BA's 2009 Top 100 Prospects List

[darocker80]

Alderson is too low, should have cracked top 25...i am dissapointed in bumgarners ranking

 

[thefasterblade]

Alderson is too low, should have cracked top 25...i am dissapointed in bumgarners ranking

I don't think Alderson is too low at all. Hes just right to me.

 

[Wes]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":1j85qxuh]

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":1j85qxuh]

Ahhh we shall see what comes of Bumgarner..... he still was in Class A, and this year will make him or break him as a buddy of mine said.

We will see if he can put up those nasty numbers all through the system.... my Bum aflac should be in today .

I don't need the approval of some guy's list to know that Porcello will be a staff ace someday.

Shep :ugeek:

Just because he's ranked 21st doesn't mean that they don't think he will be a staff ace. I personally believe he is a top 5 guy (or at least top 10), but BA apparently wanted to have some other guys in front of him.

I think of it this way - if there were a draft of all minor league players regardless of salaries how would it go?

Yeah that's a great way to look at it. Don't think Porcello would last until pick #21 though

How many of them would he jump though? Which guys? I think #21 is pretty fair.[/quote:1j85qxuh]


Well it depends if we're going by ceiling or past numbers. I'll assume ceiling...

Porcello's ceiling is somewhere around the kind of season Tim Lincecum had in 2008, as an all-star, a staff ace, and a Cy Young Award winner. It's a very similar ceiling to David Price, although they come from completely different backgrounds as Price was a college pitcher while Porcello was drafted out of HS, etc. But if that is true, you could argue that he would only be a spot or three behind Price, jumping him into the top 5 or 6.

Honestly some of these guys are toss-ups. Would you rather have Porcello or Heyward if they reach their ceiling? A guy that's almost a guaranteed win every 5th game for your team, or a guy who will bat third and hit 40 homeruns and possibly steal 30-40 bases?[/quote:1j85qxuh]

I think you go by whatever you want - Which guys does Porcello jump? I'd still take Hanson, Bumgarner and Cahill over him. Keep in mind 5 spots is pretty meaningless in the scheme of things.

 

[darocker80]

Re: BA's Top 100 today right?

This list is making me laugh more and more every year..... Rick Porcello at #21 is complete BS.

And Rasmus still around in top 5 is embarassing..... The kid was supposed to debut like what 3 yrs ago and continues to put up lowsy numbers for a top 5 prospect.

Feliz/Anderson- Pitcher/Bumgarner above Porcello is a joke really.....

Bumgarner dominated Low A last year.... woooo hooooo!!! he used basically 1 pitch and blew away class A hitters with the heater, from what I gather he does not have one good secondary pitch.... and if they believe a fast ball i gonna cut it with major league players they are very very wrong.

Shep :ugeek:

Bumgarner has made some big progress with his secondary stuff from what I hear. And any LEFT HANDED pitcher who can throw upper-90s has huge potential in the big leagues. Not to mention he could not have had a better season in 2008. He's the only one of the guys that I can see being ahead of Porcello. Not based on ceiling, but based on actual numbers.

Sheph...porcello only had one season in A+ ball and had good ERA numbers...but was dominated...bumgarner won the triple crown and dominated and used more than one pitcher...don't comment and talk down on a prospect you don't know much about.

Darock :ugeek:

 

[Wes]

I would move Wallace way up.

 

[darocker80]

Alderson is too low, should have cracked top 25...i am dissapointed in bumgarners ranking

I don't think Alderson is too low at all. Hes just right to me.

He had the lowest ERA in the CAL League, a hitters league, had great ERA, K numbers and wins, not saying i'd put him over those top guys, but he has to be in the top 25, not top 45

 

[Wes]

Alderson is too low, should have cracked top 25...i am dissapointed in bumgarners ranking

I don't think Alderson is too low at all. Hes just right to me.

He had the lowest ERA in the CAL League, a hitters league, had great ERA, K numbers and wins, not saying i'd put him over those top guys, but he has to be in the top 25, not top 45

I'd love to see your list of 20 guys that he surpasses.

 

[All The Hype]

I think you go by whatever you want - Which guys does Porcello jump? I'd still take Hanson, Bumgarner and Cahill over him. Keep in mind 5 spots is pretty meaningless in the scheme of things.

Yeah I don't think it matters all that much...each of the top 20 guys is supposed to turn into an MLB all-star someday..I'm just sayin I thought he should have been top 10.

I'll go into the pitchers of the top 20 a little bit here...

I personally think Anderson should have been in the teens.. I like Cahill and Feliz but I think Porcello is better. I would have had Porcello as either the third or fourth PITCHER on this list, behind Price and Hanson of course...and then IMO it's currently a toss up between Bumgarner and Porcello. I think they should both be higher though, maybe 5th and 6th or 6th and 7th in either order.

 

[zookerman182]

good list. Escobar and Gamel are right where they belong and they gave Lawrie tons of room to jump. Im ready for baseball!!!

 

[shephech]

Alderson is too low, should have cracked top 25...i am dissapointed in bumgarners ranking

I don't think Alderson is too low at all. Hes just right to me.

He had the lowest ERA in the CAL League, a hitters league, had great ERA, K numbers and wins, not saying i'd put him over those top guys, but he has to be in the top 25, not top 45

I'd love to see your list of 20 guys that he surpasses.

Well atleast your honest .

Shep :ugeek:

 

[darocker80]

Top pitchers:
1. David Price
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Tommy Hanson
4. Trevor Cahill
5. Brett Andrson
6. Rick Porcello
8. Jarrod Parker
9. Tim Alderson
10. Derek Holland
11. Nefatali Feliz
12.Chacin
13. Chris Tillman
14. Brian Matuz
15. Wade Davis

A few could be switched around but that is close to what i think the top prospects are at the top of my head based on staqts and ceiling.

 

[All The Hype]

BA's top 100 chat is starting now for anyone interested.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/chat.php?id=2009022401

 

[GAbballplayer148]

Top pitchers:
1. David Price
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Tommy Hanson
4. Trevor Cahill
5. Brett Andrson
6. Rick Porcello
8. Jarrod Parker
9. Tim Alderson
10. Derek Holland
11. Nefatali Feliz
12.Chacin
13. Chris Tillman
14. Brian Matuz
15. Wade Davis

A few could be switched around but that is close to what i think the top prospects are at the top of my head based on staqts and ceiling.

How can you even consider putting a pitcher other than Price ahead of Hanson?

 

[shephech]

Re: BA's Top 100 today right?

This list is making me laugh more and more every year..... Rick Porcello at #21 is complete BS.

And Rasmus still around in top 5 is embarassing..... The kid was supposed to debut like what 3 yrs ago and continues to put up lowsy numbers for a top 5 prospect.

Feliz/Anderson- Pitcher/Bumgarner above Porcello is a joke really.....

Bumgarner dominated Low A last year.... woooo hooooo!!! he used basically 1 pitch and blew away class A hitters with the heater, from what I gather he does not have one good secondary pitch.... and if they believe a fast ball i gonna cut it with major league players they are very very wrong.

Shep :ugeek:

Bumgarner has made some big progress with his secondary stuff from what I hear. And any LEFT HANDED pitcher who can throw upper-90s has huge potential in the big leagues. Not to mention he could not have had a better season in 2008. He's the only one of the guys that I can see being ahead of Porcello. Not based on ceiling, but based on actual numbers.

Sheph...porcello only had one season in A+ ball and had good ERA numbers...but was dominated...bumgarner won the triple crown and dominated and used more than one pitcher...don't comment and talk down on a prospect you don't know much about.

Darock :ugeek:

Easy now.... lol .

Yeah but Porcello came straight from High School did others you mentioned? And also Porcello was told not to use his curveball in his first season (Which is arguably his best pitch)

So yeah you can't compare Bum's and Porcello's numbers this year.... based on the things I just mentioned.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[ryanhoward06]

Top pitchers:
1. David Price
2. Madison Bumgarner
3. Tommy Hanson
4. Trevor Cahill
5. Brett Andrson
6. Rick Porcello
8. Jarrod Parker
9. Tim Alderson
10. Derek Holland
11. Nefatali Feliz
12.Chacin
13. Chris Tillman
14. Brian Matuz
15. Wade Davis

A few could be switched around but that is close to what i think the top prospects are at the top of my head based on staqts and ceiling.

Holland and more importantly Feliz should be above Alderson. Both are more advance.

 

[lordsepic]

A few observations for me:

I'm surprised Rasmus is #3. He's definitely top 10 though but I didnt expect him to be quite so high.

Travis Snider is about 15-20 spots too high. I'm not a fan of future DHs

Gordon Beckham is 10-20 spots too high as is Mike Stanton. Far too many question marks surrounding both now (position & Ks/long swing)

Porcello is much too low. He's in my top 5.

Pedro Alvarez is the only 08 draftees that can make a legit claim to being a better prospect than Tim Beckham. Timmy should be 10 spots higher

Derek Holland is at worst a top 20 prospect

I'm glad they gave Wade Davis some love at 32. Most under-appreciated pitching prospect there is.

Jhoulys Chacin at 46. Approximately where I predicted.

Michael Inoa is way too high for a 16 year old. Shouldn't even be top 100

Aaron Poreda is too high. Future reliever

Matt Dominguez is too low.

Brignac should be a little higher. He is easily a better prospect than Jason Donald, that is for sure.

I was surprised to see this prediction as he is currently receiving a lot of hype to be in the rotation and a future front end starter

 

[All The Hype]

Looks like Callis decided to basically throw out the 2008 season when ranking Rasmus. He's saying they ranked him so high because of what they think he can do at higher levels, not what he has done.

Q: JAYPERS from IL asks:
Very good list overall, kudos. However, I'm scratching my head as I see Rasmus at #3 overall. Let's recap - he struggled to bat over .200 for the first couple of months of the 2008 season, did finally improve, but after succombing to injury he put together what I wouldn't exactly call a mindblowing season, yet his ranking improved substantially since last year's Top 100. He's clearly the Cardinals' best prospect, and will have an excellent shot at making the team this season, but how do you justify his lofty ranking? Thanks.
A:

Jim Callis: He got off to a slow start as a 21-year-old in Triple-A, and I don't hold that against him. He was starting to hit as expected when he got hurt, and I still see him as a solid center fielder who's going to hit for power and average and draw a good amount of walks. His ranking also didn't improve substantially--he was No. 5 on last year's list and the four guys ahead of him all graduated from prospect status. I'll take him over any center field prospect in the game.

 

[darocker80]

Re: BA's Top 100 today right?

This list is making me laugh more and more every year..... Rick Porcello at #21 is complete BS.

And Rasmus still around in top 5 is embarassing..... The kid was supposed to debut like what 3 yrs ago and continues to put up lowsy numbers for a top 5 prospect.

Feliz/Anderson- Pitcher/Bumgarner above Porcello is a joke really.....

Bumgarner dominated Low A last year.... woooo hooooo!!! he used basically 1 pitch and blew away class A hitters with the heater, from what I gather he does not have one good secondary pitch.... and if they believe a fast ball i gonna cut it with major league players they are very very wrong.

Shep :ugeek:

Bumgarner has made some big progress with his secondary stuff from what I hear. And any LEFT HANDED pitcher who can throw upper-90s has huge potential in the big leagues. Not to mention he could not have had a better season in 2008. He's the only one of the guys that I can see being ahead of Porcello. Not based on ceiling, but based on actual numbers.

Sheph...porcello only had one season in A+ ball and had good ERA numbers...but was dominated...bumgarner won the triple crown and dominated and used more than one pitcher...don't comment and talk down on a prospect you don't know much about.

Darock :ugeek:

Easy now.... lol .

Yeah but Porcello came straight from High School did others you mentioned? And also Porcello was told not to use his curveball in his first season (Which is arguably his best pitch)

So yeah you can't compare Bum's and Porcello's numbers this year.... based on the things I just mentioned.

Shep :ugeek:

See again you don't much bumgarner i guess, since he too came from HS. that's why he's still in his teens.

ryanhoward ya i wouldn't disagree with your statement. now that i look back i would probably put holland and maybe feliz, but not a big fan of feliz and i don't think he'll be as good as holland or alderson.

same feeling with that phillies #1 pitching prospect. I haven't see him dominate to be the franchises best pitching prospect

 

[Jaypers]

Some interesting facts here:


Top 100 Prospects, Inside The Numbers

Stats on where the Top 100 come from

Staff Report
February 24, 2009


BY ORGANIZATION
7 Athletics, Rangers
6 Marlins
5 Braves, Rays
4 Orioles, White Sox, Indians, Brewers, Mets, Phillies, Giants, Mariners
3 Red Sox, Rockies, Royals, Twins, Yankees, Pirates, Cardinals, Blue Jays
2 Diamondbacks, Cubs, Reds, Angels, Dodgers
1 Tigers, Astros, Padres, Nationals

BY ORIGINAL ORGANIZATION
8 Braves
7 White Sox
5 Marlins, Brewers, Phillies, Mariners, Rays
4 Mets, Yankees, Giants, Rangers
3 Diamondbacks, Orioles, Red Sox, Rockies, Tigers, Dodgers, Twins, Cardinals, Blue Jays
2 Cubs, Reds, Indians, Royals, Angels, Athletics, Pirates
1 Astros, Padres, Nationals

BY NATION
75 United States
12 Venezuela
6 Dominican Republic
4 Canada
2 Cuba
1 Netherlands

BY WHERE THEY SIGNED FROM
44 High school draft picks
25 College draft picks
20 International amateur free agents
11 Junior college draft picks

BY DRAFT ROUND
36 First
9 Supplemental first
7 Second
5 Third
3 Fourth
2 Fifth, seventh, 11th, 14th, 22nd
1 Sixth, eighth, 10th, 12th, 15th, 18th, 20th, 25th, 33rd, 42nd

BY OPENING DAY AGE
31 22-year-olds
19 21-year-olds
13 19-year-olds, 20-year-olds, 23-year-olds
6 24-year-olds
2 17-year-olds, 18-year-olds
1 25-year-old

 

[darocker80]

Looks like Callis decided to basically throw out the 2008 season when ranking Rasmus. He's saying they ranked him so high because of what they think he can do at higher levels, not what he has done.

Q: JAYPERS from IL asks:
Very good list overall, kudos. However, I'm scratching my head as I see Rasmus at #3 overall. Let's recap - he struggled to bat over .200 for the first couple of months of the 2008 season, did finally improve, but after succombing to injury he put together what I wouldn't exactly call a mindblowing season, yet his ranking improved substantially since last year's Top 100. He's clearly the Cardinals' best prospect, and will have an excellent shot at making the team this season, but how do you justify his lofty ranking? Thanks.
A:

Jim Callis: He got off to a slow start as a 21-year-old in Triple-A, and I don't hold that against him. He was starting to hit as expected when he got hurt, and I still see him as a solid center fielder who's going to hit for power and average and draw a good amount of walks. His ranking also didn't improve substantially--he was No. 5 on last year's list and the four guys ahead of him all graduated from prospect status. I'll take him over any center field prospect in the game.

Hmm he'd pitch him over Heyward (unless he's a corner outfielder)

I do believe rasmus should still be int he top 10