Another Bad Ebay'er...Sellers Beware!!!

[1995BBRefractorGuy]

This whole TOS which seems the buyer feels is the major point isn't really true. First, Ebay allow reminders and the npb process, bottom line. Second, I get from sellers description that he will cancel the transaction at 7 days, although not super clear I don't think it's saying hey paying me in 7 days is acceptable...

"Payment must be received within 7 DAYS after the close of the auction. If payment isn't received in this time period the order will be canceled, a non paying bidder alert will be filed and NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WILL BE LEFT!!!"

On one hand, seriously, who plans to take 7 days to pay for $10 worth of cards??? On the other, is $10 worth of cards really worth chasing a bidder and dealing with yahoo's who have the power to drop undeserved neg's? If I was the buyer, I would just pay for the cards if I wanted them, a seller asking for his money ($10!) isn't unreasonable. Dropping neg's is unwarranted. After, you get the cards and all that leave neutrals if you are still feel wronged. The retaliatory thing is not cool either.

I wouldn't mind seeing these nasty emails...

And this is why selling cheap cards IMO isn't worth the Ebay fee's/ Paypal fee's/ my time/ this kind of hassle...

 

[Lancemountain]

for the dimwits out there that think it "shouldn't be allowed".

I'm the ****** so as much as I'd like to munch popcorn on the sidelines like everyone else, I might as well respond as it's the internet and someone called me a ******. (and a lemming, lol)


Of course people here sided with Rob and took him at his word. He's a nice guy and we like him here. I've bought and sold with him before and last week he pulled a card I wanted. We made the deal and I paypal ed him with a gift. He didn't ask, I just did it. Why? Cause he's a good guy. I don't know one thing about him personally but knew gifted money through paypal to him....beneficial to him and no benefit to me....wouldn't be an issue. I trusted a complete stranger due to how he acts on a baseball card website :lol:

We like him.

You don't.

The truth is always somewhere in between, so I'll stay out of the rest of this stuff. I'll say though, that his retaliatory bidding is total BS. But your negatives were way out of line and you did it just to be a *****. And you know it. Your accusations of shilling are serious and you better back them up.

Cheers,
Lemming

 

[justinmandawg]

You cannot file a NPB until eBay allows you to do so.

Paragraphs are your friend.

 

[Great Dealz Rob]

Wow! I take a day off with the family and find this. I have always been upfront with everyone and have no reason to hide. If anyone wants more info I will supply it. I really wish my "friend" had all of his stories straight before he attacks. Some of these "accusations" are way out of line as eBay has already looked into it and agreed.

#1) As already stated a purchase was made with a secondary account. Not the highest point for me, but when eBay allows schanigans like the one sided buyer feedback to happen, sometimes you do stuff you are not proud of.

#2) Said sccount has only been mine and in my name since Sept of '09. The acount was a local persons that was newer to the world of eBay. They have bought cards from me in the past. In September when they go to in debt from buying cards I took the acount over. You may ask why not NRU the acount? They were enrolled in eBay Bucks and had money coming back in a couple months. I asked to take it over so I could benefit from the program since many people aren't able to participate in the program.

3) Accusations of schilling? C'mon man. A few things don't add up. Why would I schill BIN/BO items???? That is the majority of what I sell. From time to time I run auctions, but in a store I run arond 1000 BIN/BO listings. Second, why would I pay eBay fees if I was schilling??? That is ridiculous. Also, check the bidding history, there isn't any since the last owner stepped away. You can accuse all you want. Also, I think if I was "schilling" eBay would catch the same 2 names & addresses on both acounts in the transaction. There aren't any games and eBay has agreed with me there.

4) This could all of been avoided if the buyer would just communicate. If you are not going to pay on the day the items end, just be polite and tell the seller that. When you got my friendly reminder on day #6.

Here is what that 2 "nasty email" reads like that I sent the seller....

Hello. Thanks again for your recent purchase(s). This is just a FRIENDLY REMINDER that all auctions are to be paid for within 7 days of closing. At this point, no payment or communication has been made and we are almost to that deadline. I accept Paypal & USPS Money Orders ONLY. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me right away. Thanks for choosing to do business with me.

My follow up to his "kind" words...

So you know a little communication on your part would go a long way. After the first day if you would state that you are not going to pay until a certain day you could avoid issues like this. An invoice is sent daily until payment is made or the 7 day window is met. If you want to get technical, eBay's rules are payment needs to be made within 4 days. I allow for a longer payment window. I have been selling on eBay for several years and do an outstanding job. When a buyer wins auctions and doesn't communicate at all with a seller that shows bad on you, not me. By sending a friendly reminder that payment needs to be made I am extending you a courtesy. Everything was done by me under the rules of eBay. If you don't agree feel free to contact me. Thanks, Rob

These are the "kind" emails I receive in return...

Would you care to explain what the idea is in filing unpaid item alerts
PRIOR to the expiration of the 7 day payment window listed in the item
descriptions?

I suppose that could be reflected in feedback...........

A.T.


I suggest you close those unpaid item alerts immediately.......

BTW...Since the powerseller icon isn't located next to your name on Ebay, does that mean you're not REALLY a powerseller as you state in your invoices?

And once I receive those cards in PRISTINE condition, we'll see if the
feedback you'll receive will be that 5 STAR FEEDBACK you beg for in
every invoice...........

As you can see, I have nothing to hide from. I'm not spinning the situation, just telling the truth. It's amazing that I try to get paid on $10 worth of cards and get this. I guess it would of been better to just not sell the cards, but then I would get negative feedback and no money thanks to the rules of eBay. So beleive what you want. Those who have dealt with me know what I am all about. Thanks for reading and I apologize for the long read. Needless to say I am a tad bit PO'd this morning. Rob

 

[Therion]

I need to photoshop this so that "Internets" is replaced with "Bayhsbahl Cardz".

All this drama over $10 worth of baseball cards.

 

[ATDEXTER]

Keep spinning those tales, Desperation Rob.........

You state payment due within 7 days, filed NPB's AN HOUR after sending a reminder on day 6......payment wasn't late, Desperation, do the math.

Here's my email to ebay:

"Recently, I had a problem with ebay seller xxgreatdealzxx, Rob Post of Lake Villa, IL.

I placed a bidder block against him so that he could not bid on my items.

To get around this bidder block, Mr. Post used the ebay ID roncolduck28rj and won 4 of my items for the expressed purpose of leaving negative feedback and harming my DSR ratings.

If you review the invoice request I received from "....".

This is the same exact address that .... lists in his payment invoices for "xxgreatdealzxx" and sends to customers who might wish to pay via money order.

Upon reviewing feedback left for "roncolduck28rj", I discovered that Mr. Post has used this secondary ebay account to bid on, win, and leave positive feedback for items he himself has sold and is selling on his main "xxgreatdealzxx" account, and has done so on numerous occassions dating back to March of 2009.

"xxgreatdealz", a TOP RATED seller, then left multiple positive feedbacks for his own SHILL BIDDING account, "roncolduck28rj".

So, apparently, Mr. Post has not only maliciously tried to circumvent ebay regulations by bidding on items he was previously blocked from bidding on, but he has been routinely engaging in shill bidding practices and ripping off his customers by artificially inflating the prices he receives for his auctions run under his "xxgreatdealzxx" banner.

I would appreciate some attention to this matter.

A.T."

 

[George_Calfas]

#2) Said sccount has only been mine and in my name since Sept of '09. The acount was a local persons that was newer to the world of eBay. They have bought cards from me in the past. In September when they go to in debt from buying cards I took the acount over. You may ask why not NRU the acount? They were enrolled in eBay Bucks and had money coming back in a couple months. I asked to take it over so I could benefit from the program since many people aren't able to participate in the program.

If this person wanted your cards and they were local why did you not just sell them outright and save fees. Many will say this does not add up since the buyer has FB only from you early on.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... tForOthers

 

[ChasHawk]

Real classy to post someone's name and address on a message board.

Mods - Can we figure out wtf is going on here please?

 

[rico08]

I'm blocking both Rob and AT.

Thanks for the thread.

 

[lordsepic]

Wow! I take a day off with the family and find this. I have always been upfront with everyone and have no reason to hide. If anyone wants more info I will supply it. I really wish my "friend" had all of his stories straight before he attacks. Some of these "accusations" are way out of line as eBay has already looked into it and agreed.

#1) As already stated a purchase was made with a secondary account. Not the highest point for me, but when eBay allows schanigans like the one sided buyer feedback to happen, sometimes you do stuff you are not proud of.
This stands out to me because in previous posts before your accuser showed up and the only story we heard was your 1-sided version, you mentioned how you are always honest and value being a truthful person... this doesn't seem honest in the least.

#2) Said sccount has only been mine and in my name since Sept of '09. The acount was a local persons that was newer to the world of eBay. They have bought cards from me in the past. In September when they go to in debt from buying cards I took the acount over. You may ask why not NRU the acount? They were enrolled in eBay Bucks and had money coming back in a couple months. I asked to take it over so I could benefit from the program since many people aren't able to participate in the program.
This sounds like an excuse one of my 9th graders would give about a missing assignment... I do not understand why a local person would buy and pay fees from you when he could do it from you in person...or while the same person

3) Accusations of schilling? C'mon man. A few things don't add up. Why would I schill BIN/BO items???? That is the majority of what I sell. From time to time I run auctions, but in a store I run arond 1000 BIN/BO listings. Second, why would I pay eBay fees if I was schilling??? That is ridiculous. Also, check the bidding history, there isn't any since the last owner stepped away. You can accuse all you want. Also, I think if I was "schilling" eBay would catch the same 2 names & addresses on both acounts in the transaction. There aren't any games and eBay has agreed with me there.
I agree...but on your end

4) This could all of been avoided if the buyer would just communicate. If you are not going to pay on the day the items end, just be polite and tell the seller that. When you got my friendly reminder on day #6.

Rob I have always enjoyed chatting with you and such but need this cleared up, because in my eyes right now your side doesn't make much sense

 

[Jastermereel]

That 'friend' excuse sounds like a load of BS to me.

Both of you guys really seem to leave something to be desired.

 

[lordsepic]

Wow! I take a day off with the family and find this. I have always been upfront with everyone and have no reason to hide. If anyone wants more info I will supply it. I really wish my "friend" had all of his stories straight before he attacks. Some of these "accusations" are way out of line as eBay has already looked into it and agreed.

#1) As already stated a purchase was made with a secondary account. Not the highest point for me, but when eBay allows schanigans like the one sided buyer feedback to happen, sometimes you do stuff you are not proud of.
This stands out to me because in previous posts before your accuser showed up and the only story we heard was your 1-sided version, you mentioned how you are always honest and value being a truthful person... this doesn't seem honest in the least.

#2) Said sccount has only been mine and in my name since Sept of '09. The acount was a local persons that was newer to the world of eBay. They have bought cards from me in the past. In September when they go to in debt from buying cards I took the acount over. You may ask why not NRU the acount? They were enrolled in eBay Bucks and had money coming back in a couple months. I asked to take it over so I could benefit from the program since many people aren't able to participate in the program.
This sounds like an excuse one of my 9th graders would give about a missing assignment... I do not understand why a local person would buy and pay fees from you when he could do it from you in person...or while the same person, and with so few purchases their ebay bucks could not have really been built up enough to take a shot at your honest and trustworthiness that you claim is so important. I have never had a talk...EVER with a friend or someone I sold to about taking over their account because of debt...How much debt could you have on a few low end card purchases...Because if he had debt it would have been to you and you would have not sent him great feedback. I do not know a single seller who gives amazing feedback to guys who cannot pay on their purchases

3) Accusations of schilling? C'mon man. A few things don't add up. Why would I schill BIN/BO items???? That is the majority of what I sell. From time to time I run auctions, but in a store I run arond 1000 BIN/BO listings. Second, why would I pay eBay fees if I was schilling??? That is ridiculous. Also, check the bidding history, there isn't any since the last owner stepped away. You can accuse all you want. Also, I think if I was "schilling" eBay would catch the same 2 names & addresses on both acounts in the transaction. There aren't any games and eBay has agreed with me there.
I agree...but on your end

4) This could all of been avoided if the buyer would just communicate. If you are not going to pay on the day the items end, just be polite and tell the seller that. When you got my friendly reminder on day #6.

Rob I have always enjoyed chatting with you and such but need this cleared up, because in my eyes right now your side doesn't make much sense

 

[cgilmo]

locking this down after I have talked to Rob


There is no recent bid history between the two accounts, and while yes that thread and feedback being there is a bit odd it is not indicative of shill bidding as the accuser indicates.

Yeah, Rob shouldn't have bid on his stuff to get retaliation, but there wasn't any shill bidding.