AQUEOUS

[shayscards79]

I see they sell half way decent for the better players. Even if you bought a fake though, can't imagine it'd be the end of the world.

I had no idea there were so many topps football rookie premier auto fakes out there until after I bought a Reggie Wayne fake for $80. Talk about feeling sick when you make the comparisons and find out afterward. But instead of being an ******* and relisting it, I buried it in a junk box.

 

[predatorkj]

So clear this up...what's real and what's not. How do you spot the real deal?

 

[RAZOR-Z]

I took your cards and overlapped the one and faded down the color and lined up the grid with stats in it perfectly. The Aqueous is not stamped, it's part of the original print
so it *should be consistent on all of the cards. >That's what I was told a few years ago< Good thing I said 99% - Sorry about that. Do you know what I'm saying though?

 

[ronfromfresno]

As I promised earlier here are the scans of the nine Thompson's I own. I apologize for the large scans.
The placement of the Aqueous Test printing is the same for all nine, and the one listed on Ebay looks to be the same. Also, each of the cards show the same cut pattern, hand cut or not, as the one listed. So I would assume the one listed is legit.

And all of the nine together:

 

[RAZOR-Z]

Thanks for posting the scans - It's hard to tell with them being so close to each other, but can you see if they have any of the crooked or "hand cut" type of edges on them? I see one that looks a little rough - Thanks again!

 

[Gwynn545]

I took your cards and overlapped the one and faded down the color and lined up the grid with stats in it perfectly. The Aqueous is not stamped, it's part of the original print
so it *should be consistent on all of the cards. >That's what I was told a few years ago< Good thing I said 99% - Sorry about that. Do you know what I'm saying though?

Nice work!!! I do know what you are saying. (you did scare me, though! ) That's has got to be a huge clue as to what's real and what's not. We can assume, then, that every card of the same kind should be lined up perfectly. Every BC-4 would be the same as my BC-4, and every #86 would be the same as my #86. I would think also that you would be able to see easilly with even a medium powered microscope or lens if the "Aqueous Test" was put on later. (I checked mine and they are identical, one of which was PSA slabbed, for what that's worth...) Also, the missing Dot after Leaf, Inc would be a clue as far as I know.

 

[RAZOR-Z]

Dude, they're two different cards....One is #86, one is BC-4...Nice try, though.

I was told EVERY aqueous card has the printing prearranged to the "grid" where the stats are printed - That's what I was looking my - my bad.

So maybe they printed the "special" Diamond King cards and others afterwards and they are slightly different - Where is the "Aqueous Expert"?

*Well what's scary too is I read somewhere that there are cards that came out of early factory sets with no Dot after the Leaf. -Also Scary-

 

[Gwynn545]

I was told EVERY aqueous card has the printing prearranged to the "grid" where the stats are printed - That's what I was looking my - my bad.
Could there still be something to what I'm saying?

Could be...if that's the case then the guy with all of those currently listed has a mixing of fakes and reals...or they are all fakes with some lucky placements....

 

[ronfromfresno]

Thanks for posting the scans - It's hard to tell with them being so close to each other, but can you see if they have any of the crooked or "hand cut" type of edges on them? I see one that looks a little rough - Thanks again!

They all seem machine cut, some rougher than others from handling by previous owners. Most have some level of wear on the corners.

 

[BunchOBull]

On phone, quick reply; these are notorious for diamond cuts. Also, the font of aqueous test should b be consistent no matter the card #, but the placement varies between cards. Sometimes the text beneath "aqueous test" is visable, doesn't mean fake necessarily. And yes, it should be part of the print, not a stamp. Both Gwynns are fine.

 

[morgoth]

The placement of my Drabek varies from my Smiley and they both are PSA graded and mising the dot.

 

[RAZOR-Z]

Still waiting for a Jim Deshaies to pop up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jim-Deshaie...US_Baseball&hash=item35bcedcd85#ht_500wt_1184

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jim-Deshaie...0816984802?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item35bdc3aee2

Looks like someone had one and re-listed it recently - Did you see that one?

 

[allstars]

Wtf is an aqueous **** anyways?

 

[RITM]

Beckett is not the final authority on everything. Several years ago they interviewed me for an article about Cal's minor league cards that coincided with his induction in the HOF. Leading up to the article I had been in talks with them about their inaccuracies with the 1980 WBTV set. They have always cited the card as W3TV. In the interview they changed my WBTV references to W3TV. While I am flattered to be included, what was intended as a clarification article only added to confusion.

 

[Mozzie22]

If I remember correctly the word "Aqueous" actually refers to an experimental coating that was placed on the front of the cards. I guess Donruss was experimenting with a new glossy coating.

 

[tunahead]

My twins:

 

[RAZOR-Z]

My twins:

Pretty lucky to have 2 of those cards! -
He mentioned he will be listing a few of the blue/whites prototypes as well! - Like the CRJ in your Avatar <

 

[TNP777]

I'm anxiously waiting for more to be listed. I'd love to send one in for grading to go along with my raw one.

 

[BunchOBull]

Aqueous refers to water-based printing solvents Donruss was testing versus their traditional toxic solvents.

 

[ronfromfresno]

Anyone win the Robby Thompson? I lost out on the card, my three kids were sick all night long and I completely spaced on increasing my bid. If someone here did win the aution I'm willing to double the price to obtain the card. Thanks.

Also did anyone win their player from the seller, I noticed that he has listed a few more in the last couple of days.