BGS 10 chrome auto or BGS 9.5 blue refr chrome auto?

[brouthercard]

For Longoria, which would you rather have as an investment? Why?

Current pop report shows 10 bgs 10 chrome autos and 23 bgs 9.5's blue refractor chrome autos.

 

[miguelcabrera]

for pc id rather have the blue even if it was an 8.5 then again i dont care about grades much
for investment, i still would probably rather have the blue. more potential for growth imo



although asking people what they would rather have for pc should also be similar to whats a better investment because the people who are saying what they would rather have in their pc are the ones who are probably going to be buying that investment from you

 

[piggy1918]

The blue 9.5 by far for me... though pristines are very volatile. I've seen them (other cards, not the Longo) sell for 1.2x a gem all the way up to 3x or 4x... I think the blue is not only the better investment but the safer one as well. Plus blues look so damn awesome!

 

[ThoseBackPages]

blue all the way.

there will always be a supply of base, and that means that there will be more and more 10's possibly as time goes on.

the blues are numbered and i think they are more susceptible to non-10ing

 

[ThoseBackPages]

btw, what did your red grade out at?

 

[brouthercard]

btw, what did your red grade out at?

I've never graded it. I've never even taken it out of the holder! :lol:

I think it has a really great shot at a 9.5, especially with their more lenient standards nowadays, so I might submit it in the future.

I think a 9.5 would be pretty sick.

Only one red has been graded, and it is a 9.

I really don't grade cards, especially for PC ones.

 

[brouthercard]

Anyone think the bgs 10 has lost it's aura?

It used to be IMPOSSIBLE to get one. Now 9.5's are the norm, and 10's are the old 9.5's....

 

[EricInCT]

Anyone think the bgs 10 has lost it's aura?

It used to be IMPOSSIBLE to get one. Now 9.5's are the norm, and 10's are the old 9.5's....

As a person who subs 100s a year, I completely disagree with this statement.

 

[brouthercard]

Anyone think the bgs 10 has lost it's aura?

It used to be IMPOSSIBLE to get one. Now 9.5's are the norm, and 10's are the old 9.5's....

As a person who subs 100s a year, I completely disagree with this statement.

What part of the statement do you have to disagree three times with and what's your stance?

 

[masonphillip]

Anyone think the bgs 10 has lost it's aura?

It used to be IMPOSSIBLE to get one. Now 9.5's are the norm, and 10's are the old 9.5's....

As a person who subs 100s a year, I completely disagree with this statement.

What part of the statement do you have to disagree three times with and what's your stance?

Over the past year, I'm going to guess I've subbed in the neighborhood of 1500 cards.

This includes, chrome base, every level of chrome refractor, autos, non-autos, sterling, sterling refs, elite, elite parallels, razor metal, razor army and a variety of other things, the sample size is not only large, it is also broad. I take a good look at my cards before I send them.

My guess is that I've hit roughly 50% 9.5s in total, maybe 60% for chrome base, 50% for chrome parallels, 65% for sterlings, 25% for elites.

Of those 1500 cards, I've gotten about 15 10s, 0 10s on elite or Razor, 10 10s on sterlings and 5 10s on chromes.

Has BGS gotten more lenient about giving out 9.5s and 10s, I do believe so. Is it 3 times more lenient like many make it out to be - no probably not. Is saying that 10s are the new 9.5s a true statement? Not even close, at no point in time has BGS ever graded out just 1% of cards (or even 3%) as 9.5s.

One last note - product has so much to do with it - for example in 2010 Bowman Chrome Blue Ref Autos grade out really well, lots of 9.5s and some 10s. In 2008 Chrome products I could not buy a 9.5 no matter how many blues I sent, just pulling these from the packs I notice better quality.

 

[brouthercard]

I'm talking about the late 90's when the grading craze was just beginning. Man, 9.5's were really, really tough. I know i'm exaggerating a bit about 9.5's being the new 10's, but it's not that far from the truth. My friends graded like crazy back in the day, and it was TOUGH to get a 9.5, maybe 1 in 20-50 cards, depending on the set.

Chrome has ALWAYS been easier to get 9.5's with.

So I will say, the majority of today's 9.5's would never have been 9.5's ten years ago, they would have been 8.5 and 9. Today's pristine 10's would have been 9.5's back in the day, and you NEVER saw a 10 ten years ago.

 

[daveyou]

i think people who submit now are far more self educated (better eye, cherry picking the good ones over bad ones, etc) than back in late 90s and early 00s...

ill tell you this. thank goodness bgs has all of my records of submission. my 1st sub was back in 2004.

12 card that i thought had a great shot at gemming....highest was a 9 and lowest being a 5.5. lol!!! with no 9.5

i dont think that the standards were much much harder than as much as how my raw grading eye had improved. had i looked at those 12 cards again before submission now 2010 instead of 2004 due to my experience, i'd probably not send them all but the ones that graded a 9...

throughout the years, you just have a better understanding and knowledge of what bgs's standards for the 4 subs are

oh, and blue gem all the way. base chrome 10's dont do anything for me. good for selling but i've never, nor will i ever, purchase a pristine. i like 9.5's just fine!

dave

 

[piggy1918]

I'm talking about the late 90's when the grading craze was just beginning. Man, 9.5's were really, really tough. I know i'm exaggerating a bit about 9.5's being the new 10's, but it's not that far from the truth. My friends graded like crazy back in the day, and it was TOUGH to get a 9.5, maybe 1 in 20-50 cards, depending on the set.

Chrome has ALWAYS been easier to get 9.5's with.

So I will say, the majority of today's 9.5's would never have been 9.5's ten years ago, they would have been 8.5 and 9. Today's pristine 10's would have been 9.5's back in the day, and you NEVER saw a 10 ten years ago.

You kind of answered yourself here.... the majority of cards in the 90's and early 00's were not Chrome, and most of the cards being graded were not. Nowadays, the majority of numbers being thrown around here are for Chrome cards. Hence, Chrome is easier to gem so it seems like they have gotten more lenient as time goes on. That's my view on it anyways. Good luck on that red whenever you send it in.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Try being a 9.0 collector in an age where "min grade 9.5" is the norm with 99.7% of submissions

 

[brouthercard]

I'm talking about the late 90's when the grading craze was just beginning. Man, 9.5's were really, really tough. I know i'm exaggerating a bit about 9.5's being the new 10's, but it's not that far from the truth. My friends graded like crazy back in the day, and it was TOUGH to get a 9.5, maybe 1 in 20-50 cards, depending on the set.

Chrome has ALWAYS been easier to get 9.5's with.

So I will say, the majority of today's 9.5's would never have been 9.5's ten years ago, they would have been 8.5 and 9. Today's pristine 10's would have been 9.5's back in the day, and you NEVER saw a 10 ten years ago.

You kind of answered yourself here.... the majority of cards in the 90's and early 00's were not Chrome, and most of the cards being graded were not. Nowadays, the majority of numbers being thrown around here are for Chrome cards. Hence, Chrome is easier to gem so it seems like they have gotten more lenient as time goes on. That's my view on it anyways. Good luck on that red whenever you send it in.

Let's just say a bgs 9.5 chrome card graded today would have received a bgs 9 grade ten years ago. That's what I mean.

To make my point even more clear, A BGS 9.5 chrome card from ten years ago would get a pristine grade today.

In my opinion, grading standards have slacked off signifcantly.

 

[bballcardkid]

ill tell you this. thank goodness bgs has all of my records of submission. my 1st sub was back in 2004.

12 card that i thought had a great shot at gemming....highest was a 9 and lowest being a 5.5. lol!!! with no 9.5

My first sub was in either 1999 or 2000. I sent in around 15 cards expecting some 9.5's. I hit 2 9's, a ton of 8.5's and 8's, and 2 7's. I didn't send another submission until this year. Now I'm hooked because it's so easy :lol: