Assuming Scott Feldman wins today, is he AL Cy Young?

[aw00d05]

I've watched him pitch a couple times. He's got a great sinker and a great cutter to go along with okay slider and curve. Sinker and cutter are two deceptive types of fastballs. If you have them both and are your 1-2 pitches, it's gotta be tough on the batter trying to decipher which direction the ball is going, in and down or out (to a RHB).

agreed. not the best guy in the league right now, but he has been pitching his heart out and when you have 2 great pitches with movement youre going to do great things... he should just keep his eye on the big prize and not get caught up in CY and other awards.
only thing that makes me wonder is why he had trouble the last 2 years.. Im guessing those pitches hang up in the zone instead of move every now and then.


right now his era is a hole 1.1 higher than felix so no CY

The reason he and other Rangers pitchers don't blow (for the most part CJ Wilson doesn't fall into this because we'd be 1st in the AL West without him) is Nolan Ryan telling them to just throw strikes and let the defense do their thing since they don't suck like usual and Mike Maddux helping the guys get new pitches/improving old pitches. I never had hope in Feldman until maybe 2 months ago, and now I think he's our ace and what he does on the road (11-1 I believe) is amazing.

 

[markakis8]

You call my statement uniformed and ridiculous?

In his last 6 starts: 38.1 IP 39 H 29 ER 14 HR 9 BB 37 K's

My point was saying he's not in the running anymore b/c of all the home runs he's given up as of late. It is far too great of a number to ignore. Hey if he throws 3-4 outings of no run ball, he may get back in the running...

While he may no longer be in the Cy discussion, please do not make uninformed ridiculous statements with no factual/statistical backing....

 

[aw00d05]

You call my statement uniformed and ridiculous?

In his last 6 starts: 38.1 IP 39 H 29 ER 14 HR 9 BB 37 K's

My point was saying he's not in the running anymore b/c of all the home runs he's given up as of late. It is far too great of a number to ignore. Hey if he throws 3-4 outings of no run ball, he may get back in the running...

While he may no longer be in the Cy discussion, please do not make uninformed ridiculous statements with no factual/statistical backing....

If he wins the most games in the AL Beckett will win, fair and simple, Feldman won't because nobody knows who he is at ESPN other than Buck.

 

[Frow]

No chance it's Greinke. Team is too terrible for him to get serious consideration in my opinion. Is it fair? No. But is it reality? Yes.

I am amazed at how many people get sucked into the "the team is too terrible" trap, when it comes to MVP and CY YOUNG awards


Lincecum won CY in 2008. SF was terrible.

Arod won MVP in 2003. TEX was awful.

Because it's usually true. For every one player that manages to squeak out an award on a bad team you'll have 10 guys that won it over more deserving players on great teams. The 2003 Arod was playing a non power position and ended up hitting nearly 50 home runs and it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to believe he won it because 6 first place votes were scattered among 3 Boston players. In that voting 11 of the 27 people that received votes were either from Boston or the NY Yankees and only 5 people in the league were even considered for the MVP from teams that ranked 3rd or lower.

 

[markakis8]

Why does everyone keep making statements like this? Give the voters a little credit. Brandon Webb won 22 games last year and lost to an 18 game winner.

I don't think Feldman is going to win but Beckett could win 6 straight to 20 and still not win. Especially the way Verlander, Felix, and Greinke are pitching.

If he wins the most games in the AL Beckett will win, fair and simple, Feldman won't because nobody knows who he is at ESPN other than Buck.

 

[UMich92]

Feldman is in the team picture for the Cy, but he's not going to be standing on the podium. Right now, it's Greinke followed by some combination of Hernandez, Sabathia, and Verlander. By the way, team performance seems to affect MVP voting more than the Cy.

Alex

 

[vwnut13]

Oh, and don't mention the beach-ball throwing Beckett in Cy Young discussion again. That guy is giving up more home runs that then Duggar family has kids.

While he may no longer be in the Cy discussion, please do not make uninformed ridiculous statements with no factual/statistical backing....

Yes, it is true! the Duggars only have 18 kids and one on the way, meanwhile, Josh Beckett has given up 24 homeruns.

How about that for "factual/statistical backing."

 

[nborton]

Feldman is in the team picture for the Cy, but he's not going to be standing on the podium. Right now, it's Greinke followed by some combination of Hernandez, Sabathia, and Verlander. By the way, team performance seems to affect MVP voting more than the Cy.

Alex

Team performance doesn't matter as much, but they do love the 20 win plateau. Greinke is going to get some voters not voting for him just on that. Which, like most people on here, I think is pretty stupid. As much as I'd like to see Verlander win it, I don't think it's going to happen. If Greinke doesn't get it, it will be CC even if Verlander has the same stats or slightly better. I'd be shocked to see a non-Yankee win an award in which the stats are basically the same.

 

[1995BBRefractorGuy]

not a chance in heck...

 

[Jays_Cards]

You call my statement uniformed and ridiculous?

In his last 6 starts: 38.1 IP 39 H 29 ER 14 HR 9 BB 37 K's

My point was saying he's not in the running anymore b/c of all the home runs he's given up as of late. It is far too great of a number to ignore. Hey if he throws 3-4 outings of no run ball, he may get back in the running...

While he may no longer be in the Cy discussion, please do not make uninformed ridiculous statements with no factual/statistical backing....

Obviously he has not been good as of late (he was MUCH better in his last start), but the Cy is a season long award. It is not based on 4 starts. I also reiterated that he is no longer in the running in my original post, be he is still a MUCH better choice than Feldman, all starts considered.

 

[donrusscrusademan]

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

 

[markakis8]

a many cy young winners/candidates have season like this. don't count him out. he's out in front. I would say the top four right now in NO PARTICULAR order are: Felix, Greinke, CC, and Verlander. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

 

[Frow]

. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

I could see Halladay getting some run, especially since he really got his name out there during the trade deadline, but Edwin Jackson? I mean I guess you could make an argument for Feldman. His win total and percentage are sexy, but that's really the only thing going for Feldman, and Jackson doesn't even have that. There's really nothing extrodinary about either player other than if you compare them to themselves last year. They aren't even in the top 10 for most pitching categories.

 

[markakis8]

I'm not sure what last year has anything to do with what they are doing now.

. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

I could see Halladay getting some run, especially since he really got his name out there during the trade deadline, but Edwin Jackson? I mean I guess you could make an argument for Feldman. His win total and percentage are sexy, but that's really the only thing going for Feldman, and Jackson doesn't even have that. There's really nothing extrodinary about either player other than if you compare them to themselves last year. They aren't even in the top 10 for most pitching categories.

 

[nborton]

. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

I could see Halladay getting some run, especially since he really got his name out there during the trade deadline, but Edwin Jackson? I mean I guess you could make an argument for Feldman. His win total and percentage are sexy, but that's really the only thing going for Feldman, and Jackson doesn't even have that. There's really nothing extrodinary about either player other than if you compare them to themselves last year. They aren't even in the top 10 for most pitching categories.

Jackson has been screwed as far as wins go. He's basically pitched as well as Verlander without the Ks and run support. He's had 7 games this year where he has given up 2 runs or less and either lost or got a ND.

No way is he in the discussion, but Jackson basically has the same issue as Greinke (Greinke has 8 games). His wins don't follow his performance.

Edit: Just out of curiosity I looked up Verlander's too. He's had 5 games of 2 runs or less, and a loss or ND. It's crazy to think he could already have 20 wins.

 

[ballerskrip]

Feldman has been VERY IMPRESSIVE. He is one of the main reasons the Rangers are still in the race. I will be interested to see where he ends up in this race if he goes 3-1 or 4-0 down the stretch ending at 19-5 or 20-4....

He would have to be in the top 3 I think.

Skrip

 

[Frow]

I'm not sure what last year has anything to do with what they are doing now.

. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

I could see Halladay getting some run, especially since he really got his name out there during the trade deadline, but Edwin Jackson? I mean I guess you could make an argument for Feldman. His win total and percentage are sexy, but that's really the only thing going for Feldman, and Jackson doesn't even have that. There's really nothing extrodinary about either player other than if you compare them to themselves last year. They aren't even in the top 10 for most pitching categories.

I was just wondering why Jackson and Feldman should have any mention seeing as the only way they look impressive at all (in the scope of the discussion) is compared to their own numbers from last year. Both have made great strides in their careers, but compared to anyone in serious discussion for the Cy, both are extremly lacking.

 

[braden]

Remember, to correctly predict who's gonna win the Cy, you've gotta think like a sportswriter. So dumb yourself down a dozen notches, look at the Wins and ERA columns, make a few snide remarks about VORP and WHIP, think a bit about how pitchers were better in the old days, and then mail in your ballot.


All that said, I think the BBWAA may just make the right call this year and give it to Grienke. His outstanding run at the beginning of the year made news and that just might stick in some of these dinosaurs' brains long enough to give it to him despite what may be a low win total. Here's hoping, anyway.

 

[All The Hype]

I'm not sure what last year has anything to do with what they are doing now.

. It's any man's game with those four right now...Feldman, Halladay, and Edwin Jackson deserve some looks...

last night was a great example of how felix is going to have a hard time winning if its all about wins...

7 IP, 1 ER... ND.
he can keep lowering his era but the east coast guys could screw him.. I wouldnt be surprised

I could see Halladay getting some run, especially since he really got his name out there during the trade deadline, but Edwin Jackson? I mean I guess you could make an argument for Feldman. His win total and percentage are sexy, but that's really the only thing going for Feldman, and Jackson doesn't even have that. There's really nothing extrodinary about either player other than if you compare them to themselves last year. They aren't even in the top 10 for most pitching categories.

I was just wondering why Jackson and Feldman should have any mention seeing as the only way they look impressive at all (in the scope of the discussion) is compared to their own numbers from last year. Both have made great strides in their careers, but compared to anyone in serious discussion for the Cy, both are extremly lacking.

Having watched Jackson pitch this year, he should probably have 3-5 more wins than he does. He hasn't been completely dominant, but he has been better than his numbers indicate. I still would not vote for him, but he's probably a top 5 or at least top 7 guy in my book.