Anybody else getting more PWE's lately?

[bear0555]

Not only have I noticed more PWEs lately, the cards I've been getting are gu cards that are getting damaged. The sellers have been offering me refunds but claiming they never received the items when I ship back.

 

[cmnkb8]

I recently got a Diamond Die-Cut Giveaway in a PWE that got creased up significantly along the back. And I know it was from the sorting machine, since the toploader was cracked. If I get a card in a PWE with sorting machine damage, I'll automatically leave a negative and file a chargeback. I used to leave positives with a note about PWEs if the card arrived fine, but from now on, even if it gets to me in the condition described I'm leaving a neutral and adding the seller to my blacklist (only exception would be if they add cardboard and pay the non-machinable surcharge to have it shipped like a "parcel"). A PWE is inadequate protection for shipping a card IMO.

 

[RZimm11]

With ebay wanting us sellers to charge nothing for shipping, I can see why it is happening more frequently. I do charge for shipping but I lose mooney on every package I ship. I charge $2.00 for domestic shipping. It costs me $1.75 through paypal to ship 1-3 cards depending on the size of the card. I only charge $2.00 to protect my DSR. I find it very odd that some buyers leave bad ratings for sellers that charge $3.00 for shipping. I used to charge $3.00 and would regularly get killed on my DSR. I think $3 is fair. Most buyers only think of the cost of shipping and don't factor in the handling or the cost of shipping supplies. I don't know why ebay hasn't come up with a standard shipping charge across the board. It would save a lot of issues and would help protect the sellers that bring them all their money. But you and I both know ebay doesn't give 2 shats about the sellers.
-end rant

Shouldn't cost any more than $.10 for supplies. If you are spending more than $.25 for a bubble envelope, toploader, penny sleeve and team bag, you are buying them from the wrong people.

Also ebay would be unable to come up with standard shipping prices considering people sell billions of unique items. There is no way any company could come up with a proper list.

Other costs you have not factored in:
Printer ink, shipping lable, gas(for the drive to the post office), and my time. If minimum wage is $8.00 an hour, if it only took me 1 minute to ship a card, that would be another 13 cents alone!

Also if you want you could also factor in the cost of the printer, computer, and monthly internet charges. On top of that ebay is now charging fees on shipping so that factors in to the equation too. All of these things are used when shipping an item.

I thought maybe they could have shipping charges for each unique category. I understand it would be difficult. But it seems like they do many difficult things to screw the seller, maybe they could do one thing to help us out.

Every time shipping increases come up, someone goes with this argument about all that goes into selling.

They have specific rules on what is allowed and what isn't allowed to be included, yet you want to factor them into your shipping cost. You don't even follow their rules now. So why would you want them to make a new one about blanket shipping?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sel ... tices.html
What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.
Tip: You should incorporate any insurance fees into an item's price or handling cost.
Tariffs, duties, and customs fees: For cross-border transactions, you're not allowed to collect tariffs, duties, or customs fees. (Buyers may be responsible for paying these fees as required by country laws.)
Tip: Remember not to inappropriately classify an item as a gift as a way to avoid certain duties, tariffs, or customs fees. U.S. law prohibits submitting false or misleading customs information.
Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added.

 

[ballerskrip]

With ebay wanting us sellers to charge nothing for shipping, I can see why it is happening more frequently. I do charge for shipping but I lose mooney on every package I ship. I charge $2.00 for domestic shipping. It costs me $1.75 through paypal to ship 1-3 cards depending on the size of the card. I only charge $2.00 to protect my DSR. I find it very odd that some buyers leave bad ratings for sellers that charge $3.00 for shipping. I used to charge $3.00 and would regularly get killed on my DSR. I think $3 is fair. Most buyers only think of the cost of shipping and don't factor in the handling or the cost of shipping supplies. I don't know why ebay hasn't come up with a standard shipping charge across the board. It would save a lot of issues and would help protect the sellers that bring them all their money. But you and I both know ebay doesn't give 2 shats about the sellers.
-end rant

Shouldn't cost any more than $.10 for supplies. If you are spending more than $.25 for a bubble envelope, toploader, penny sleeve and team bag, you are buying them from the wrong people.

Also ebay would be unable to come up with standard shipping prices considering people sell billions of unique items. There is no way any company could come up with a proper list.

Other costs you have not factored in:
Printer ink, shipping lable, gas(for the drive to the post office), and my time. If minimum wage is $8.00 an hour, if it only took me 1 minute to ship a card, that would be another 13 cents alone!

Also if you want you could also factor in the cost of the printer, computer, and monthly internet charges. On top of that ebay is now charging fees on shipping so that factors in to the equation too. All of these things are used when shipping an item.

I thought maybe they could have shipping charges for each unique category. I understand it would be difficult. But it seems like they do many difficult things to screw the seller, maybe they could do one thing to help us out.

Every time shipping increases come up, someone goes with this argument about all that goes into selling.

They have specific rules on what is allowed and what isn't allowed to be included, yet you want to factor them into your shipping cost. You don't even follow their rules now. So why would you want them to make a new one about blanket shipping?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sel ... tices.html
What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.
Tip: You should incorporate any insurance fees into an item's price or handling cost.
Tariffs, duties, and customs fees: For cross-border transactions, you're not allowed to collect tariffs, duties, or customs fees. (Buyers may be responsible for paying these fees as required by country laws.)
Tip: Remember not to inappropriately classify an item as a gift as a way to avoid certain duties, tariffs, or customs fees. U.S. law prohibits submitting false or misleading customs information.
Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added.

I disagree 100%. Paper and ink and toner are 100% a shipping and handling expense. I never really think about gas and time, because that is a part of it. But i print very little, other than my labels. That does add up. I am now charging $2 for shipping any item I think will sell for less than $10. Free shipping on everything over that. Overall, yes I will lose money on shipping, especially WITH EBAY NOW CHARGING ME 9% of that $2.00!

 

[Zithy]

[/quote]

I disagree 100%. Paper and ink and toner are 100% a shipping and handling expense. I never really think about gas and time, because that is a part of it. But i print very little, other than my labels. That does add up. I am now charging $2 for shipping any item I think will sell for less than $10. Free shipping on everything over that. Overall, yes I will lose money on shipping, especially WITH EBAY NOW CHARGING ME 9% of that $2.00! [/quote]


You're disagreeing with Ebay policy, which means . . . what? You sell on their site, which means you do agree to abide by their rules. Paper and ink, etc should be added into the cost of the item sold.

Simple solution. Charge more for shipping. If you don't like suddenly losing .18 on each sale now(can't blame ya) then charge $2.29 and see no difference in your DSRs.

Or raise your shipping and never bother checking your DSRs at all. Ever. And don't worry about them. Which is more important - real $$ in your account or numbers on your DSR screen?

The only time I offer free shipping is for higher priced items that I am certain I cover the cost by adding it into the BIN price. A $30 item is listed at $33-35 dlvd price. Not $32.

 

[RZimm11]

With ebay wanting us sellers to charge nothing for shipping, I can see why it is happening more frequently. I do charge for shipping but I lose mooney on every package I ship. I charge $2.00 for domestic shipping. It costs me $1.75 through paypal to ship 1-3 cards depending on the size of the card. I only charge $2.00 to protect my DSR. I find it very odd that some buyers leave bad ratings for sellers that charge $3.00 for shipping. I used to charge $3.00 and would regularly get killed on my DSR. I think $3 is fair. Most buyers only think of the cost of shipping and don't factor in the handling or the cost of shipping supplies. I don't know why ebay hasn't come up with a standard shipping charge across the board. It would save a lot of issues and would help protect the sellers that bring them all their money. But you and I both know ebay doesn't give 2 shats about the sellers.
-end rant

Shouldn't cost any more than $.10 for supplies. If you are spending more than $.25 for a bubble envelope, toploader, penny sleeve and team bag, you are buying them from the wrong people.

Also ebay would be unable to come up with standard shipping prices considering people sell billions of unique items. There is no way any company could come up with a proper list.

Other costs you have not factored in:
Printer ink, shipping lable, gas(for the drive to the post office), and my time. If minimum wage is $8.00 an hour, if it only took me 1 minute to ship a card, that would be another 13 cents alone!

Also if you want you could also factor in the cost of the printer, computer, and monthly internet charges. On top of that ebay is now charging fees on shipping so that factors in to the equation too. All of these things are used when shipping an item.

I thought maybe they could have shipping charges for each unique category. I understand it would be difficult. But it seems like they do many difficult things to screw the seller, maybe they could do one thing to help us out.

Every time shipping increases come up, someone goes with this argument about all that goes into selling.

They have specific rules on what is allowed and what isn't allowed to be included, yet you want to factor them into your shipping cost. You don't even follow their rules now. So why would you want them to make a new one about blanket shipping?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sel ... tices.html
What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.
Tip: You should incorporate any insurance fees into an item's price or handling cost.
Tariffs, duties, and customs fees: For cross-border transactions, you're not allowed to collect tariffs, duties, or customs fees. (Buyers may be responsible for paying these fees as required by country laws.)
Tip: Remember not to inappropriately classify an item as a gift as a way to avoid certain duties, tariffs, or customs fees. U.S. law prohibits submitting false or misleading customs information.
Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added.

I disagree 100%. Paper and ink and toner are 100% a shipping and handling expense. I never really think about gas and time, because that is a part of it. But i print very little, other than my labels. That does add up. I am now charging $2 for shipping any item I think will sell for less than $10. Free shipping on everything over that. Overall, yes I will lose money on shipping, especially WITH EBAY NOW CHARGING ME 9% of that $2.00!

I'm not saying it's right what they do, with all the fees and everything, but people always use the "gas/mileage/PO time/etc" argument when they start adding pennies up in these threads. They are explicitly told not to do that in ebay's own policies.

I only print labels, for the most part, as well. I just spent $24 for a new black cartridge alone, and I don't think I used it for anything else.

But things like paper/labels, ink, the printer itself, etc, I would classify under the cost of doing business.

So if you're selling as a business, I'd assume you can claim that stuff on your taxes, so you'll get reimbursed when you do them anyway.

If you're not a business (which the large majority of card sellers on ebay are not) and just selling occasionally to fund your collection, you just need to change your collecting habits accordingly.

Sorry, but ebay IS a business, and they aren't going to be worried that you lose .50 out of your pocket to fund your card collection.

 

[RZimm11]

I disagree 100%. Paper and ink and toner are 100% a shipping and handling expense. I never really think about gas and time, because that is a part of it. But i print very little, other than my labels. That does add up. I am now charging $2 for shipping any item I think will sell for less than $10. Free shipping on everything over that. Overall, yes I will lose money on shipping, especially WITH EBAY NOW CHARGING ME 9% of that $2.00!

You're disagreeing with Ebay policy, which means . . . what? You sell on their site, which means you do agree to abide by their rules. Paper and ink, etc should be added into the cost of the item sold.

Simple solution. Charge more for shipping. If you don't like suddenly losing .18 on each sale now(can't blame ya) then charge $2.29 and see no difference in your DSRs.

Or raise your shipping and never bother checking your DSRs at all. Ever. And don't worry about them. Which is more important - real $$ in your account or numbers on your DSR screen?

The only time I offer free shipping is for higher priced items that I am certain I cover the cost by adding it into the BIN price. A $30 item is listed at $33-35 dlvd price. Not $32.

I agree. Best thing to do is either factor EVERYTHING into your shipping price, or your starting/BIN price.

I used to list at .99 and charge shipping. Now I start at 2.00 with free shipping on most everything, and ship 1st class with DC. I win some, and lose some. But this is a hobby for me, and anything I might make, I'm happy putting back into cards. Losing a few cents on shipping on a common once in a while isn't terrible.

 

[jbrown]

With ebay wanting us sellers to charge nothing for shipping, I can see why it is happening more frequently. I do charge for shipping but I lose mooney on every package I ship. I charge $2.00 for domestic shipping. It costs me $1.75 through paypal to ship 1-3 cards depending on the size of the card. I only charge $2.00 to protect my DSR. I find it very odd that some buyers leave bad ratings for sellers that charge $3.00 for shipping. I used to charge $3.00 and would regularly get killed on my DSR. I think $3 is fair. Most buyers only think of the cost of shipping and don't factor in the handling or the cost of shipping supplies. I don't know why ebay hasn't come up with a standard shipping charge across the board. It would save a lot of issues and would help protect the sellers that bring them all their money. But you and I both know ebay doesn't give 2 shats about the sellers.
-end rant

Shouldn't cost any more than $.10 for supplies. If you are spending more than $.25 for a bubble envelope, toploader, penny sleeve and team bag, you are buying them from the wrong people.

Also ebay would be unable to come up with standard shipping prices considering people sell billions of unique items. There is no way any company could come up with a proper list.

Other costs you have not factored in:
Printer ink, shipping lable, gas(for the drive to the post office), and my time. If minimum wage is $8.00 an hour, if it only took me 1 minute to ship a card, that would be another 13 cents alone!

Also if you want you could also factor in the cost of the printer, computer, and monthly internet charges. On top of that ebay is now charging fees on shipping so that factors in to the equation too. All of these things are used when shipping an item.

I thought maybe they could have shipping charges for each unique category. I understand it would be difficult. But it seems like they do many difficult things to screw the seller, maybe they could do one thing to help us out.

Every time shipping increases come up, someone goes with this argument about all that goes into selling.

They have specific rules on what is allowed and what isn't allowed to be included, yet you want to factor them into your shipping cost. You don't even follow their rules now. So why would you want them to make a new one about blanket shipping?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sel ... tices.html
What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.
Tip: You should incorporate any insurance fees into an item's price or handling cost.
Tariffs, duties, and customs fees: For cross-border transactions, you're not allowed to collect tariffs, duties, or customs fees. (Buyers may be responsible for paying these fees as required by country laws.)
Tip: Remember not to inappropriately classify an item as a gift as a way to avoid certain duties, tariffs, or customs fees. U.S. law prohibits submitting false or misleading customs information.
Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added.

Okay, so remove the gas part of the equation. This is kinda confusing to me. How can these be the rules for shipping and handling but you cannot include the handling part in your shipping & handling charges? i.e. time spent at carrier.

 

[RZimm11]

With ebay wanting us sellers to charge nothing for shipping, I can see why it is happening more frequently. I do charge for shipping but I lose mooney on every package I ship. I charge $2.00 for domestic shipping. It costs me $1.75 through paypal to ship 1-3 cards depending on the size of the card. I only charge $2.00 to protect my DSR. I find it very odd that some buyers leave bad ratings for sellers that charge $3.00 for shipping. I used to charge $3.00 and would regularly get killed on my DSR. I think $3 is fair. Most buyers only think of the cost of shipping and don't factor in the handling or the cost of shipping supplies. I don't know why ebay hasn't come up with a standard shipping charge across the board. It would save a lot of issues and would help protect the sellers that bring them all their money. But you and I both know ebay doesn't give 2 shats about the sellers.
-end rant

Shouldn't cost any more than $.10 for supplies. If you are spending more than $.25 for a bubble envelope, toploader, penny sleeve and team bag, you are buying them from the wrong people.

Also ebay would be unable to come up with standard shipping prices considering people sell billions of unique items. There is no way any company could come up with a proper list.

Other costs you have not factored in:
Printer ink, shipping lable, gas(for the drive to the post office), and my time. If minimum wage is $8.00 an hour, if it only took me 1 minute to ship a card, that would be another 13 cents alone!

Also if you want you could also factor in the cost of the printer, computer, and monthly internet charges. On top of that ebay is now charging fees on shipping so that factors in to the equation too. All of these things are used when shipping an item.

I thought maybe they could have shipping charges for each unique category. I understand it would be difficult. But it seems like they do many difficult things to screw the seller, maybe they could do one thing to help us out.

Every time shipping increases come up, someone goes with this argument about all that goes into selling.

They have specific rules on what is allowed and what isn't allowed to be included, yet you want to factor them into your shipping cost. You don't even follow their rules now. So why would you want them to make a new one about blanket shipping?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/sel ... tices.html
What you're not allowed to charge
Insurance: You can't charge a separate fee for insurance, although you still need to make sure your item arrives as described.
Tip: You should incorporate any insurance fees into an item's price or handling cost.
Tariffs, duties, and customs fees: For cross-border transactions, you're not allowed to collect tariffs, duties, or customs fees. (Buyers may be responsible for paying these fees as required by country laws.)
Tip: Remember not to inappropriately classify an item as a gift as a way to avoid certain duties, tariffs, or customs fees. U.S. law prohibits submitting false or misleading customs information.
Related fees: Things like gas, mileage, time spent at a carrier, employee wages, or eBay and PayPal fees should not be added.

Okay, so remove the gas part of the equation. This is kinda confusing to me. How can these be the rules for shipping and handling but you cannot include the handling part in your shipping & handling charges? i.e. time spent at carrier.

No clue. Don't understand it, just know what it says, because I kept seeing the same argument every time this came up, so I actually went and searched for it.

Like I posted earlier, I only sell about 10-20 cards a month, and don't really care if I lose .10 on a sale. I can see how .10/per can affect a much larger business type seller. But if you're selling that much, for a living as a business, you should be able to keep your supplies/shipping down enough to stay viable.

 

[Joshua.Roundtree]

I received a Brian Johnson Bowman Platinum Red Refractor Auto Patch /10 in a PWE two weeks ago from eBay. I almost couldn't believe it, $35 purchase with FREE S/H, gets a PWE, card wasn't damaged (at least as far as I can tell), but c'mon for $35 you should get a padded mailer, that's just common sense.

 

[ballerskrip]

I received a Brian Johnson Bowman Platinum Red Refractor Auto Patch /10 in a PWE two weeks ago from eBay. I almost couldn't believe it, $35 purchase with FREE S/H, gets a PWE, card wasn't damaged (at least as far as I can tell), but c'mon for $35 you should get a padded mailer, that's just common sense.

I said it before, we will see more and more sellers get booted because of this. The amount of viable and dependable sellers of cards on ebay is shrinking, and sadly will continue to do so.

skrip