Angels optioned Trout to Triple-A SLC

[AndruwHRJones]

[quote="Wes":34qzdjic][quote="jbhofmann":34qzdjic]I got laughed at for my Drew Stubbs comparison.

Because it's a horrible comparison.

Why, because Trout is supposed to be a better BA guy? With the way he has looked to date, I think Drew Stubbs is a perfect comparison.

The way he has looked to date? You mean, his huge sample size of 123 ABs? Give me a break. This comparison has absolutely ZERO merit outside of the fact that both have some power and both are fast. Trout strikes out far less, walks far more, and has consistently destroyed Stubbs MiLB stats (and doing it while being 4-5 years younger than Stubbs at each step of the way).

He struck out 30 times, as a 19 year old in the majors, for a 22% K/PA ratio. In the minors he struck out at a 16% K/PA ratio. Stubbs struck out at a 23% clip in the minors and a 29% in the majors (which he didn't break in to til he was 24).

I am not saying Trout's potential is limited to Drew Stubbs. But to date, that is who he reminds me of with a slightly better BA. To say the comparison is ridiculous is in itself ridiculous. If you can't see some of the similarities, you are blind.

Thankfully, you aren't a decision maker for any MLB front office. Just to ask, what similarities are there that I am missing here?

CF? Check.
Fast? Check
White? Check
Everything else? Ummmm............[/quote:34qzdjic]

Don't sit on the sidelines. Give us your comparison.[/quote:34qzdjic]

What do you have trouts HR and SB totals at when he is Stubbs age? My point was that I see Trout becoming a 15-20 HR guy with about 40-45 SB's. Maybe the HR's will go up with age? Will his average be better than Stubbs, yes, the stats show that. I didn't realize a comparison HAD to be 100% stat by stat to be considered reasonable or people would call it ridiculous. I still think the comparison is not ridiculous.

 

[Brett Keith]

Cesar Cedeno!

 

[jbhofmann]

Cesar Cedeno!

Honestly Steve Finley in my best comparison of non-current players. I mean that it's so spot on, it's ridiculous.

 

[Wes]

How about this for a bet then? We'll take Stubbs' career WAR today and if Trout doesn't surpass them, you win. If he does, I win. What's that you say? It's not a fair bet because Trout is closer to the big leagues at a much younger age? I guess they aren't so similar after all.

 

[Wes]

I've got a bet for you, Every year that Drew Stubbs posts a higher strikeout rate than Trout, you give me $100. Every year that Trout posts a higher rate than Stubbs, I give you $1000.

I forgot, strikeout rates are all that matter today? They are also the only way you compare players today. How silly of me.

Coming from the same guy who thinks that Montero being a career DH won't affect his card values?

It's amazing how you can pigeon hole players at the age of 20 and 22. Trout is Drew Stubbs and Montero is a career DH who will thus have his card values limited.

 

[jbhofmann]

How about this for a bet then? We'll take Stubbs' career WAR today and if Trout doesn't surpass them, you win. If he does, I win. What's that you say? It's not a fair bet because Trout is closer to the big leagues at a much younger age? I guess they aren't so similar after all.

How can we use career WAR? They are so far apart in age that the eras wont match up.

 

[Wes]

How about this for a bet then? We'll take Stubbs' career WAR today and if Trout doesn't surpass them, you win. If he does, I win. What's that you say? It's not a fair bet because Trout is closer to the big leagues at a much younger age? I guess they aren't so similar after all.

How can we use career WAR? They are so far apart in age that the eras wont match up.

You're saying that they're comparable now. So we'll take Stubbs' career WAR and compare it to Trout's when he reaches Stubb's current age.

 

[Brett Keith]

Cesar Cedeno!

Honestly Steve Finley in my best comparison of non-current players. I mean that it's so spot on, it's ridiculous.

I don't really see it, honestly. Physically very different, and Finley didn't show much pop(even in the minors) till his 30's.

 

[jbhofmann]

How about this for a bet then? We'll take Stubbs' career WAR today and if Trout doesn't surpass them, you win. If he does, I win. What's that you say? It's not a fair bet because Trout is closer to the big leagues at a much younger age? I guess they aren't so similar after all.

How can we use career WAR? They are so far apart in age that the eras wont match up.

You're saying that they're comparable now. So we'll take Stubbs' career WAR and compare it to Trout's when he reaches Stubb's current age.

In Stubbs first full season he had a WAR of 5.2. If Trout can beat that I'll send $20PP.

 

[jbhofmann]

[quote="Brett Keith":28mel2lq]Cesar Cedeno!

Honestly Steve Finley in my best comparison of non-current players. I mean that it's so spot on, it's ridiculous.

I don't really see it, honestly. Physically very different, and Finley didn't show much pop(even in the minors) till his 30's.[/quote:28mel2lq]

I guess you could say that I'm not Calfas Jr. and am willing to go more on a gut feeling about people than most.

 

[LazerShow15]

Do all of you forget how young Trout is and look at their OF, if I were the Angels I would trade Trout at break to my Brewers or Red Sox. I can dream. And lastly, Trout will have a better career than Stubbs.

 

[jbhofmann]

Do all of you forget how young Trout is and look at their OF, if I were the Angels I would trade Trout at break to my Brewers or Red Sox. I can dream. And lastly, Trout will have a better career than Stubbs.

~Bold prediction.~

 

[LazerShow15]

Right now Stubbs has had a better career, but the way you guys talk Trout down at his early age, you think Stubbs is this all world athlete who will save the Reds franchise.

 

[fengzhang]

Keep in mind, this is the board where prospects can do no wrong until age 26. Even if they've sucked and been disappointing like Mike Trout. He has sucked. I think everyone can agree on that.

 

[JoshHamilton]

Hell hath no fury like a prospector scorned.

 

[jbhofmann]

Right now Stubbs has had a better career, but the way you guys talk Trout down at his early age, you think Stubbs is this all world athlete who will save the Reds franchise.

I realize some posts are long and hard to follow, but nobody is claiming that Stubbs is a top tier outfielder. He is a very nice player that strikes out a lot and in my opinion compares well to Mike Trout. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Wes]

Keep in mind, this is the board where prospects can do no wrong until age 26. Even if they've sucked and been disappointing like Mike Trout. He has sucked. I think everyone can agree on that.

He hit .326/.414/.544 at AA as a 19 year old and reached the majors. If that is sucking, I want more players who suck on my team.

 

[Weimer]

Keep in mind, this is the board where prospects can do no wrong until age 26. Even if they've sucked and been disappointing like Mike Trout. He has sucked. I think everyone can agree on that.

He hit .326/.414/.544 at AA as a 19 year old and reached the majors. If that is sucking, I want more players who suck on my team.

Pretty sure fengzhang is talking about this year's spring training. Where he hit .167/.286/.167.

 

[Wes]

Keep in mind, this is the board where prospects can do no wrong until age 26. Even if they've sucked and been disappointing like Mike Trout. He has sucked. I think everyone can agree on that.

He hit .326/.414/.544 at AA as a 19 year old and reached the majors. If that is sucking, I want more players who suck on my team.

Pretty sure fengzhang is talking about this year's spring training. Where he hit .167/.286/.167.

He's both sick and injured. Shouldn't even have been playing.

 

[Brett Keith]

People are aware that Trout missed a lot of time this spring with some flu-like thing that caused him to lose weight and strength, right?