ANDREW LUCK'S FIRST FULLY LICENSED CARDS ---- TONIGHT!

[Shi Guy]

While the typos are pretty obvious, I don't think it's nearly as bad as some are making it out to be. The front looks fine, and its not like the big 3 companies haven't had similar errors. Honestly, it looks like some people unfairly hold Leaf too a different standard than the other companies.

 

[Brad]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

Why? I know they are errors, but people have already seen them. The buyers on ebay want their card now and not in a couple weeks. Leaf has already spent the money on printing so why cut into profits?

 

[mwheeler27]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

Why? I know they are errors, but people have already seen them. The buyers on ebay want their card now and not in a couple weeks. Leaf has already spent the money on printing so why cut into profits?

Must I state the obvious?

Because these are careless spelling errors. It shows lack of quality control. It's most definitely a negative towards Leaf. It wreaks of carelessness. Just because other companies do it, does that mean it's okay? Would Andrew Luck be offended, even in the slightest way? Is he not important enough to make sure you spell his name right, especially since you are trying to make money off of him?

I'll say it again, if it was my company, I would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error. But I know, it's not my company.

I am a serious collector, and I would not want to collect products from a company that cares not if they make mistakes. If a company cares, they do what they can to right a wrong if they catch the error in time.

 

[Weimer]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

Why? I know they are errors, but people have already seen them. The buyers on ebay want their card now and not in a couple weeks. Leaf has already spent the money on printing so why cut into profits?

Must I state the obvious?

Because these are careless spelling errors. It shows lack of quality control. It's most definitely a negative towards Leaf. It wreaks of carelessness. Just because other companies do it, does that mean it's okay? Would Andrew Luck be offended, even in the slightest way? Is he not important enough to make sure you spell his name right, especially since you are trying to make money off of him?

I'll say it again, if it was my company, I would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error. But I know, it's not my company.

I am a serious collector, and I would not want to collect products from a company that cares not if they make mistakes. If a company cares, they do what they can to right a wrong if they catch the error in time.

So you don't collect anything in the sports card industry then, right? Because all of the companies make mistakes and have numerous times over the years. And saying you would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error is laughable, because it's easy to make promises when they're hypothetical and aren't based in reality. You have no way of knowing what you'd do in this situation if you were in Brian's shoes unless you were actually in Brian's shoes.

 

[hockeyfights]

I'm guessing since you're a serious collector, you stopped collecting in the late 80s or early 90s after the major errors made in Donruss, Fleer, and Topps baseball cards (wrong player's picture, reverse photograph, wrong names, etc).

 

[DRav87]

I always wonder how spelling errors happen. Do companies not have proof readers?

 

[mwheeler27]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

Why? I know they are errors, but people have already seen them. The buyers on ebay want their card now and not in a couple weeks. Leaf has already spent the money on printing so why cut into profits?

Must I state the obvious?

Because these are careless spelling errors. It shows lack of quality control. It's most definitely a negative towards Leaf. It wreaks of carelessness. Just because other companies do it, does that mean it's okay? Would Andrew Luck be offended, even in the slightest way? Is he not important enough to make sure you spell his name right, especially since you are trying to make money off of him?

I'll say it again, if it was my company, I would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error. But I know, it's not my company.

I am a serious collector, and I would not want to collect products from a company that cares not if they make mistakes. If a company cares, they do what they can to right a wrong if they catch the error in time.

So you don't collect anything in the sports card industry then, right? Because all of the companies make mistakes and have numerous times over the years. And saying you would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error is laughable, because it's easy to make promises when they're hypothetical and aren't based in reality. You have no way of knowing what you'd do in this situation if you were in Brian's shoes unless you were actually in Brian's shoes.

Well aren't you being quite presumptuous.

Let's get the facts straight, shall we.

Has any of the other "big companies" EVER produced a 1-card product with an error on it like this? I can understand an error here and there in a product with many cards. But come one, this is a 1-card print run with parallels. Honestly, how hard can it be to make sure you spell THE ONE GUY'S NAME RIGHT? I don't want to hear how any other company has done this before until you or anyone else can give me one example of such. Quite frankly, I don't think it exists.

You say that I can't possibly know what I'd do if it were me, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would be absolutely embarrassed if I allowed this to happen. AND if I did in fact allow this embarrassing act to happen, AND I still had the chance to correct it, I MOST DEFINITELY WOULD.

Look...do you like this hobby? Do you and others LOVE this hobby? I know I do. When bad mistakes like this are made, instead of making excuses for those hoping to make money off of me, I take a stand. Instead of feeling sorry for them for not caring enough to simply proofread ONE CARD, I voice my opinion to the contrary. If you guys would wake up and stop thinking and saying stuff like this is okay, maybe, just maybe, this hobby would be a little bit better.

Brian knows he should not have made this mistake. EVERYBODY ELSE ALSO KNOWS he should not have made this mistake. So I'm going to challenge him to do the right thing and correct this mistake, because I believe he has the power to do so. I demand better of this hobby that I enjoy and love. I don't like to settle for second rate, nor do I like to buy from companies that think this kind of stuff is okay.

I think Brian knows where I'm coming from. I hope he does the right thing. If that means customers have to wait an extra week or two before they get their cards, what does that hurt? It's not like someone else will be giving them an Andrew Luck card before then.

Common sense people...common sense.

 

[mwheeler27]

I'm guessing since you're a serious collector, you stopped collecting in the late 80s or early 90s after the major errors made in Donruss, Fleer, and Topps baseball cards (wrong player's picture, reverse photograph, wrong names, etc).

How many of those were 1-card print runs of possible 1st-round draft picks?

Let's try hard to compare apples to apples, shall we. ::facepalm::

 

[Shi Guy]

I see and understand the valid points in your argument, but let's try and retain some semblance of perspective here. To claim that there is some sort of disrespect inherent in such an error, or that the company is irresponsible as a result, is hyperbole. The error is on the back, and has little effect on the most important aspect of the card.

While it's difficult to tell from the picture of the card, the more important potential problem here is the cut, as the top looks uneven. This is an issue we have all seen any number of times with some of the other companies, and it has a far greater effect on the value of the card, as it effects any potential grade the card could achieve.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Speaking of Andrew Luck.... I did a search for his Autograph.... figured since he likely will be the Colts next QB I might pick up an auto or 2.......

What the &*^$ is this? ::facepalm:: You know if this is a "good" signature.... I hate to see a rushed autograph for any Card Company.

 

[Weimer]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

Why? I know they are errors, but people have already seen them. The buyers on ebay want their card now and not in a couple weeks. Leaf has already spent the money on printing so why cut into profits?

Must I state the obvious?

Because these are careless spelling errors. It shows lack of quality control. It's most definitely a negative towards Leaf. It wreaks of carelessness. Just because other companies do it, does that mean it's okay? Would Andrew Luck be offended, even in the slightest way? Is he not important enough to make sure you spell his name right, especially since you are trying to make money off of him?

I'll say it again, if it was my company, I would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error. But I know, it's not my company.

I am a serious collector, and I would not want to collect products from a company that cares not if they make mistakes. If a company cares, they do what they can to right a wrong if they catch the error in time.

So you don't collect anything in the sports card industry then, right? Because all of the companies make mistakes and have numerous times over the years. And saying you would do whatever it took to correct this reckless spelling error is laughable, because it's easy to make promises when they're hypothetical and aren't based in reality. You have no way of knowing what you'd do in this situation if you were in Brian's shoes unless you were actually in Brian's shoes.

Well aren't you being quite presumptuous.

Let's get the facts straight, shall we.

Has any of the other "big companies" EVER produced a 1-card product with an error on it like this? I can understand an error here and there in a product with many cards. But come one, this is a 1-card print run with parallels. Honestly, how hard can it be to make sure you spell THE ONE GUY'S NAME RIGHT? I don't want to hear how any other company has done this before until you or anyone else can give me one example of such. Quite frankly, I don't think it exists.

You say that I can't possibly know what I'd do if it were me, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that I would be absolutely embarrassed if I allowed this to happen. AND if I did in fact allow this embarrassing act to happen, AND I still had the chance to correct it, I MOST DEFINITELY WOULD.

Look...do you like this hobby? Do you and others LOVE this hobby? I know I do. When bad mistakes like this are made, instead of making excuses for those hoping to make money off of me, I take a stand. Instead of feeling sorry for them for not caring enough to simply proofread ONE CARD, I voice my opinion to the contrary. If you guys would wake up and stop thinking and saying stuff like this is okay, maybe, just maybe, this hobby would be a little bit better.

Brian knows he should not have made this mistake. EVERYBODY ELSE ALSO KNOWS he should not have made this mistake. So I'm going to challenge him to do the right thing and correct this mistake, because I believe he has the power to do so. I demand better of this hobby that I enjoy and love. I don't like to settle for second rate, nor do I like to buy from companies that think this kind of stuff is okay.

I think Brian knows where I'm coming from. I hope he does the right thing. If that means customers have to wait an extra week or two before they get their cards, what does that hurt? It's not like someone else will be giving them an Andrew Luck card before then.

Common sense people...common sense.

I may be presumptuous, but I'm also pointing out the truth. Which you're apparently not interested in discussing. You made a statement where you said you wouldn't collect products from companies that make mistakes. Yet, when I ask you if you don't collect anything anymore then because all companies make mistakes you start twisting facts and claim we're only talking about certain companies one card print runs and not all companies having errors in numerous products. So you really should make up your mind as to what you actually mean instead of changing your story.

And again, you're speaking in hypothetical about what you would do. Have you ever ran a large operation like a card company? Have you ever been in a situation like that while running a card company where you would face eating a lot of money by re-producing cards that are already printed? Because if you haven't, which I'm sure you haven't, then you really truly have no idea what you would do. You can swear up and down all day what you'd do and how you'd be embarrassed and that's all fine and dandy. But my point still stands. You don't know what you'd really do until you're in the situation. It's easy to say what you'd do now, because you're a consumer sitting on the outside looking in with nothing to lose and nothing at risk.

We get it, you think it's deplorable that Leaf and Brian would make a typo or two and not correct it. And kudos to you for being bothered so much by it, but like others have said in this thread it's not the end of the world. You're blowing things way out of proportion with your talk about how it's embarrassing and they need to fix the mistake. And yet, Topps, Upper Deck, Panini, and numerous other companies past and present make mistakes in their products and you continue to buy them without making a fuss about it.

 

[goldenegg1]

I searched his autos as well since I will more than likely be collecting him also, and I was extremely disappointed in his auto.
Back to the spelling errors though, it does look pretty bush-league you have to admit. I understand spelling errors here and there, but not on someone's first name for crying out loud. It looks like someone did this in their basement. I bought both a regular and a prismatic and
I have mixed emotions now. I would love to have a corrected version, but I also would like them I hand as well, so I'm torn.

 

[Weimer]

And before I'm accused of being a Leaf apologist or fanboy or anything else someone feels like labeling me you should know I don't buy Leaf products, own one Leaf card of the player I collect, and have never interacted with Brian Gray. And furthermore, I think the error shouldn't have happened but also acknowledge that errors do happen, especially in card production. And some of the reactions in this thread about it being unbelievable, embarrassing, etc are over the top.

 

[Leaf]

Brian,

In all honesty, since these cards are obviously not in packs, if they have already been printed, don't you think it would be wise to re-print them with corrected spelling? I think the downside of leaving them as is would be bad for the new Leaf.

Since correcting 100% of them at this time is possible, in my opinion, I think you should do it.

Just a thought.

These paricular cards cannot be reprinted, however I can tell you we expect to have Luck autographs in the 2012 Army product and these sorts of errors suck...

We had very tight timelines and obviously our 3 guys PLUS the US ARMY (who proofed and approved these) missed them...
ARGGHH!!!!
I dont think its a hobby first, but I pray it will be Leaf's last... BG

 

[Leaf]

Error and corrected copies in the future?

Not if Leaf has integrity.

The error has been made, and it has been brought to the attention of the company while there is still time to correct it. If the cards have not been made, it's a simple fix. If they have been made, 100% of them should be destroyed, and corrected ones should be made without even the slightest chance of corrected and error cards BOTH hitting the market at any point in time.

What will Leaf be built on? Honor and integrity, or...reckless and careless, fly-by-the-seat-of-our-pants, make as much money as quickly as we can principles.

The base (not metal) card does NOT have this issue... BG

 

[Leaf]

I see and understand the valid points in your argument, but let's try and retain some semblance of perspective here. To claim that there is some sort of disrespect inherent in such an error, or that the company is irresponsible as a result, is hyperbole. The error is on the back, and has little effect on the most important aspect of the card.

While it's difficult to tell from the picture of the card, the more important potential problem here is the cut, as the top looks uneven. This is an issue we have all seen any number of times with some of the other companies, and it has a far greater effect on the value of the card, as it effects any potential grade the card could achieve.

Cards are cut just fine. I thinks these will grade well as all Leaf Metal seems to... BG

 

[Shi Guy]

Cards are cut just fine. I thinks these will grade well as all Leaf Metal seems to... BG

That's good to hear. I had a feeling it was just the card being crooked in the scan and cropped.

 

[mwheeler27]

I may be presumptuous, but I'm also pointing out the truth. Which you're apparently not interested in discussing. You made a statement where you said you wouldn't collect products from companies that make mistakes. Yet, when I ask you if you don't collect anything anymore then because all companies make mistakes you start twisting facts and claim we're only talking about certain companies one card print runs and not all companies having errors in numerous products. So you really should make up your mind as to what you actually mean instead of changing your story.

#1: There's no "may be" about it...you are most definitely being presumptuous, and incorrectly at that.

#2: I never made any statement that I "wouldn't" collect...I stated I wouldn't "want" to collect...

#3: I'll say it again, never before has a company done this with a 1-card print run, to my knowledge. Now, were these cards printed long ago with a whole bunch of other cards? That might very well be the case, however, to the vast majority of collectors, it "looks" like these were printed up on their own. If they were printed up on their own as a sole offering of one player, show me where any other company has made an error like this. I bet you cannot.

And again, you're speaking in hypothetical about what you would do. Have you ever ran a large operation like a card company? Have you ever been in a situation like that while running a card company where you would face eating a lot of money by re-producing cards that are already printed? Because if you haven't, which I'm sure you haven't, then you really truly have no idea what you would do. You can swear up and down all day what you'd do and how you'd be embarrassed and that's all fine and dandy. But my point still stands. You don't know what you'd really do until you're in the situation. It's easy to say what you'd do now, because you're a consumer sitting on the outside looking in with nothing to lose and nothing at risk.

While your point would probably hold true for most, it does not in my case. No, I have not ran a card company, but I didn't become what I am because I was born into money. The mistakes I have made I have paid for to do whatever it took to correct them. Some were more costly than others, but my reputation was/is worth it. How much money are we really talking about here? Is it not possible that a collector has run into a "similar" situation of equal or greater cost in a different business? Surely you're not THAT presumptuous.

We get it, you think it's deplorable that Leaf and Brian would make a typo or two and not correct it. And kudos to you for being bothered so much by it, but like others have said in this thread it's not the end of the world. You're blowing things way out of proportion with your talk about how it's embarrassing and they need to fix the mistake. And yet, Topps, Upper Deck, Panini, and numerous other companies past and present make mistakes in their products and you continue to buy them without making a fuss about it.

This one really made me LOL! You OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about me, but you know what, Brian Gray does. So do a few others in this forum, and this post of yours, especially your last sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

Yes, mistakes happen. There's no denying that some are worse than others, and some of the worst ones are quite costly for business and to reputations.

 

[Leaf]

I may be presumptuous, but I'm also pointing out the truth. Which you're apparently not interested in discussing. You made a statement where you said you wouldn't collect products from companies that make mistakes. Yet, when I ask you if you don't collect anything anymore then because all companies make mistakes you start twisting facts and claim we're only talking about certain companies one card print runs and not all companies having errors in numerous products. So you really should make up your mind as to what you actually mean instead of changing your story.

#1: There's no "may" about it...you are most definitely being presumptuous, and incorrectly at that.

#2: I never made any statement that I "wouldn't" collect...I stated I wouldn't "want" to collect...

#3: I'll say it again, never before has a company done this with a 1-card print run, to my knowledge. Now, were these cards printed long ago with a whole bunch of other cards? That might very well be the case, however, to the vast majority of collectors, it "looks" like these were printed up on their own. If they were printed up on their own as a sole offering of one player, show me where any other company has made an error like this. I bet you cannot.

And again, you're speaking in hypothetical about what you would do. Have you ever ran a large operation like a card company? Have you ever been in a situation like that while running a card company where you would face eating a lot of money by re-producing cards that are already printed? Because if you haven't, which I'm sure you haven't, then you really truly have no idea what you would do. You can swear up and down all day what you'd do and how you'd be embarrassed and that's all fine and dandy. But my point still stands. You don't know what you'd really do until you're in the situation. It's easy to say what you'd do now, because you're a consumer sitting on the outside looking in with nothing to lose and nothing at risk.

While your point would probably hold true for most, it does not in my case. No, I have not ran a card company, but I didn't become what I am because I was born into money. The mistakes I have made I have paid for to do whatever it took to correct them. Some were more costly than others, but my reputation was/is worth it. How much money are we really talking about here? Is it not possible that a collector has run into a "similar" situation of equal or greater cost in a different business? Surely you're not THAT presumptuous.

We get it, you think it's deplorable that Leaf and Brian would make a typo or two and not correct it. And kudos to you for being bothered so much by it, but like others have said in this thread it's not the end of the world. You're blowing things way out of proportion with your talk about how it's embarrassing and they need to fix the mistake. And yet, Topps, Upper Deck, Panini, and numerous other companies past and present make mistakes in their products and you continue to buy them without making a fuss about it.

This one really made me LOL! You OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about me, but you know what, Brian Gray does. So do a few others in this forum, and this post of yours, especially your last sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

Yes, mistakes happen. There's no denying that some are worse than others, and some of the worst ones are quite costly for business and to reputations.

Yes, these were printed before with other cards which is the only way this could be made practically (or the cost would be MUCH MUCH more to collectors)...

With that said, Mwheeler27 (who is not only a great guy, but truly is sincere in all his feelings) is correct. We should not have made these errors... 5 people (including 2 outside leaf) missed these... ARRGHHH!!!!

However, many of the hobby's most popular cards have UER (uncorrected errors)... Just check out beckett...

It is what it is... It will always be Luck's first card... On that point, there is no debate... BG

 

[cgilmo]

I r serious cat...

This r serious hobbeh.