Are any of these guys Hall-worthy

[scotty216brs]

None of the above.


Lofton and Clark are close, but not quite there. Cone is the best of the pitchers but again, don't see him as a HOFer.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I will let the cat out of the bag. All of these guys were off the ballot after their first season of eligibility with under 5%. So while although they may not be Hall-worthy at first glance, at least a few of them are deserving of more than 1 year of eligibility. All of these guys have a career WAR over 50 (minus Wells who was close) with Lofton having an exceptional 68.1. Maybe at least a couple of them can get in with the Veterans Committee, but it's a travesty that guys like Lofton, Clark, Cone, Ventura (one of the most underrated overall 3rd basemen of all-time) and possibly others didn't even garner 5% and only had one season of eligibility.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

I will let the cat out of the bag. All of these guys were off the ballot after their first season of eligibility with under 5%. So while although they may not be Hall-worthy at first glance, at least a few of them are deserving of more than 1 year of eligibility. All of these guys have a career WAR over 50, with Lofton having an exceptional 68.1. Maybe at least a couple of them can get in with the Veterans Committee, but it's a travesty that guys like Lofton, Clark, Cone, Ventura (one of the most underrated 3rd basemen of all-time) and possibly others didn't even garner 5% and only had one season of eligibility.

I never expected Clark to make it, too many injuries hurt his #s to make them HOF. But yeah I was def surprised by how low his % was.

Ryan

 

[sportscardtheory]

I never expected Clark to make it, too many injuries hurt his #s to make them HOF. But yeah I was def surprised by how low his % was.

Ryan

Clark, IMO, should have been one of the "Fame"/integrity/class exceptions. He was one of the most popular players in the game and left on a high note statistically, ala Mussina (who I believe will eventually get in), and his per-162 game averages were excellent while being a great defender. I think he will get some love from the Veterans Committee. Lofton is the biggest mistake in my opinion. He is one of the best defensive centerfielders/base stealers of all-time and his WAR shows that.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

Clark, to me, should have been one of the "Fame"/integrity/class exceptions. He was one of the most popular players in the game and left on a high note statistically, ala Mussina (who I believe will eventually get in), and his per-162 game averages were excellent while being a great defender. I think he will get some love from the Veterans Committee. Lofton is the biggest mistake in my opinion. He is one of the best defensive centerfielders/base stealers of all-time and his WAR shows that.

I hear ya, that's why I was surprised at the % vs the getting in. But I think he fell 70 hrs n 250 RBIs short from real consideration (.300/350/1500)

Ryan

 

[sportscardtheory]

I hear ya, that's why I was surprised at the % vs the getting in. But I think he fell 70 hrs n 250 RBIs short from real consideration (.300/350/1500)

Ryan

I always wondered why he retired when he was still raking. .418 OBP with a .964 OPS (his highest ever!) in his final season??? Come on Thrill, don't hang it up just yet! lol

 

[RStadlerASU22]

I always wondered why he retired when he was still raking. .418 OBP with a .964 OPS (his highest ever!) in his final season??? Come on Thrill, don't hang it up just yet! lol

My guess is he didn't want to move teams again. Pujols was coming, and I think getting out of Baltimore to STL rejuvenated him but he didn't want to change again. But the way he went out that last half after he filled in for Mac was fun to watch him back to form

Ryan

Ryan

 

[MansGame]

WAR is great but years played is a major factor in the calculation, but maybe thats the point an it rewards longevity? Someone could have a WAR of 30 and you'd be like "sucks" but what if the player only played 3 years, then that'd be a WAR of 10/year and an amazing stretch actually.

Just my thoughts. Curious what others more familiar with it say.


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[RogerMarisCollector61]

None are close in my mind except Lofton who is borderline, but I wouldn't vote for him.

 

[lambert58]

I say no to all as well. Some players that I actually loved watching play but I loved watching Graig Nettles play for the Yankees as well and that just doesn't make someone a HOFer.

 

[matfanofold]

Clark, IMO, should have been one of the "Fame"/integrity/class exceptions....

I somewhat agree with this. A class act and a true talent. If he only had a bit more power, or nailed down that elusive MVP, or earned some accolades his last 6 or so years. If he just had that little extra something I think he might have gotten in, or at the very least some serious consideration.

 

[nosterbor]

None As for the stat WAR, That is a joke!

avg=.318 HR=45 RBI= 157 2B=50 SLUG= .630 OPS=.997

The player above had a WAR of 4.9 so if that player was not on the team, that team would have only lost 4.9 games more. That's a joke!

 

[MansGame]

None As for the stat WAR, That is a joke!

avg=.318 HR=45 RBI= 157 2B=50 SLUG= .630 OPS=.997

The player above had a WAR of 4.9 so if that player was not on the team, that team would have only lost 4.9 games more. That's a joke!

My understanding is a 5 WAR is good for a single season? I thought I read that a 7 WAR for a single season is like HOF material.

Anyways, who is your example?

I looked and Belle has a career WAR of like 40 but he officially only played 12 years. Again, years plays into that.


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[nosterbor]

Gonzalez. He has a war of 38.5

 

[MansGame]

Gonzalez. He has a war of 38.5

Belle is about that too


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