AIC Team Collectors Group Breaks - questions/answers

[All In Cards]

the thing is, not everything is ever equal. Take '10 or '11 bowman draft, I cant remember which one. The yankees dont have any hits so they were always removed from breaks.


This is suppose to be fun and for "TEAM" Collectors. Its not always about value. If it was, would prospectorgems have grabbed the Brewers so fast.

 

[ljw29]

I'm not acting like they're every other hit but you can't tell me every team is equal when busting baseball packs/boxes/cases LOL... I mean come on... Let's bust some product together, split the cost 50/50 but I'll pick the 15 teams I want first and you can have the 15 left over and this should be OK with you since all teams are equal when busting open product ::facepalm::

Lets do it then put your money where your mouth is. Ive got $1000 ready for a product of Andrew's choice in the last two years, lets go.

 

[deujr61]

St. Louis Cardinals for me Please!

Andrew, I made a pick at post #29.

 

[All In Cards]

I completely agree with this. My idea of a team break is to get in with a team or players you collect from that team. I would be more than thrilled to pull a crappy Brewers 1/1 no matter the product or year. I wouldn't just pick the Nationals or Angels because of a certain year that has Harper or Trout and would initially offer more value.

Yes, this is what the group is suppose to be about!!

There will be founding members of the group and a board of electors. If the board of electors feels you are not a "Team Collector" you might get the boot.

 

[MisterT]

To those arguing about the Yankees...unless I missed it, no one has claimed them yet. Would think they would have gone before now.

Especially since they are such a good value

 

[ljw29]

To those arguing about the Yankees...unless I missed it, no one has claimed them yet. Would think they would have gone before now.

Especially since they are such a good value

Ill probably be claiming them and the Indians

 

[MansGame]

I apologize for hijacking your thread Andrew... I'll go back to being a player collector with the new understanding all teams are equal value in a team break and you're an idiot for thinking otherwise

 

[All In Cards]

I apologize for hijacking your thread Andrew... I'll go back to being a player collector with the new understanding all teams are equal value in a team break and you're an idiot for thinking otherwise

1st , thanks for calling me an idiot.

This type of group has nothing to do with "VALUE", it has to do with people collecting a certain team. Like others have said they would much rather pull a NO Name 1/1 from their team then a Yankee or Stras or the next Pujols.

 

[ljw29]

1st , thanks for calling me an idiot.

This type of group has nothing to do with "VALUE", it has to do with people collecting a certain team. Like others have said they would much rather pull a NO Name 1/1 from their team then a Yankee or Stras or the next Pujols.

And even then as someone who has been in a lot of Andrew's Group Breaks the "it" teams you think dont always come home to hit

 

[Casebusters]

I apologize for hijacking your thread Andrew... I'll go back to being a player collector with the new understanding all teams are equal value in a team break and you're an idiot for thinking otherwise

1st , thanks for calling me an idiot.

This type of group has nothing to do with "VALUE", it has to do with people collecting a certain team. Like others have said they would much rather pull a NO Name 1/1 from their team then a Yankee or Stras or the next Pujols.

Andrew,
I don't think he's calling you an idiot

I thinks he's saying "The team collector is an idiot for thinking otherwise"

 

[ljw29]

Andrew,
I don't think he's calling you an idiot

I thinks he's saying "The team collector is an idiot for thinking otherwise"

Either way these have been run numerous places, no issue, same pricing and guess what happens, the hits usually arent that heavy towards any team, due to a changing product list.

 

[MansGame]

Andrew,
I don't think he's calling you an idiot

I thinks he's saying "The team collector is an idiot for thinking otherwise"

THIS! In no way calling you an idiot Andrew lol

 

[prospectorgems]

All I know is that as a team collector I would be thrilled if this is started. I get more excited pulling a player of my team opposed to the "big dollar" hit. I have no intentions whatsoever of keeping anything besides my favorite team. Sure, it is fun to get a card that sells for big bucks, but ultimately that money will be funded towards buying something for my PC.

 

[andrewnmisty]

Depending on what the limits on price per month would be, I would be interested in trying to add some stuff to my Braves collection.

 

[pikeman80]

I have been wanting to join a group such as this for a long time and would be very happy if it is successful. After reading the posts, here are some of the things I would like to see.

1. I would like to see the number of teams claimed to be around 15 and am fine with the price being the same for all the teams.

2. However, as a balancing factor, maybe Andrew could divide the 15 teams into 3 pods (decided by general desirability of the team) with the top pod receiving no extra teams, the middle pod getting one extra team each and the third pod getting two extra teams each for each break. Thus the Yankees for example might be in the top pod and that owner would not receive cards from any other teams. The Royals might be in the third pod and that owner would get all the cards (or maybe just the significant hits to make less sorting for andrew) from two random teams

3. I would be in favor of seeing the monthly pricing be in the $50-$100 range with an emphasis on low to mid level cases ( finest/chrome being the top end) with most of the breaks being the new releases (maybe a 3 to 1 ratio)

4. I think that is important that participants commit financially to being in the group for every break. As someone who doesn't attend more than 50% of the breaks, I dont think it is a big deal to miss the break. Also if $50-$100 per month might potentially be a financial hardship, then this type of break may not be for you. Its not fair if someone doesn't participate and then either Andrew or the other participants have to find a replacement or pay a higher fee. If you pass, you should risk losing your spot.

5. As an alternative, I could see creating two groups, one to do new releases and one to do older releases.

In any case, I trust Andrew will create a fair and equitable system. I agree the goal is so that we have an opportunity to get some nice cards for our personal collection and not something to rip and flip.

 

[Ct Sox Fan]

Andrew,
As you know, I have been a member of a certain Team Collectors group for over ten years now that started back on the old BMB. And we have bought many cases from you to be broke on our own message board over the years. I have been hoping for you to do this and unfortunately I am late to the party and my team was claimed. I would certainly like to be on call for the back up role if you go that route. I never participate in your group breaks because I am a true team collector and don't like the 1:30 odds I face to get my team!

Couple of thoughts based on my experience. Yes, more often than not, the big teams are going to come out ahead depending on the product you break. Something like Finest, the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves and some of the other big teams tend to have 9-12 guys and teams like the Indians, Royals, Astros, etc.. tend to have 2-3. The really big hits, which it seems most of FCB breakers are after, do tend to get spread out. But for your $, it is better to have the big team. For breaks like Finest, we do cost share based on the chances each team has. It is difficult to do. But for products like base Topps or Topps Update, most teams have equal value in the product and you could successfully run a group like this and charge equal costs for those cases. In Topps Chrome this year, the A's were the big team, so you never know.

One thing we have done to allow more to participate ( we have some teams doubled up), is if you are doing it by a case, you can split the more popular teams. One person gets even boxes, one gets odds. Yes, you get half the cards, but you pay half the price. That way does not work as well if you are doing a mix of boxes.

The other problem you might run into with true team collectors is for certain products, a team collector most likely will have all of the base and lower end inserts already. So really, the only thing they could hope for would be a few nice hits. So if you are going older product, say 2005 Donruss Champions, some one like me already has all the base, tons of the GU and parallels. It would not be that appealing for me to participate @ $50 or so to get a few inserts I could pick up from eBay or another site for far less. You might be best sticking with the new releases, which most team collectors would be interested in

If this does get off the ground, you should post on our message board the open teams for each break. My guess is a few of the guys would buy in from time to time, especially if it is a case of a product we don't have many cards from.

Any how, those are my rambling thoughts! Good luck with this and I will be following this thread to see if you can get this rolling!

Wayne

 

[promodeltodd]

I would be interested in taking the Yankees. Difficult to tell if they were taken.

Todd

 

[MisterT]

Here is an open question about the rules as they are forming...I know that I could keep my mouth shut and do this in a backdoor kind of way, but I really have no intention of acting that way.

I saw this thread early and requested the Red Sox, good for me. I read CT Sox Fan's post above and appreciate his points. Can I "resell" my slot to someone like him if the break does not appeal to me? You will still get the paypal payment from me and probably even ship to me, but he will pay me and I will sent the package on to him.

Like I said, I know I could do that anyway with private messages and emails...but this is a small community and if people are shopping their slots around, word will get out. I would be living up to the letter of my agreement in that I would pay for the slot and receive the cards.

Just curious as this is all preliminary...thoughts?

 

[All In Cards]

Lots of great stuff is being said. Once we figure it all out I think this will be a wonderful group and good for the board.

I just got home from services. This time of year is crazy with all the jewish holiday. I will do some more reading and try to get some rules in place.

We are at 9 teams right now. 15 would be a good number, and everyone would get a 2nd team. I think if we hit 20 it would make slots less and the 10 remaining teams would be randomly sorted. Just something to think about.

 

[CatdaddysCards]

I would like to see the price stay in the $50 range. I think that would be best, for gathering interest, and should be feasible. I understand that not every product can be in that range, but for the most part It's doable.

I only say that, because price is what holds a lot of people back. Personally, I can do $50-$75/month out of pocket. Anything higher and I'll be selling cards to pay, which isn't a big deal. I sell all the time.

Just a thought. Like the idea and ready for something like this. We should start with 2005 and 2006 Chrome, I need Butler and Gordon autos