Anybody know ebay id: jaybruce12

[des1984]

I won a 2009 TTT Rasmus auto:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

I receive it yesterday and it's in a PWE with 2 strands of bubble wrap around the card.....NO toploader or anything. I email him voicing my displeasure and he wants me to ship the card back. That's I guess ok but I was really liking the card and his responses were more than "out there".

Here's my email to him:

You've got to be kidding me. You ship the card in a PWE and its wrapped in only two sheets of bubblewrap. It's not even in a toploader. I expect some sort of reimbursement for this. That is not how I expected a card that I value to be shipped. All 4 corners are rounded and not sharp like it should be.

His response:

yu paid $20 for a 50 dollar card and I always wrap carps to protect them better than any other ebayer. send the card back and I will refund your money.

Come on.....$50 dollar card I got for $20.....NOT.....and then I protect them better than any other ebayer......I DON'T THINK SO.

 

[pujolsthomefan33]

Actually, according to his auction, he is charging $4.00 via Priority mail...so if he didnt do that, then he is not following his auction rules. Also, where the hell did one of those sell for $575??

TK

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

You like the card? Keep it (as long as it was in a condition you can live with). Leave negative feedback as he is charging $4.00 for priority and sends in a PWE.
Leave 1 star in every category. I'm not one for if you dont like it, send it back BS. I dont like that I paid $4.00 for a PWE. Bye Bye 100% feedback. Too many sellers do this and refund when someone complains, otherwise they are stealing $2-$3 at a clip. I'm also a seller on eBay and dont like this BS. Whether you got a $300 card for $5 does not matter in s/h. Pay for it = get it. On the other hand if you pay $1.00 s/h you cant expect a bubble mailer, wrap, etc....

I would keep it and drop a negative. Only way to correct sellers like that.

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

Check out his feedback....ALL Positive ::facepalm::

A++, padded envelope better than bubble rap

nice card but poor packaging please use top loader next time

nice card but poor packaging please use top loader next time

Not the first time for him......

 

[nyc3]

Some will disagree with this but drop a negative, not only would it cause him to use them but also make other users aware he is doing this. Cause as you can see leaving a positive just makes it blend in with the other feedback.

 

[Crash Davis]

I won a 2009 TTT Rasmus auto:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

I receive it yesterday and it's in a PWE with 2 strands of bubble wrap around the card.....NO toploader or anything. I email him voicing my displeasure and he wants me to ship the card back. That's I guess ok but I was really liking the card and his responses were more than "out there".

Here's my email to him:

You've got to be kidding me. You ship the card in a PWE and its wrapped in only two sheets of bubblewrap. It's not even in a toploader. I expect some sort of reimbursement for this. That is not how I expected a card that I value to be shipped. All 4 corners are rounded and not sharp like it should be.

His response:

yu paid $20 for a 50 dollar card and I always wrap carps to protect them better than any other ebayer. send the card back and I will refund your money.

Come on.....$50 dollar card I got for $20.....NOT.....and then I protect them better than any other ebayer......I DON'T THINK SO.

No offense, but your email to him was obnoxious, as well.

Perhaps if you began your email by not being so accusatory, then you may have fared a bit better. He offered you a full refund if you sent the card back. What more can he/she do?

Yes the packaging was piss-poor, but beginning an email with "you've got to be kidding me" - well, I'm surprised that you got such a courteous reply. Now, charging you for Priority Mail shipping and sending it in a PWE is another thing. He such be castrated for that.

 

[HPC]

I won a 2009 TTT Rasmus auto:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

I receive it yesterday and it's in a PWE with 2 strands of bubble wrap around the card.....NO toploader or anything. I email him voicing my displeasure and he wants me to ship the card back. That's I guess ok but I was really liking the card and his responses were more than "out there".

Here's my email to him:

You've got to be kidding me. You ship the card in a PWE and its wrapped in only two sheets of bubblewrap. It's not even in a toploader. I expect some sort of reimbursement for this. That is not how I expected a card that I value to be shipped. All 4 corners are rounded and not sharp like it should be.

His response:

yu paid $20 for a 50 dollar card and I always wrap carps to protect them better than any other ebayer. send the card back and I will refund your money.

Come on.....$50 dollar card I got for $20.....NOT.....and then I protect them better than any other ebayer......I DON'T THINK SO.

No offense, but your email to him was obnoxious, as well.

Perhaps if you began your email by not being so accusatory, then you may have fared a bit better. He offered you a full refund if you sent the card back. What more can he/she do?

Yes the packaging was piss-poor, but beginning an email with "you've got to be kidding me" - well, I'm surprised that you got such a courteous reply. Now, charging you for Priority Mail shipping and sending it in a PWE is another thing. He such be castrated for that.

Agreed.

Your email was rude.

Dude offered you a refund if you sent it back, which is standard process.

 

[descott77]

wouldnt it be common sense to use a top loader? i dont know a single card that i have shipped that wasnt in a top loader even if it was just a common base card...

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I won a 2009 TTT Rasmus auto:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT

I receive it yesterday and it's in a PWE with 2 strands of bubble wrap around the card.....NO toploader or anything. I email him voicing my displeasure and he wants me to ship the card back. That's I guess ok but I was really liking the card and his responses were more than "out there".

Here's my email to him:

You've got to be kidding me. You ship the card in a PWE and its wrapped in only two sheets of bubblewrap. It's not even in a toploader. I expect some sort of reimbursement for this. That is not how I expected a card that I value to be shipped. All 4 corners are rounded and not sharp like it should be.

His response:

yu paid $20 for a 50 dollar card and I always wrap carps to protect them better than any other ebayer. send the card back and I will refund your money.

Come on.....$50 dollar card I got for $20.....NOT.....and then I protect them better than any other ebayer......I DON'T THINK SO.

No offense, but your email to him was obnoxious, as well.

Perhaps if you began your email by not being so accusatory, then you may have fared a bit better. He offered you a full refund if you sent the card back. What more can he/she do?

Yes the packaging was piss-poor, but beginning an email with "you've got to be kidding me" - well, I'm surprised that you got such a courteous reply. Now, charging you for Priority Mail shipping and sending it in a PWE is another thing. He such be castrated for that.

Agreed.

Your email was rude.

Dude offered you a refund if you sent it back, which is standard process.

Is it standard process to charge $4.00 for Priority and ship in a PWE?
Then when the guy is pissed and calls you out about it (which I would be to) you say, send it back? "You caught me stealing officer I'll just put the TV back and we'll call it even. No harm, no foul."

Drop a negative and move on......

 

[HPC]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... K:MEWNX:IT[/url]

I receive it yesterday and it's in a PWE with 2 strands of bubble wrap around the card.....NO toploader or anything. I email him voicing my displeasure and he wants me to ship the card back. That's I guess ok but I was really liking the card and his responses were more than "out there".

Here's my email to him:

You've got to be kidding me. You ship the card in a PWE and its wrapped in only two sheets of bubblewrap. It's not even in a toploader. I expect some sort of reimbursement for this. That is not how I expected a card that I value to be shipped. All 4 corners are rounded and not sharp like it should be.

His response:

yu paid $20 for a 50 dollar card and I always wrap carps to protect them better than any other ebayer. send the card back and I will refund your money.

Come on.....$50 dollar card I got for $20.....NOT.....and then I protect them better than any other ebayer......I DON'T THINK SO.

No offense, but your email to him was obnoxious, as well.

Perhaps if you began your email by not being so accusatory, then you may have fared a bit better. He offered you a full refund if you sent the card back. What more can he/she do?

Yes the packaging was piss-poor, but beginning an email with "you've got to be kidding me" - well, I'm surprised that you got such a courteous reply. Now, charging you for Priority Mail shipping and sending it in a PWE is another thing. He such be castrated for that.

Agreed.

Your email was rude.

Dude offered you a refund if you sent it back, which is standard process.

Is it standard process to charge $4.00 for Priority and ship in a PWE?
Then when the guy is pissed and calls you out about it (which I would be to) you say, send it back? "You caught me stealing officer I'll just put the TV back and we'll call it even. No harm, no foul."

Drop a negative and move on......[/quote:brqzp1dy]


I never said, at all, what he did was right.

I said what he did was standard process regarding returning an item: send it back, get your money back.

 

[pigskincardboard]

Was the plain white envelope sent via priority? Just because it was sent in a PWE doesn't mean it was sent via snail mail.

Secondly, if he did send it by snail mail -- They don't allow hard plastic.

I'm sure if you asked, they would say a thick card's a no-go too, but they always say hard plastic = no
So it's somewhat understandable that he wouldn't include a toploader -- it's not allowed unless you send it small-packet.

Some people think that toploaders should be paid for in addition to the card.

Just playing devil's advocate, but unless he states it'll be shipped in a toploader, he's done nothing wrong. You're getting the item mentioned in the sale, in the same condition that was shown. That completes the sale. Quite frankly, you can't see that the corner's aren't rounded in the picture. As long as he's not misrepresenting anything, he's fulfilled his duty.

He could say that the corners were rounded before he shipped it out. If he says the corners were rounded in the mail, he'd have less of a case.

Why are you pissed again? Rounded corners? Or because you feel that he overcharged you for shipping?

eBay would be so much better if they separated a seller's handling charge from their shipping charges.

 

[JEA2880]

No way I send it back without first being COMPLETELY reimbursed. Open a paypal claim for item not received as described and request a refund. If he complies, then and ONLY then should you send the card back. Nothing would be worse than sending the card back and having him give you a big middle finger and keeping your money with no recourse.

Also, as stated earlier, regardless of the circumstances NEVER write such an unpleasant E-mail to start communication. I had a seller send me the wrong item that I received on Monday - stupid mistake, but I E-mailed him politely explaining the situation. He immediately apologized and I received the correct card today, only two days later. Had I started by saying "Your head must be so far up your ass you can see your lungs!" there's little to no chance he tries to work with me. Just a suggestion.

 

[70Chip]

First off, your email was immature and should have been more "professional" to set a mature tone for the upcoming conversation. If what you quoted was his entire response, I am very surprised he responded as courteously as he did.

You have 2 options A. or B.

A. Keep the card, email him advising of your decision to keep the card, add him to your BBL (blocked bidder list) and move on.

B. Open a claim with Paypal, get your full money back and return the card.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope you have the Kuhanas to leave the appropriate NEGATIVE feedback and 1's on the DSR's.

Let me write it for you:

BEWARE: Card arrived damaged & charged for Priority shipping. Card sent in a PWE.

Just highlight, copy and paste.

Look at this sellers other crap up right now, this gave me a good laugh. It's amazing what people try to sell on Fleabay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/upperdeck-legen...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a55e316d

 

[des1984]

First off, your email was immature and should have been more "professional" to set a mature tone for the upcoming conversation. If what you quoted was his entire response, I am very surprised he responded as courteously as he did.

You have 2 options A. or B.

A. Keep the card, email him advising of your decision to keep the card, add him to your BBL (blocked bidder list) and move on.

B. Open a claim with Paypal, get your full money back and return the card.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope you have the Kuhanas to leave the appropriate NEGATIVE feedback and 1's on the DSR's.

Let me write it for you:

BEWARE: Card arrived damaged & charged for Priority shipping. Card sent in a PWE.

Just highlight, copy and paste.

Look at this sellers other crap up right now, this gave me a good laugh. It's amazing what people try to sell on Fleabay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/upperdeck-legen...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a55e316d

You're absolutely right. I think I was in utter shock getting the card the way I did and that probably prompted the response. I should of taken a second to cool off. You definitely get a better response when approaching it in a manner different than what I did.

However, I don't understand the Kuhanas statement. I am and will leave negative feedback. It's deserved and it will enlighten other buyers of his tactics. I should of done a better job of reading his feedback but saw the 100% and assumed if someone had an issue with his selling tactics, they would provide the same sort of feedback I plan on giving.

In regards to shipment that a few others have questioned, to be honest, I didn't look at the stamp to see if it was mailed priority but I think it would of stuck out at me if done so. All I saw was a PWE with a delivery confirmation (green) sticker attached. Can you mail dc and not get priority?

 

[HPC]

First off, your email was immature and should have been more "professional" to set a mature tone for the upcoming conversation. If what you quoted was his entire response, I am very surprised he responded as courteously as he did.

You have 2 options A. or B.

A. Keep the card, email him advising of your decision to keep the card, add him to your BBL (blocked bidder list) and move on.

B. Open a claim with Paypal, get your full money back and return the card.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope you have the Kuhanas to leave the appropriate NEGATIVE feedback and 1's on the DSR's.

Let me write it for you:

BEWARE: Card arrived damaged & charged for Priority shipping. Card sent in a PWE.

Just highlight, copy and paste.

Look at this sellers other crap up right now, this gave me a good laugh. It's amazing what people try to sell on Fleabay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/upperdeck-legen...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a55e316d

You're absolutely right. I think I was in utter shock getting the card the way I did and that probably prompted the response. I should of taken a second to cool off. You definitely get a better response when approaching it in a manner different than what I did.

However, I don't understand the Kuhanas statement. I am and will leave negative feedback. It's deserved and it will enlighten other buyers of his tactics. I should of done a better job of reading his feedback but saw the 100% and assumed if someone had an issue with his selling tactics, they would provide the same sort of feedback I plan on giving.

In regards to shipment that a few others have questioned, to be honest, I didn't look at the stamp to see if it was mailed priority but I think it would of stuck out at me if done so. All I saw was a PWE with a delivery confirmation (green) sticker attached. Can you mail dc and not get priority?

We all live and learn.

I dont think anyone is flaming you, but just pointing out that communication could've been better, and you definitely showed here that you understand where people are coming from when saying you could've emailed him better, which is cool.

Yes, you can send with DC and not use priority shipping.

It all boils down to preference really, if you want your money back, open the claim. If you can live with the card and there was no or little to no damage and you are cool with that, drop a neg and let people know.

I think either way you will be happy

 

[pigskincardboard]

Here's my problem, from the alternate perspective:

No promises or assurances were stated regarding the card's condition. A picture of the card was snapped that showed almost no detail of the cards corners.

In this case, you and paypal have zero recourse. Paypal will get you your money back, but more than likely in an illegal fashion.
As the buyer, you're responsible for ascertaining the quality of the card.

There's no fraud on the seller's part, if you received the item. Paypal tries to get around this by saying "significantly as not described," which doesn't cover small nicks and rounding.

There's nothing that says the seller even has to offer you a refund. The contract is completed upon your receipt of the item, and the burden of proof is upon you to prove that the seller mislead you. It's tough to prove that the cards corners were rounded (unless brutally so) by the mail. If the card had a gigantic crease in it, one that wasn't in the scan, then you'd have recourse.

With that said, almost every reputable seller/company offers a refund/exchange policy and will eat the loss, but they're not obligated to.

The sale of cards on eBay is a headache waiting to happen from a legal perspective.

 

[RL24]

The sale of cards on eBay is a headache waiting to happen from a legal perspective.

A little common sense can go a long way. Everybody knows that you need to use a toploader when shipping a card. EVERYBODY!

 

[70Chip]

Des, my post was not to flame you at all. In fact, I am 100% on your side in this particular matter. What I meant by using the word kuhanas is that a lot of Ebayers are hesitant or scared to leave appropriate feedback and to a certain extent it does take a certain amount of courage to make other people aware of bad sellers antics. Too often bad sellers antics are just swept under the rug.

 

[pigskincardboard]

The sale of cards on eBay is a headache waiting to happen from a legal perspective.

A little common sense can go a long way. Everybody knows that you need to use a toploader when shipping a card. EVERYBODY!

I got a card without a penny sleeve the other day, :/

People should ship in Toploaders, and I get pretty cheesed when they dont, but it's not imperative. I've gotten a couple cards that've shown up in great condition without a toploader.

A seller should definitely make the buyer aware of his shipping procedures though. Most people would pay the extra 25 cents to assure safe transit.

 

[hive17]

If you're keeping the card, and there was no description given, you shouldn't get a refund except for the difference because he ****** you on the "priority" vs. "PWE" thing.

If you want your money back, you have to send the card back. That's pretty cut-and-dry.

You can leave a negative because you think the card was jacked up based on the way it was shipped, but you shouldn't get any more than a few bucks back if you're keeping the card.

I'm NOT saying you're doing this, but it seems like, in your original email, that you wanted a partial refund for something that you recieved and aren't happy with. I'm NEVER cool with that, because it sets a bad tone for ****** buyers to **** you over and get a cheap card even cheaper. That type of request is first-cousins with "buyer's remorse".

I'd also like to see YOUR scan of the card so we can compare it to the eBay one.

Bottom line: you can have the card and maybe $3 shipping difference and give him a neg, OR you can send the card back and get your money back; you can't have a little of both.