BA's Oakland Athletics Top 10 Prospects List

[jbone17]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

 

[rico08]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

ahhahaha

 

[Wes]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

Please stop digging. The routine throw for a shortstop is further than that of a third baseman.

 

[jbone17]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

Please stop digging. The routine throw for a shortstop is further than that of a third baseman.

I admit that I was wrong, and I am not digging lol. :lol: SS does have a tougher range while lunging to either side.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Yay! I got a questions answered!

Adam Merkado (NYC): What can you tell me about Rashun Dixon and his ultimate ceiling? After watching his season, he seems to lack the plate discipline, but the athleticism is clearly there. Did he rank in the top 30?

Jim Shonerd: Dixon fell outside the 30, but was close. You're right about the athleticism, but he's still learning how to hit. He was simply overmatched against Northwest League competition. When they started throwing breaking balls away, he just couldn't recognize them or take them the other way. He's got tremendous raw power and all the physical tools though, but it might be another year or two before he really breaks out.

 

[Wes]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

Please stop digging. The routine throw for a shortstop is further than that of a third baseman.

I admit that I was wrong, and I am not digging lol. :lol: SS does have a tougher range while lunging to either side.

I meant digging yourself a hole

But the throw is longer for the shortstop - not just the need for greater range.

 

[braden]

Okay, I meant just by a routine throw, but whatever. SS has a tougher range to the backhand play obviously.

I don't think Cardenas has the range to hit 30 HRs. 15-17, sure. His range will also prevent him from drawing more than 100 BBs a year. He's got the range for 75-80, though.

Where his range is massively underrated is on the mound. If he ever becomes a pitcher, I think he has the range to K 150-175 a year.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

kudos to JP for getting the fcb web addy out there!

 

[darocker80]

no Kurt Suzuki in 2013?!

 

[NECpilgrims8]

kudos to JP for getting the fcb web addy out there!

:?:

 

[ru4scuba]

From today's ESPN SportsNation chat.


JAYPERS (Freedomcardboard.com)
Help settle an argument going on. Which infield position requires more range -- SS or 3B? Thanks, Jim.

Jim Callis (2:06 PM)
No question it's shortstop. How can someone argue otherwise?

And Jaypers for the win...

For the first time in a long time, I clicked the "thank post" for Jayper's post.

 

[ru4scuba]

no Kurt Suzuki in 2013?!

Yeah.... I don't think Stassi is going to unseat Suzuki by 2013. Although Kurt keeps getting better every year which means Beane is likely to trade him.

 

[sheetskout]

What a bunch of friggin' morons. The guy's obviously wrong but you all feel a need to be right so badly that you'll actually help him string this out. J.P....you're excluded because you actually went to a credible source and dropped it from there.



Chew on these:

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Looks as though Ynoa's lack of playing time pushed him off the list.



TOP TEN
PROSPECTS
1. Chris Carter, of/1b
2. Michael Taylor, of
3. Grant Green, ss
4. Max Stassi, c
5. Pedro Figueroa, lhp
6. Tyson Ross, rhp
7. Jemile Weeks, 2b
8. Grant Desme, of
9. Adrian Cardenas, inf
10. Sean Doolittle, of

BEST
TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Michael Taylor
Best Power Hitter Chris Carter
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Josh Horton
Fastest Baserunner Tyreace House
Best Athlete Rashun Dixon
Best Fastball Henry Rodriguez
Best Curveball Michael Ynoa
Best Slider Tyson Ross
Best Changeup James Simmons
Best Control Mickey Storey
Best Defensive Catcher Max Stassi
Best Defensive Infielder Grant Green
Best Infield Arm Gregorio Pettit
Best Defensive Outfielder Tyreace House
Best Outfield Arm Robin Rosario

PROJECTED 2013
LINEUP
Catcher Max Stassi
First Base Sean Doolittle
Second Base Jemile Weeks
Third Base Adrian Cardenas
Shortstop Grant Green
Left Field Michael Taylor
Center Field Rajai Davis
Right Field Grant Desme
Designated Hitter Chris Carter
No. 1 Starter Brett Anderson
No. 2 Starter Trevor Cahill
No. 3 Starter Pedro Figueroa
No. 4 Starter Tyson Ross
No. 5 Starter Vin Mazzaro
Closer Andrew Bailey

Really kinda confused with BA's ranking of Carter ahead of Taylor considering they project Carter as a DH & consider M.Taylor to be the best hitter for average...So they're basically discounting Taylor at #1 because Carter is projected to have more power (because Taylor is FAR & away better in the field & on the basepath's than Carter)? This ranking really goes against the way they normally do things & helps give credibility to my theory that BA has been down on Taylor simply because they mislabelled him from the get-go!

Also, the "Stanford Hitter Label" is no longer viable since M.Taylor worked with hitting coach's in AA & changed his approach & swing (which has proven to be successful since he was able to hang with Triple-A pitcher's, showing no lingering effect's from the previous problem's he was having with his stance & swing when it came to off-speed stuff in higher-level's...not to mention the Phil's opted to send Taylor to the Mexican Winter League to face pitcher's that were predominantly specialist's with off-speed stuff, & he passed with flying color's). Chris, you & I both know why your sour when it comes to M.Taylor! (I'm sure I had a hand in it back in the day's of the old BMB :lol: )...

 

[sheetskout]

Really kinda confused with BA's ranking of Carter ahead of Taylor considering they project Carter as a DH & consider M.Taylor to be the best hitter for average...So they're basically discounting Taylor at #1 because Carter is projected to have more power (because Taylor is FAR & away better in the field & on the basepath's than Carter)? This ranking really goes against the way they normally do things & helps give credibility to my theory that BA has been down on Taylor simply because they mislabelled him from the get-go!

I think you need to understand that this system is stacked more than the others. Twenty bucks that Badler, Manual, or whoever points this out in the podcast as well. Although I feel that Carter is the number one (and so does BP, Sickels, etc) it's more like 1 and 1a. It's not necessarily a knock on Taylor.

Carter did improve more than any other hitter in the minors last season as well.

 

[xcantgobackx]

What a bunch of friggin' morons. The guy's obviously wrong but you all feel a need to be right so badly that you'll actually help him string this out. J.P....you're excluded because you actually went to a credible source and dropped it from there.

I don't know if I'd put it that harsh, but the dogpiles on this board are sometimes very unnecessary.

 

[kentuckyderby]

Better future -- M Taylor or Freddie????

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Really kinda confused with BA's ranking of Carter ahead of Taylor considering they project Carter as a DH & consider M.Taylor to be the best hitter for average...So they're basically discounting Taylor at #1 because Carter is projected to have more power (because Taylor is FAR & away better in the field & on the basepath's than Carter)? This ranking really goes against the way they normally do things & helps give credibility to my theory that BA has been down on Taylor simply because they mislabelled him from the get-go!

I think you need to understand that this system is stacked more than the others. Twenty bucks that Badler, Manual, or whoever points this out in the podcast as well. Although I feel that Carter is the number one (and so does BP, Sickels, etc) it's more like 1 and 1a. It's not necessarily a knock on Taylor.

Carter did improve more than any other hitter in the minors last season as well.

What does it matter if this system is stacked or not(?) (I'm not saying that the #2 spot is not a great spot to be in for M.Taylor), Taylor deserves the #1 spot over Carter based on how these list's are usually evaluated. Yes I realize Carter improved last year & ironned out the kinks with his strikeout problem & plate discipline (though it did not carry over into Winter Ball), but Taylor is on-par with him in offensive categories in every aspect except HR's & that should'nt outweight the fact that M.Taylor obliterates Carter in term's of defense/position/& his ability on the base-path's....especially given that Taylor is not far off in term's of power!

Lets not overlook the fact that Carter player in the same Mexican Winter League as Taylor did this past winter (Carter was sent there by Oakland team official's for the same reason Philly sent Taylor, they wanted to see where Carter was at when facing off-speed specialist's. Although 17gms & 66 at-bat's is a small sample size (it still indeed gives a look into where thier abilities lie at this point in thier career's) & while Carter continued hitting for power (5 HR's) versus pre-dominantly off-speed pitching, he showed once again that strike-out's & his average are still hole's he needs to work on in his game (in 66 ab's 27K's & 9BB's, while hitting a bleek .212 avg.).... While in 19 gm's/65 ab's Taylor had only 17K's & 6BB's, which Taylor also sustained a .308 avg. (here's thier most recent line's from Winter League:

C.Carter- .212 avg/ 17 gm's/ 66 at-bat's/ 12 run's/ 14 hits/ 1 2B's/ 0 3B's/ 5 HR's/ 10 RBI's/ 30 TB/ 9 BB/ 27 K's/ 0 SB/ 0 CS/ .316 OBP/ .455 SLG/ .770 OPS

M.Taylor- .308 avg/ 19 gm's/ 65 at-bat's/ 5 run's/ 20 hits/ 4 2B's/ 0 3B's/ 1 HR's/ 11 RBI's/ 27 TB/ 6 BB/ 17 K's/ 3 SB's/ 1 CS/ .361 OBP/ .415 SLG/ .776 OPS

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Better future -- M Taylor or Freddie????

Big spoon for a king sized pot (stir baby, stir)! :lol:

Kderb, you know who I got!

 

[sheetskout]

C.Carter- .212 avg/ 17 gm's/ 66 at-bat's/ 12 run's/ 14 hits/ 1 2B's/ 0 3B's/ 5 HR's/ 10 RBI's/ 30 TB/ 9 BB/ 27 K's/ 0 SB/ 0 CS/ .316 OBP/ .455 SLG/ .770 OPS

M.Taylor- .308 avg/ 19 gm's/ 65 at-bat's/ 5 run's/ 20 hits/ 4 2B's/ 0 3B's/ 1 HR's/ 11 RBI's/ 27 TB/ 6 BB/ 17 K's/ 3 SB's/ 1 CS/ .361 OBP/ .415 SLG/ .776 OPS

Dude. You can't take a 65+ AB sample and draw a comparison. Plus....it's Winter Ball.