hated his delivery...none of his pitchers were impressive. Looked almost too muscular to be a pitcher...nothing was fluid.

He needs to keep the ball down more..

 

[mredsox89]

Hated his delivery...none of his pitchers were impressive. Looked almost too muscular to be a pitcher...nothing was fluid.

He needs to keep the ball down more..

I'll give you that his delivery is bizarre, but the Sox don't seem to have a problem with it. I don't think that he will be a great SP like i think Buchholz could be, and he definitely doesn't have that flashy FB or Lincecum like curve. But he has 3-4 solid pitches, and with tuning, i could definitely see him being an average to slightly above average starter for a long time.

If he is a big league #3 for his career it will be a success.

 

[scotty21690]

Hated his delivery...none of his pitchers were impressive. Looked almost too muscular to be a pitcher...nothing was fluid.

He needs to keep the ball down more..

I'll give you that his delivery is bizarre, but the Sox don't seem to have a problem with it. I don't think that he will be a great SP like i think Buchholz could be, and he definitely doesn't have that flashy FB or Lincecum like curve. But he has 3-4 solid pitches, and with tuning, i could definitely see him being an average to slightly above average starter for a long time.

If he is a big league #3 for his career it will be a success.

He got rocked last season because he left the ball up in the zone wayy too much. I hope he works on that during the offseason and in spring training because I could see him as a decent middle-end of the rotation starter. Although this season I hope he can fill the role as our much needed long reliever. (Masterson )

 

[mredsox89]

Hated his delivery...none of his pitchers were impressive. Looked almost too muscular to be a pitcher...nothing was fluid.

He needs to keep the ball down more..

I'll give you that his delivery is bizarre, but the Sox don't seem to have a problem with it. I don't think that he will be a great SP like i think Buchholz could be, and he definitely doesn't have that flashy FB or Lincecum like curve. But he has 3-4 solid pitches, and with tuning, i could definitely see him being an average to slightly above average starter for a long time.

If he is a big league #3 for his career it will be a success.

He got rocked last season because he left the ball up in the zone wayy too much. I hope he works on that during the offseason and in spring training because I could see him as a decent middle-end of the rotation starter. Although this season I hope he can fill the role as our much needed long reliever. (Masterson )

That is very true. I just don't put that much emphasis on it. He was last in line in the pen and basically just pitched when the game was out of hand, aside for one outing. He was overthrowing, trying to impress rather than pitch. I think starting the year in AAA will help him get back on track, and be ready for the call up to either the pen or to start when someone goes down.