Biogenesis founder testifying against players; A-Rod, Braun etc to be suspended

[nosterbor]

Cheater cheater pumpkin eater. Even the greats of the past 75 years ate pumpkin! Lets just get it over with and band baseball,and the HOF. A lot of the players in the hall used some sort of crap. They are mostly hypocrites and liars. If you don't believe so you are as delusional as they are.

 

[WaxPax]

Are you suggesting that perhaps he found something in Brady Anderson's old locker....

There are quite a few Orioles that are most likely on something, Chris Davis being on the top of that list.

 

[WaxPax]

For what it is worth.....from Roto:

Ryan Braun in not in the Brewers' lineup Wednesday.



No word yet on the reason for his absence, but Braun has been dealing with a thumb injury and is currently facing a possible suspension by MLB for his connection to Biogenesis. Logan Schafer is starting in left field Wednesday against the Athletics.

 

[markakis8]

There are quite a few Orioles that are most likely on something, Chris Davis being on the top of that list.

He chews Tuff Gum!

 

[jbhofmann]

Cheater cheater pumpkin eater. Even the greats of the past 75 years ate pumpkin! Lets just get it over with and band baseball,and the HOF. A lot of the players in the hall used some sort of crap. They are mostly hypocrites and liars. If you don't believe so you are as delusional as they are.

My biggest thing with Braun is that he is a liar.

 

[jcmint]

None of these guys have failed a drug test therefore nothing will result from these findings. It might as well been any drugs but if they are not coming up positive on a test its all for not. Id love to see these dummies get a ban especially Braun. Its just not gonna happen. The excuses will be epic and amusing but will not result in any punishment. You really have to be a moron to fail one of baseballs tests. If anyone believes players are not given a heads up when the testing is being done well then I have a really really nice bridge for sale.

 

[gmsieb]

None of these guys have failed a drug test therefore nothing will result from these findings. It might as well been any drugs but if they are not coming up positive on a test its all for not. Id love to see these dummies get a ban especially Braun. Its just not gonna happen. The excuses will be epic and amusing but will not result in any punishment. You really have to be a moron to fail one of baseballs tests. If anyone believes players are not given a heads up when the testing is being done well then I have a really really nice bridge for sale.

I've been looking to get into the bridge market, and you have always been an honest fellow. Where's the bridge?

 

[CatdaddysCards]

People keep questioning why the players would risk it. Ill tell you why. If I was Melky Cabrera I'd risk a suspension and a little disgrace for the $16,000,000 profit in between the two PED issues. The contracts are garuanteed, so why not? Once they have the contract, no one can take it from them.


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Need Moustakas, Hosmer and patches.

 

[elmalo]

None of these guys have failed a drug test therefore nothing will result from these findings. It might as well been any drugs but if they are not coming up positive on a test its all for not. Id love to see these dummies get a ban especially Braun. Its just not gonna happen. The excuses will be epic and amusing but will not result in any punishment. You really have to be a moron to fail one of baseballs tests. If anyone believes players are not given a heads up when the testing is being done well then I have a really really nice bridge for sale.

You dont have to know when the testing is. You just have to keep your levels under what the levels are to get flagged and retested. You can be on a cycle and keep your levels under what they flag a sample for. The testing is a rouse. The olympics are rife with peds, they hardly ever catch anyone and their testing is a hell of a lot more stringent.

 

[hive17]

Here's a question: if MLB goes for a suspension and doesn't get it, are they the losers in this whole thing? It's not like any of this is going to change anyone's perceptions of the central players named here. Really, it's a big risk for them. I mean, without a positive test in hand, or the players getting caught with the juice, I would think the word of a guy MLB has already trashed isn't going to be enough to hold up a suspension. At that point, Braun gets to give the MLB another big middle finger.

 

[gmsieb]

Here's a question: if MLB goes for a suspension and doesn't get it, are they the losers in this whole thing? It's not like any of this is going to change anyone's perceptions of the central players named here. Really, it's a big risk for them. I mean, without a positive test in hand, or the players getting caught with the juice, I would think the word of a guy MLB has already trashed isn't going to be enough to hold up a suspension. At that point, Braun gets to give the MLB another big middle finger.

In the mlb drug agreement now, from what I have read, they dont need a test. They just need proof they they bought or had ped sent to them, or met with people who deal them. To me, it looks like they have that.


Under the policy, all players are prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing, or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse and/or Steroid. Any and all drugs or substances listed under Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act are considered drugs of abuse covered by the Program. Players who require prescription medication can still use it with a "Therapeutic Use Exemption" granted by the MLB.

Baseball's Joint Drug Agreement [PDF] does allow the league to suspend suspected PED users based on "just cause." Five years ago, MLB suspended Braves outfielder Jordan Schafer for HGH use without a failed drug test. At the time, MLB spokesman Mike Teevan justified the suspension by saying, "We have non-analytic means of identifying players. He falls under that category."
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In the current case, MLB expects Bosch to verify the authenticity and accuracy of documents linking the named players to the use, possession, sale, and/or distribution of PEDs. OTL's report implies that Bosch's testimony could be enough to further or maybe even clinch the league's perceived attempt to issue multiple suspensions.


The mlbpa signed off on this. They need to be careful too. They will look like the bad guys, if people believe they are over protecting cheaters. They can't look like they dont care about cheating. That would upset fans and half the players, who probably dont cheat. This doesn't look like it wwill be that hard. And there are rumors of more people talking, not just bosch and other rumors about many more players. Sounds like this could be huge. Make balco look small time. I heard braun may not be the biggest player named.

 

[hive17]

In the mlb drug agreement now, from what I have read, they dont need a test. They just need proof they they bought or had ped sent to them, or met with people who deal them. To me, it looks like they have that.


Under the policy, all players are prohibited from using, possessing, selling, facilitating the sale of, distributing, or facilitating the distribution of any Drug of Abuse and/or Steroid. Any and all drugs or substances listed under Schedule II of the Controlled Substances Act are considered drugs of abuse covered by the Program. Players who require prescription medication can still use it with a "Therapeutic Use Exemption" granted by the MLB.

Baseball's Joint Drug Agreement [PDF] does allow the league to suspend suspected PED users based on "just cause." Five years ago, MLB suspended Braves outfielder Jordan Schafer for HGH use without a failed drug test. At the time, MLB spokesman Mike Teevan justified the suspension by saying, "We have non-analytic means of identifying players. He falls under that category."
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In the current case, MLB expects Bosch to verify the authenticity and accuracy of documents linking the named players to the use, possession, sale, and/or distribution of PEDs. OTL's report implies that Bosch's testimony could be enough to further or maybe even clinch the league's perceived attempt to issue multiple suspensions.


The mlbpa signed off on this. They need to be careful too. They will look like the bad guys, if people believe they are over protecting cheaters. They can't look like they dont care about cheating. That would upset fans and half the players, who probably dont cheat. This doesn't look like it wwill be that hard. And there are rumors of more people talking, not just bosch and other rumors about many more players. Sounds like this could be huge. Make balco look small time. I heard braun may not be the biggest player named.

My point was, I think it would take more than just Bosch's word to clinch anything. MLB went to lengths to trash him when they were going after the players in the court of public opinion. It seems like they did themselves a bit of a disservice if they want to use that same word to suspend players.

Now, like you said, if more people or more actual evidence comes out, that changes things. But if you look at this from the stand-point of YOU being accused, you'd want more evidence than the word of a guy who everyone says is a total POS.

 

[elmalo]

My point was, I think it would take more than just Bosch's word to clinch anything. MLB went to lengths to trash him when they were going after the players in the court of public opinion. It seems like they did themselves a bit of a disservice if they want to use that same word to suspend players.

Now, like you said, if more people or more actual evidence comes out, that changes things. But if you look at this from the stand-point of YOU being accused, you'd want more evidence than the word of a guy who everyone says is a total POS.

Perhaps they now have more than Boschs word. Maybe before they were trashing him as a PR move. Maybe now they have other evidence that shows that this is more serious.

 

[hive17]

Perhaps they now have more than Boschs word. Maybe before they were trashing him as a PR move. Maybe now they have other evidence that shows that this is more serious.

Maybe. It's the not knowing and the leaks that make this thing worse.

However, I tend to think that if they DID have more than Bosch's word, they'd lead with that. Bosch only bring credulity with him whenever he's associated with someone.

 

[George_Calfas]

My point was, I think it would take more than just Bosch's word to clinch anything. MLB went to lengths to trash him when they were going after the players in the court of public opinion. It seems like they did themselves a bit of a disservice if they want to use that same word to suspend players.

Now, like you said, if more people or more actual evidence comes out, that changes things. But if you look at this from the stand-point of YOU being accused, you'd want more evidence than the word of a guy who everyone says is a total POS.

Even a POS can tell the truth. He can be the largest scumbag in the world but if he has the facts the players are sunk.

 

[hive17]

Even a POS can tell the truth. He can be the largest scumbag in the world but if he has the facts the players are sunk.

Agreed. But "facts" aren't his word. "Facts" or evidence needs to be Braun or A-Rod signing an invoice receiving the stuff, or a failed drug test, or even a couple of different guys testifying that they saw Braun in the "clinic" or dropped stuff off to him.

Like I said: imagine if your entire livelihood hinged on the word of a guy that your very same prosecutors told you was one of the worst, most unscrupulous people. You'd want to see more than that.

 

[George_Calfas]

Agreed. But "facts" aren't his word. "Facts" or evidence needs to be Braun or A-Rod signing an invoice receiving the stuff, or a failed drug test, or even a couple of different guys testifying that they saw Braun in the "clinic" or dropped stuff off to him.

Like I said: imagine if your entire livelihood hinged on the word of a guy that your very same prosecutors told you was one of the worst, most unscrupulous people. You'd want to see more than that.

I don't disagree. The reports make it out as if there is testimony AND a paper trail. the facts live in the bank accounts, computer records, shop books coupled with the description of how to decipher the encrypted information.

We are all XXXXhouse lawyers so personally I am going to wait and see the outcome from the big boys.

 

[allstars]

Braun should fry for this.

 

[RStadlerASU22]

I have half listened to the reports so far, but when they talk about suspending players, I can't see how testimony, paper trails, invoices or anything other than a failed test would hold up. How can they be suspended even if they did purchase them, which is different that being caught using them. Anyone?

Ryan

 

[George_Calfas]

I have half listened to the reports so far, but when they talk about suspending players, I can't see how testimony, paper trails, invoices or anything other than a failed test would hold up. How can they be suspended even if they did purchase them, which is different that being caught using them. Anyone?

Ryan

Post #93 above has a snippet from the labor agreement.