BA PROSPECT HOT SHEET - 7/10

[AKA Coastal]

How is ceiling determined? When do you know they've reached it?

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="jbone17":d8m26zqr][quote="Jaypers":d8m26zqr]One of my aliases made it.


Michael Taylor (Reading): You guys are REALLY hard to predict. I absolutely raked the week before last, got robbed of a Hot Sheet appearance because of the "holiday version", but didn't do quite as well this past week and as a result, I missed my chance. Would you call me Philly's #1 overall prospect at this point, or does Dom Brown still own that title?

J.J. Cooper: I'd still go with Brown because of the age difference (Brown is two years younger), Brown's better speed and better defense in right. But it's nitpicking as both are among the top 25 prospects in baseball.

This is why B.A. sucks. How can Cooper look people in the face and tell you that a guy on the DL is better than a man with production? Taylor is your number one hands down.

So, basically your line of thinking is if Albert Pujols went on the DL annd
Mark DeRosa starts to rake, then obviously Mark DeRosa is better than Ablert Pujols.

That is not what I am saying. It is different when you are talking about major leaguers. Do you think I am stupid or something lol. That is not even a fair comparison because Pujols is a star and Derosa is a utility type player. Taylor is a prospect who has done nothing but mash the ball. I love Dominic Brown don't get me wrong, but it is what he could be. Ceiling over production when you are talking about minor leaguers is overrated.

First, my comment was sarcasm, I was just exagerating a lame reason for Taylor being better than Brown. Do you seem to forget that before Brown went on the DL he was absolutley raking, hitting around .330 and with an Isolated power of .241 and improving pretty much every aspect of his game in the Florida State League no less. Michael Taylor has also raked this year, but for Brown to be 2 years younger and have a higher ceiling than Taylor, you can see why BA is giving the edge to Brown.

Just curious, who originally interpretted M.Taylor's "ceiling"??? If you're going by what BA came up with as his initial ceiling then that isn't saying much given that they themselves have admitted they were skeptical of Taylor from the get-go (Taylor's already surpassed that of the ceiling that BA established for him by leading the AA Eastern league in overall offense; and BA didn't think Taylor would produce in AA as he did in High-A yet he's IMPROVED in almost EVERY ASPECT of the game)!
When it comes down to it, Michael Taylor IS D.Brown's ceiling for potential & production (Brown hasn't been better than Taylor at Low-A nor Hi-A, & BA's only excuse to cover thier arse on them blowing the call on thier ranking's & speculation of the 2 prospect's is age difference...which IMO is rather shallow)! [/quote:d8m26zqr]


Man, some folks are so hard headed or dont really understand how ceiling is determined.


Dominic Brown has played fewer games at High A when compared with Michael Taylor. Looking at the numbers, they are pretty much the same. Michael Taylor has played alot more baseball than Dominic Brown including MAJOR college baseball at Stanford. Dominic Brown was a football player on his way to Miami when the SAT's got in the way.

Dominic Brown is considered the better prospect beecause he's younger and still developing. Like i've said several times, this is not a slam of Taylor.[/quote:d8m26zqr]

As AKA asks above, how is ceiling determined "oh wise one of prospecting"? :|

 

[cgilmo]

There are way too many factors involved to get into a detailed analysis of how ceiling is determined.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

There are way too many factors involved to get into a detailed analysis of how ceiling is determined.

I am fully aware of this but what I am getting at here is how is it that D.Brown's still ascending to his ceiling & yet M.Taylor is not? Because I'm wanting to understand the thought process that allows Taylor to be plateaued even though each level/class he's played in he's gotten that much better, so why isn't Taylor's potential ceiling considered that much higher (especially since he's already surpassed the ceiling that was set before him by the "expert's" at BA)...I mean, is Taylor not still "developing"? It just doesn't make sense in claiming that one's ceiling is higher than the other when Taylor has shown nothing but progress & a higher level of production at each passing level; & is in a higher & pivotal level such as AA.....

Edit: the reason I am only using BA in my discussion is because that site is so prevelant abound & on this board (it seems as if many consider them the "authority", & though I do not I do follow thier ranking's to a point because that is where the $$ is at when selling.

 

[cgilmo]

well, BA is a useful tool


if you had of used them, you would not have bought up Mitch Adkins. Stats lie, scouts eye is far more accurate. BA gives us a good indication of what scouts are saying combined with what other trained eyes see happening.

Part of the reason Dominic Brown's ceiling is higher than Taylors is his athleticism. Taylor is a bit of a one dimensional player, and if the power does not carry over to the majors, he has nothing else to rely on. Dominic can fill a variety of roles.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Taylor is a bit of a one dimensional player, and if the power does not carry over to the majors, he has nothing else to rely on. Dominic can fill a variety of roles.

C'mon Chris, are you being serious? Taylor is one of the best pure hitter's in AA (if not the entire minor league).... as a matter of fact, he's been given flack for NOT hitting for as much power as he should be trying for because Taylor believes that hitting for average is so instrumental in the game of baseball! I guess you have not followed Taylor too closely(?) but that is okay as I'm sure I would make mistakes if I tried to analyze Freeman. I do agree that BA is an important tool & that I did not listen to them in the case of Atkins (I saw an opportunity as I know "W's" sell's card's, but I held too long & got greedy....And I admit, my own poor judgement caused that folly! ::facepalm:: :lol:
As for "athleticism", Brown may have a leg-up on Taylor but Taylor is no slouch by any means when discussing the tool's that are instrumental in the game of baseball! As I've stated before, he's got a plus arm in the OF (probably better than plus) & has truly shown some defensive gems while playing in the OF....not to mention his speed & agility he shows on the basepath's!

 

[Jaypers]

Taylor is a bit of a one dimensional player, and if the power does not carry over to the majors, he has nothing else to rely on. Dominic can fill a variety of roles.

Sorry Chris, but I can't back you up there. How many 6-foot-6, 250 pounders do you know that have stolen 17 bases in one half-season, including three in one game?

Taylor has been a jack-of-all-trades thus far. Nothing one-dimensional about him.

 

[bradical]

Taylor is a bit of a one dimensional player, and if the power does not carry over to the majors, he has nothing else to rely on. Dominic can fill a variety of roles.

Sorry Chris, but I can't back you up there. How many 6-foot-6, 250 pounders do you know that have stolen 17 bases in one half-season, including three in one game?

Taylor has been a jack-of-all-trades thus far. Nothing one-dimensional about him.

Bill Brasky.

 

[jbone17]

Taylor is a bit of a one dimensional player, and if the power does not carry over to the majors, he has nothing else to rely on. Dominic can fill a variety of roles.

Sorry Chris, but I can't back you up there. How many 6-foot-6, 250 pounders do you know that have stolen 17 bases in one half-season, including three in one game?

Taylor has been a jack-of-all-trades thus far. Nothing one-dimensional about him.

Bill Brasky.

Really. :?