All in cards Absolute break..question

[moxacaine]

What were the pulls in this break?

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[rainmanesq]

05 absolute is an extremely tough product to make your $ back on (esp. @ current prices- even though quite a large # of ruths/top cards have already been pulled), even if you bust a whole case yourself. while I like the idea of group breaks, I've found I do better breaking cases on my own. if I want to gamble, I go to vegas or I bust a high end product which, as someone else said, the ultimate feast or famine. however, if there's a feast, I'll reap all benefits whereas w/randomly assigned slots, I could just end up w/the famine.

 

[bballcardkid]

It scares me to think about it :shock:

 

[Billy Packer]

I know I've said it before, but I still think the way to make a break like this a little more equitable to all the participants would be to take all 30 members or how many ever there are and give them each a random number between 1 and 30. Then as the hits come out, simply assign them through the list.

That way everyone involved gets a fairer shot at coming away with something vs. getting stuck with a team that's not represented at all. You could still do the team assignment thing to divvy up the base, #'d parallels, etc. There is still bound to be some disproportionate return across the break but doing it this way at least everybody would have something to show for it.

Nothing against Andrew but this is how I'd do it if I were running a high $$ break like this.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

05 absolute is an extremely tough product to make your $ back on (esp. @ current prices- even though quite a large # of ruths/top cards have already been pulled), even if you bust a whole case yourself. while I like the idea of group breaks, I've found I do better breaking cases on my own. if I want to gamble, I go to vegas or I bust a high end product which, as someone else said, the ultimate feast or famine. however, if there's a feast, I'll reap all benefits whereas w/randomly assigned slots, I could just end up w/the famine.

+1--Group breaks might be fun, but I am 100% in agreement with above....and think of it this way, at $3100 for the case, why not just buy the Ruth?????

TK

 

[JEA2880]

I know I've said it before, but I still think the way to make a break like this a little more equitable to all the participants would be to take all 30 members or how many ever there are and give them each a random number between 1 and 30. Then as the hits come out, simply assign them through the list.

That way everyone involved gets a fairer shot at coming away with something vs. getting stuck with a team that's not represented at all. You could still do the team assignment thing to divvy up the base, #'d parallels, etc. There is still bound to be some disproportionate return across the break but doing it this way at least everybody would have something to show for it.

Nothing against Andrew but this is how I'd do it if I were running a high $$ break like this.

Obviously enough people think the team thing works as evidenced by the high participation so why would he change the process?

 

[A_Pharis]

Exactly.. don't change the process. It's a gamble, and people should join knowing what to expect. If you don't think it's fair then you shouldn't join... not wai tuntil the break is done then complain.

I don't think anyone really complained about the last break.

I also think the decades thing is a pretty poor idea, because a lot of the high dollar hits are all fall in the older eras. It'd be taking a few people possibly getting their money back to maybe 1 or 2 getting their money back.

 

[IndyManning18]

I know I've said it before, but I still think the way to make a break like this a little more equitable to all the participants would be to take all 30 members or how many ever there are and give them each a random number between 1 and 30. Then as the hits come out, simply assign them through the list.

That way everyone involved gets a fairer shot at coming away with something vs. getting stuck with a team that's not represented at all. You could still do the team assignment thing to divvy up the base, #'d parallels, etc. There is still bound to be some disproportionate return across the break but doing it this way at least everybody would have something to show for it.

Nothing against Andrew but this is how I'd do it if I were running a high $$ break like this.

I like this idea. With this break, he could have opened up 24 or 36 slots. That's 3 or 2 hits per person, respectively.
First hit to slot 1, Second to slot 2 and so on. Before or after the break, could assign slots. If the box was $3150 shipped, that would be $131.25 for 3 hits or $87.50 for 2 hits.

 

[masonphillip]

Wax is wax, it is a big gamble, especially in the case of 2005 Absolute, but, that is also why people like it, where else can you get a shot at a Ruth jersey for that kind of price??

 

[brokenliz1]

If you are getting in cases breaks just to try to make money you should probably not.It more about the fun of the break.I had a rough past few weeks and the break last night was a good unwind.I have done many box/case breaks with a bunch of different people and have never gotten my money back but I have sure had a lot of fun.I have never done one like Andrew's though with it being broadcast live.It is a fantastic way to do breaks!Just my opinion.

 

[Billy Packer]

I know I've said it before, but I still think the way to make a break like this a little more equitable to all the participants would be to take all 30 members or how many ever there are and give them each a random number between 1 and 30. Then as the hits come out, simply assign them through the list.

That way everyone involved gets a fairer shot at coming away with something vs. getting stuck with a team that's not represented at all. You could still do the team assignment thing to divvy up the base, #'d parallels, etc. There is still bound to be some disproportionate return across the break but doing it this way at least everybody would have something to show for it.

Nothing against Andrew but this is how I'd do it if I were running a high $$ break like this.

Obviously enough people think the team thing works as evidenced by the high participation so why would he change the process?

Maybe even more people would participate?? I know I stayed away for the very feast-or-famine reason being talked about herethe morning after. I'm sure others did as well. And I'd imagine there are a few participants from last night's break with a little bit of gambler's remorse that are going think twice about doing it again.

Once again, I'm not saying Andrew did anything wrong here. I did his DLP break a couple of weeks ago and had a blast with it even though I didn't get much out of it. Everybody that did sign up for the Absolute break knew what they were getting into. I just think at the price point of a break like the Absolute case you could level the curve a bit by taking the team assignment element out of it.

 

[Bill Menard]

I participated for 2 reasons:

1) A shot at getting some super high end card for a little bit of my money compared to a lot of my money with the possibly of getting absolute junk.

2) Entertainment value of seeing a case of this stuff broken down, rather than a pack or a single box, which you never see anymore anyway.

Because #2 is such a big reason why I did participate, I actually believe the breaks should be handled as follows:
Everyone puts in the $125 with the understanding being that whatever is pulled from the case will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed back to the participants. All the hits go on ebay, where a fair market price can be determined. If you wanted a card from the break, you can buy it on ebay, but the money you spend ultimately goes back into the pool of money that you are collecting proceeds from anyway, so it's fair for all.

I don't really need the cards for myself and if you don't get a team/player you collect, what are you going to do with the cards you get... put them on ebay or trade them away. So why not just split the success or fail of the case evenly?

If Andrew charges $3750 for the case and gets it for $3200, that's $550 in his pocket for the troubles of breaking, listing on the bay and shipping - he's already putting in substantial time to sort and scan anyway, so this is just one more step of listing them on ebay. Probably assembles a base set or two in the process as well and can list to add a little more to the overall sales too instead of sending all the useless base cards out to the teams that won them.

Seriously, I'd have NO problem with this and am even contemplating doing one myself if anyone is interested.

I did it with just one other collector on 2006 Bowman Sterling and we had a lot of fun with it and each ended up with about an extra $200 in our pockets in the end. Sure, it could have been $400 if I did the break on my own, but it could have been -$800 too if we didn't get a couple key hits.

Bill

 

[Topnotchsy]

There's little to add to what has been said (the risk factors etc.) but I do want to point out that one case is not indicative of what will be in a future case. Some of the nicer patches are massive hits and really sweet.

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

First off, Andrew does a great job on his breaks. By no means am I questioning him. I am just wondering how many people in the 1st break actually made there money back? I am in the 2nd break and am worried that if I don't get the Yankees or another top team I will just get a $2 card.

would you say that 10 teams made there money back?

If your in it to make your money back your in the wrong hobby. Not too many boxes or cases make money or EVERYONE on here would be doing it. You break in hopes of the "big pull".

When you buy a $5 scratchoff lottery ticket do you hope to win $5 to make your money back? Or do you dream of the millions???

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I guess the better question to ask would be. For the people who didn't even come close to making their money back, or no hits at all. Do they regret doing it, or would they do it again?

I had the Pirates and got 1 card. (Pirates I thought were a decent team w/ 3 HOF's on the checklist including Clemente). I knew the risk going in. I dreamed of pulling a decent card, if not 2-3 semi-star relics. Didn't work out that way. It's a gamble. Would I do it again? Absolutely! I love the gamble.

 

[Erich]

I participated for 2 reasons:

1) A shot at getting some super high end card for a little bit of my money compared to a lot of my money with the possibly of getting absolute junk.

2) Entertainment value of seeing a case of this stuff broken down, rather than a pack or a single box, which you never see anymore anyway.

Because #2 is such a big reason why I did participate, I actually believe the breaks should be handled as follows:
Everyone puts in the $125 with the understanding being that whatever is pulled from the case will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed back to the participants. All the hits go on ebay, where a fair market price can be determined. If you wanted a card from the break, you can buy it on ebay, but the money you spend ultimately goes back into the pool of money that you are collecting proceeds from anyway, so it's fair for all.

I don't really need the cards for myself and if you don't get a team/player you collect, what are you going to do with the cards you get... put them on ebay or trade them away. So why not just split the success or fail of the case evenly?

If Andrew charges $3750 for the case and gets it for $3200, that's $550 in his pocket for the troubles of breaking, listing on the bay and shipping - he's already putting in substantial time to sort and scan anyway, so this is just one more step of listing them on ebay. Probably assembles a base set or two in the process as well and can list to add a little more to the overall sales too instead of sending all the useless base cards out to the teams that won them.

Seriously, I'd have NO problem with this and am even contemplating doing one myself if anyone is interested.

I did it with just one other collector on 2006 Bowman Sterling and we had a lot of fun with it and each ended up with about an extra $200 in our pockets in the end. Sure, it could have been $400 if I did the break on my own, but it could have been -$800 too if we didn't get a couple key hits.

Bill

I think you should do it with Razor Presidential Cuts. $2200 div 22 = 100 bones a shot. You ebay the card. If it is a Ford everybody loses. If it is a Washington, Lincoln or a high $ dual everybody win$$$$

 

[Bill Menard]

Hey Eric -

I'd rather do it with a product like Absolute b/c you get some entertainment value out of it, there aren't 3,000 cards to sort/sell and you have several chances to reduce the damage of one crap card, rather than one and out with the presidential cut. Though, I suppose both could be done

I participated for 2 reasons:

1) A shot at getting some super high end card for a little bit of my money compared to a lot of my money with the possibly of getting absolute junk.

2) Entertainment value of seeing a case of this stuff broken down, rather than a pack or a single box, which you never see anymore anyway.

Because #2 is such a big reason why I did participate, I actually believe the breaks should be handled as follows:
Everyone puts in the $125 with the understanding being that whatever is pulled from the case will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed back to the participants. All the hits go on ebay, where a fair market price can be determined. If you wanted a card from the break, you can buy it on ebay, but the money you spend ultimately goes back into the pool of money that you are collecting proceeds from anyway, so it's fair for all.

I don't really need the cards for myself and if you don't get a team/player you collect, what are you going to do with the cards you get... put them on ebay or trade them away. So why not just split the success or fail of the case evenly?

If Andrew charges $3750 for the case and gets it for $3200, that's $550 in his pocket for the troubles of breaking, listing on the bay and shipping - he's already putting in substantial time to sort and scan anyway, so this is just one more step of listing them on ebay. Probably assembles a base set or two in the process as well and can list to add a little more to the overall sales too instead of sending all the useless base cards out to the teams that won them.

Seriously, I'd have NO problem with this and am even contemplating doing one myself if anyone is interested.

I did it with just one other collector on 2006 Bowman Sterling and we had a lot of fun with it and each ended up with about an extra $200 in our pockets in the end. Sure, it could have been $400 if I did the break on my own, but it could have been -$800 too if we didn't get a couple key hits.

Bill

I think you should do it with Razor Presidential Cuts. $2200 div 22 = 100 bones a shot. You ebay the card. If it is a Ford everybody loses. If it is a Washington, Lincoln or a high $ dual everybody win$$$$

 

[steve-a-reno]

I find it funny that this question created so much stir. Iif it were a bdp case it would have been no big deal.

 

[MacK]

I find it funny that this question created so much stir. Iif it were a bdp case it would have been no big deal.

Well, I'm not complaining, but in my spot in the group break ($30), my best hit was about 10 Robbie Grossman FY Chromes. Not complaining though, because Andrew has sent me stuff in the past that more than made up for it.

 

[mburgin]

[quote="Billy Packer":21l7dopd]I know I've said it before, but I still think the way to make a break like this a little more equitable to all the participants would be to take all 30 members or how many ever there are and give them each a random number between 1 and 30. Then as the hits come out, simply assign them through the list.

That way everyone involved gets a fairer shot at coming away with something vs. getting stuck with a team that's not represented at all. You could still do the team assignment thing to divvy up the base, #'d parallels, etc. There is still bound to be some disproportionate return across the break but doing it this way at least everybody would have something to show for it.

Nothing against Andrew but this is how I'd do it if I were running a high $$ break like this.

Obviously enough people think the team thing works as evidenced by the high participation so why would he change the process?

Maybe even more people would participate?? I know I stayed away for the very feast-or-famine reason being talked about herethe morning after. I'm sure others did as well. And I'd imagine there are a few participants from last night's break with a little bit of gambler's remorse that are going think twice about doing it again.

Once again, I'm not saying Andrew did anything wrong here. I did his DLP break a couple of weeks ago and had a blast with it even though I didn't get much out of it. Everybody that did sign up for the Absolute break knew what they were getting into. I just think at the price point of a break like the Absolute case you could level the curve a bit by taking the team assignment element out of it.[/quote:21l7dopd]

i had to stop reading here and respond so if this was said or covered later i'm sorry for mentioning it again. but with that said this idea seems a little for feasible but if it was like this, why not just sell the packs and let the persons who bought just open the pack themselves. if i was going to do it this way, i would think it would just be easier to let the people arrange to just buy however many packs they want and have them shipped. just a thought.